Massimiliano Allegri targets Manchester United job
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There's not a chance Utd have offered him the job at this point .
They may go to him in the future if Ole goes on a disaster run but there is no way they have been offering anyone the post now
I don't think our defenders are good enough on the ball for his system to work well, which is something his philosophy relies a lot. The defenders and side backs spend a lot of time with the ball under Allegri, and I can easily see most of our defenders to break under pressure.
The good thing is that Pogba would be back to playing his best football again under him, but players who are poor on offball contribution would be shown the bench or worst.
Pogba will already be gone by the time we have a new manager.
Unfortunately. People fail to realize how sub-par we are simply because overall everyone is underachieving. Last season at this point we had 44 points. That's a 14 points difference!
And the scary thing is that we considered last season a write off. A blip so to speak before we are back to where we belong.
And yet this year we are even worse, and the fans think we have "improved" and are still buying this whole "this season is a write off, we need another year" bs.
I mean we lined up our replacement managers before sacking the last 3 managers so i don't see why it would be any different now.
If they've decided Ole is going in the summer (or sooner) they'll be doing the groundwork now.
38, and you were overachieving, too(better results than performances). This season you've been underachieving on the other hand
We were 38 at round 17 last season, if I'm not mistaken. 44 at round 21. Could be wrong, though.
Agree. There's never been the slightest hint anywhere that Ole's position was being considered. This just seems like Allegri saving face after his overtures came to naught.
You can look at it another way in that the lesser sides have been stronger this season.
At this point last season
1. Liverpool are +1 point
2. Leicester + 14 but 3 points behind last seasons 3rd placed team and 8 points behind 2nd
3. City -9 points
4. Chelsea -11 points
5. United -10 points
6. Spurs -18 points
I doubt we are going for him. It’s either Poch or no one else which means we are stuck with Ole. Choosing Poch over Allegri is the correct decision anyway i feel
Week 17 was Liverpool game. Mourinho's last. You had 26 points
You refer to United in the first person so what's your real club?
Let me guess: Académica the local team, Benfica in the league and United in Europe?
It's gone from he's desperate for the job to rejecting it. Sure.
Allegri would be a disaster. He'd try really hard for 1 year, then like all Italian managers, he would down tools in his second season until we paid him 20 million to split. Then he'd retire where he's most happy, in charge of AC Milan or Napoli, with an extra 20 million in his bank for 1 years work
Would prefer someone who is more of a tactically radial/advanced than Allegri. We are at a very different stage than Juventus. We don't need a little reorganisation/refinment. We need someone who can genuinely redefine how we play.
Interesting to see how Allegri is bad rated
2 ucl finals
1 seria a title with ac milan (yes ac milan)
Tons of titles with Juve
2 ucl finals
1 seria a title with ac milan (yes ac milan)
Tons of titles with Juve
Agreed. Very few of those about.
Quoting myself because I still strongly hold this view.
Ive no problem with Allegri, I just don't think he is the manager that we need at this moment time.
He’s a top manager madness that people wouldn’t take him when we have Ole in charge
You refer to United in the first person so what's your real club?
Let me guess: Académica the local team, Benfica in the league and United in Europe?
Ehehe, you are correct. I pretty much support a team for each league I watched since I was a kid. In the old days where thePortuguese League was at RTP 1 (I think SIC bought the transmission rights for a couple of seasons too), the Premier League was at RTP 2, the Brasileirão, Serie A and La Liga at TVI first year of existence. Good old days when football was accessible to everyone.
I also don't get how anyone may think that a top italian manager isn't tactically savvy, that he is just good at making small tweaks.
if only... if only. best bet of anyone out there who is truly available. but we won't want him until it's too late
If our players are so weak mentally and technically then it's a good thing we get rid of. Having bad players is not going to help any Manager
I don't bother anymore. The other day someone posted on this very forum that he would prefer Solskjaer over Klopp and Guardiola because the club needs a "structural rebuild". Madness doesn't even begin to describe it.
i think it's a given Allegri would be a better choice than Ole. the question is whether there's someone else who is a better choice than both.
Problem is: can you really get better options at the market that will have immediate impact at the club? We have to eventually pick our battles on the squad engineering, no team can cover all issues.
The club does need a structural rebuild.
Getting behind Ole, specifically, based on that alone is dubious at best, though (obviously).
This doesn't add up.
+4 points sorry, possibly 7 as you have a game in hand at the moment.
edit actually got a few wrong! Its
Liverpool +4(7)
City -3(0)
Chelsea -8
United - 7
Spurs -18
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Ole IS on a disastrous run. He's won something like 27% or 29% of his games since being named permanent manager. That is disastrous by any definition of the word. The fact that so many people on the Cafe refuse to acknowledge this is even more troubling.
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By saying dubious you mean either a WUM or an opposition fan taking the piss? If that's the case, it crossed my mind. On the other hand, despite it being an extreme version, it's still a view that resonates with more than a few posters on here.
And i agree that we need changes from top to bottom. I put the structural rebuild within quotes not because i find the notion silly but because we have appointed a manager in Solskjaer (not a DoF or a member of the board) and there are so many people who want to hold him accountable for basically... nothing that has to do with the manager's job: Tactics, gameplan, in-game management etc. Apparently, we should all wait and see what will happen in three years time. I've already said (about a month ago) how much i enjoy reading your posts and i know where you stand on the matter. It just scares me that in such a competitive business we (from Ed to the fans) are willing to write off whole seasons with the hope that we will somehow get it right in the near future.
When Klopp admitted that they were thinking about sacking him at the end of his first year, and he asked for patience and, allegedly, to have one more year as a cushion (which he didn't need in the end because he got top-four), he had his CV to speak for him. We're (not you but many posters) just dismissing astute tacticians with the hope that a - not so good tactically (i'm not suggesting that he's clueless) - manager will be able to assemble some of the best talents to play for him. Then another manager will come to sweep all the trophies. Call me a pessimist but I don't think it's going to happen. We may see it that way but most of our primary targets will not. They want to play for managers who actually... manage a team on the pitch and give proof that they can take it places.
It is madness to me that arguably 2 of the top 5 managers in world football were available and we end up with a manager who isn't in the top 100. All Woodward had to do was stick to the original plan and have Ole see out the season as caretaker manager, do due diligence, conduct a search and interviews and then reassess. But no, we get the PSG result (in which, less be honest, we had our asses handed to us in chances and possession and quality), he jumps the gun, shoots his wad so to speak, hires Ole on the spot as permanent manager and here we are.
Yes of course you can get better options in the market. We need a good management system for that. Take pool's case. They didn't invest big money for all their players. They had a good coach and a good system to identify targets. Apart from VVD ( who immediately transformed their defense) all other signings have been quite under the radar and not so heavy on the cost either. Their midfield of Henderson and Milner is better than our midfield that speaks volume!
Ed wants to swing his you know what and proclaim to the world he wants to buy players, constant leaks, incompetent negotiations time and again. Of course there will never be value in the market!
I think Ole would have got the job in any case. It wasn't like we were expected to beat them.