Fair post.Makes sense from a high level view, but the closer one gets, the more one can kind of distinguish between different kinds of adoration given to certain celebrities by the public in general. There are a couple of reasons why Kobe is getting a certain level of reaction from the sporting world in general.
I've always been more interested in rehabilitation than punishment. I'm not the alleged victim but even if I was, my desire for revenge should be subsidiary to the need for society to 1. protect it's citizens and 2. rehabilitate offenders and make them productive and positive members of society again. Even if he did it, it's the growth since then that's factored into why for many people, it's a chapter in his life, not his entire life. Unlike OJ.
The attempted suicides in combination with the schizophrenia pills would no doubt be brought up by defense to question her state of mind, yeah. I'm not saying it should play a role but it would definitely be brought up.
I was mistaken apparently, but defense would have a field day with these kind of things imo. If you add up all separate bits, I think they would've planted sufficient reasonable doubt but that's just my two cents. I'm in civil/tax law and we do things very different over here than in the USA from a criminal perspective anyway.
Even if he did it, it's the growth since then that's factored into why for many people, it's a chapter in his life, not his entire life. Unlike OJ.
Hang on - we have no clue but it could as easily be that when he strangled her in 'strangle sex' - his own words, that she decided not to continue.Off the top of my head - she was taking schizophrenia pills at the time, had suicidal issues and had sex less than 24 hours after (or before, not sure) the incident.
Not saying the case wasn't bought off, but all of the above would be heavily focused on by the defense if the case had gone to trial.
Not trying to wum, or upset people. The reason I summarised it with the word rape is because some people will read his statement and not fully understand what it is he is saying. @Raoul made the point that he is speaking in legal terms and that's true. I didn't spin what he said though, just summarised it.
Kobe Bryant "Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter. "
I didn't spin anything. That's him in his own words saying he understands why the victim feels she was raped. Do you disagree?
This is how this subject should be discussed, and I agree 100% with the statement above. Surely people can see the difference between "If he did do it, justice wasn't served" and "Kobe is a rapist and got away with it."If he did do it, justice wasn't served, no matter how much he grew as a person. $6.5 million is nothing for someone in his position. If he did do it, it would be hard to claim that he was rehabilitated based of off his legalese 'apology'
First of all, I'd really appreciate it if you dropped the smearing allegations as I was merely pointing out to another poster which arguments the defense would bring forward, and I'd already stated I was wrong about the 24 hours thing before you came in here.And stop with the she had sex less than 24 hours after. It's been stated on this thread that traces of other semen were found on her underwear, explained as her grabbing a pair from the wrong pile of laundry by mistake. It is almost easy to see the fans smearing her at the time when you are still doing it.
I apologise if I misunderstood that you were explaining what the defence would bring forward.First of all, I'd really appreciate it if you dropped the smearing allegations as I was merely pointing out to another poster which arguments the defense would bring forward, and I'd already stated I was wrong about the 24 hours thing before you came in here.
You are clearly still missing the crux of my point based on what you're saying. You're taking her explanation as the facts and how it went down, while that's not what would've brought forward by Bryant's defense, nor would it be the legal reality. Yet you seem to state it as a simple fact, just because you believe her version (which is your good right, I'm not saying it's made up but it is just what it is: her own explanation). The defense would absolutely rip that story to pieces. So don't come in here and lecture me while you yourself are stating simple statements by the accuser as facts.
Nah, not at all.I apologise if I misunderstood that you were explaining what the defence would bring forward.
No, I'm not taking her explanation as facts, as I said, the semen was found on her underwear, a fact. I also said 'explained as her grabbing a pair', so, not stated as a fact.
The defence can attempt to rip the stories to pieces but a jury would see the prosecution have the opportunity to put the other side. Please don't lecture me when you are just as capable of misunderstanding what the post said as I can be. Wow, do you need to calm down a touch or what?
Yeah, in his own defence he originally denied being with her, he also explained how he strangled her. Yeah, the prosecution are going to have it all their own way. Still, never got that far. But hey, he must be pure as the driven snow.Nah, not at all.
Prosecution would have sufficient evidence available to reason the other way yes.
Never said that.Yeah, in his own defence he originally denied being with her, he also explained how he strangled her. Yeah, the prosecution are going to have it all their own way. Still, never got that far. But hey, he must be pure as the driven snow.
I made my mind up that some people shouldn't just attempt to whitewash the history of the case and have certainly countered some of the so called facts and slurring that's taken place. So you might be wrong there and it could feel that way. I definitely don't like the playground tactics some posters employ.Never said that.
Going by your posts it just seems like you read up on the case, made up your mind on what went down and are now looking at all things through a tunnel vision (i.e. from the accuser's perspective) to fit that narrative.
Might be you're doing it unintentionally, might be I'm wrong, but it certainly feels that way.
Regarding the second part I think he had probably a lot of sensible and calm people around him. Two of the things that I think could be relevant to getting the case settled was his signing afterwards of a $136m 7 year contract and getting all his sponsors back.You can view him paying her as an admission of guilt, or you can view it as a relatively uneducated athlete who panicked and thought it was the best way out of the situation.
She stated the kissing was consensual.Having had a read through all the facts of the case and the accusations which couldn’t be proven for sure, it’s probably pretty safe to say that had this gone to trial Kobe Bryant would not have been going to prison, and you’d still have the same narrative, that Bryant’s more experienced and costly lawyers would have brought enough reasonable doubt about this girls story to have the case thrown out, and people would be saying he paid his way out of it.
You can view him paying her as an admission of guilt, or you can view it as a relatively uneducated athlete who panicked and thought it was the best way out of the situation. He probably DID think it was consensual at the time and then viewing it through her perspective, saw that he was way more willing than her and may have gone overboard.
there is absolutely no way that this girl did not consent to some of the intimacy between them. It’s naive to think otherwise. There are a lot of similarities between this story and Ronaldo/mayorga.
The paying also made sure that the story was forever dead from then on. It didn't go away, but it ensured that there was pretty much no chance of any new information ever being added to it since she is also probably limited from selling her story to papers, magazines, books, etc, which in turn minimized headlines in the following years.Regarding the second part I think he had probably a lot of sensible and calm people around him. Two of the things that I think could be relevant to getting the case settled was his signing afterwards of a $136m 7 year contract and getting all his sponsors back.
there is absolutely no way that this girl did not consent to some of the intimacy between them.
The paying also made sure that the story was forever dead from then on. It didn't go away, but it ensured that there was pretty much no chance of any new information ever being added to it since she is also probably limited from selling her story to papers, magazines, books, etc, which in turn minimized headlines in the following crash.
I have no actual PR expertise, but that does seem like a big deal when examining the career and image of Kobe. It seems very well worth it for him to have paid and write whatever she wanted him to in a public statement, short of explicitly admitting to a crime.
jesus christ just shut up
just shut up
you’re a 19 year old girl and one of the most famous NBA players in the world is making a move on you. You think that her level of consent stopped at the kiss? Don’t be so naive.
Wow so every single 19 year girl on the planet would consent being fecked by Ronaldo just because? C'mon man.
I didn’t say that. I said that there’s no way the consent would have stopped at a kiss.
Why not? It doesn't make any sense. It's perfectly reasonable to kiss/be kissed but once you start being groped you want to stop. We've all been there, why would this particular girl be different? Because he's Kobe? I don't buy it.
ESPN the largest sports network covering the NBA in America make mention of it in their 5 minute long ‘Life & Legacy of Kobe Bryant’ piece that’s still up on the ESPN NBA front page.Absolutely. There was little interest in the issue after the matter was settled in civil court, which is why there have been next to no references about the incident following last weekend’s crash.
if you were 19, working at a hotel and A celebrity female asked for a tour and then you ended up in a room with her and she started kissing you, would you stop?
I’m assuming you’re a straight male here, so if I’m wrong I apologize.
Makes sense from a high level view, but the closer one gets, the more one can kind of distinguish between different kinds of adoration given to certain celebrities by the public in general. There are a couple of reasons why Kobe is getting a certain level of reaction from the sporting world in general.
I've always been more interested in rehabilitation than punishment. I'm not the alleged victim but even if I was, my desire for revenge should be subsidiary to the need for society to 1. protect it's citizens and 2. rehabilitate offenders and make them productive and positive members of society again. Even if he did it, it's the growth since then that's factored into why for many people, it's a chapter in his life, not his entire life. Unlike OJ.
He got off because the case was weak. The woman was on anti psychotic drugs for schizophrenia, another man's semen and a white man's follicles were found inside her underwear. she claimed she accidentally put on some dirty underwear.whether she invited the initial sexual interaction or not is irrelevant. she can remove consent at any point. given that she ended up bruised via choking, torn, and went straight to the police to file a report, there is no indication whatsoever that she consented to the entirety of the sexual act.
he got out of it because he's rich and could afford to essentially pay her off. what a world.
ESPN the largest sports network covering the NBA in America make mention of it in their 5 minute long ‘Life & Legacy of Kobe Bryant’ piece that’s still up on the ESPN NBA front page.
The many NBA podcasts I listen to daily/weekly have made reference to it. [Im listening to Bill Simmons & JA Adande discuss it now]. Romona Shelbourne whose known as the closest journalist to him has mentioned it on multiple podcasts & questioned him about it in his retirement piece. Rachel Nichols has also mentioned it multiple times. Zach Lowe went into detail about how before meeting with Kobe to watch an Eastern Conference Final game some years ago he had reservations because of the accusations.
Sorry but you’re wrong here. I consume NBA media for about 2+ hours a day; Colorado is actually part of his career narrative - it’s difficult to gloss over.
The whole story needs to be told but why does it need to be an immediate byline in a story regards his death? A lady on Daily Blast Live put it much better than I have but there’s a time & a place to tell his whole story & hours after his death in a breaking news story isn’t it.
There was an issue with the way the New York Post made no mention when they were running a timeline of the day; “Kobe has died”, “plane descended quickly” etc. so it definitely isn’t something people have forgotten.
The issue is people are suddenly interested when a week ago they’d have mistook Kobe for Lebron ala BBC. This story isn’t new/hidden & never has been.
Having had a read through all the facts of the case and the accusations which couldn’t be proven for sure, it’s probably pretty safe to say that had this gone to trial Kobe Bryant would not have been going to prison, and you’d still have the same narrative, that Bryant’s more experienced and costly lawyers would have brought enough reasonable doubt about this girls story to have the case thrown out, and people would be saying he paid his way out of it.
You can view him paying her as an admission of guilt, or you can view it as a relatively uneducated athlete who panicked and thought it was the best way out of the situation. He probably DID think it was consensual at the time and then viewing it through her perspective, saw that he was way more willing than her and may have gone overboard.
there is absolutely no way that this girl did not consent to some of the intimacy between them. It’s naive to think otherwise. There are a lot of similarities between this story and Ronaldo/mayorga.
He is correct in some ways though. Just because you cannot handle it. It was a weak case and it was thrown out yet somehow he is still guilty. whats the point in innocent until proven guilty or even having a judicial system if members of the public who werent even there are gonna decide the verdict?jesus christ just shut up
I refer you again to Gillian Sheldon.Typically as an afterthought. Its nowhere near the primary narrative about his life.
if you were 19, working at a hotel and A celebrity female asked for a tour and then you ended up in a room with her and she started kissing you, would you stop?
I’m assuming you’re a straight male here, so if I’m wrong I apologize.
I refer you again to Gillian Sheldon.
If after all his life’s work people honestly think he should be defined by his lowest moment upon something he was never found guilty of then so be it.
Fact remains, your statement is simply untrue. The same outlets I read, watch & listened to last week in regards the NBA have all mentioned it this week.
Typically as an afterthought![]()
Ramona Shelbourne has litterally gone into it on multiple podcasts but call it an afterthought because you’ve not heard/seen it because you actually don’t care.
I could feel off more names/shows but your minds made up with no actual basis in fact.
Having had a read through all the facts of the case and the accusations which couldn’t be proven for sure, it’s probably pretty safe to say that had this gone to trial Kobe Bryant would not have been going to prison, and you’d still have the same narrative, that Bryant’s more experienced and costly lawyers would have brought enough reasonable doubt about this girls story to have the case thrown out, and people would be saying he paid his way out of it.
You can view him paying her as an admission of guilt, or you can view it as a relatively uneducated athlete who panicked and thought it was the best way out of the situation. He probably DID think it was consensual at the time and then viewing it through her perspective, saw that he was way more willing than her and may have gone overboard.
there is absolutely no way that this girl did not consent to some of the intimacy between them. It’s naive to think otherwise. There are a lot of similarities between this story and Ronaldo/mayorga.
The mainstream media here are having trouble differentiating Kobe & Lebron; no wonder the case is at the back of their coverage.Its not the primary narrative on TV here. The mainstream media who people actually watch are looking back at Kobe the basketball player and Kobe the dad, with occasionally afterthought references to the case. There's simply no appetite for it at the moment.
Its very possible there was some degree of consent, but that of course wouldn't negate a removal of consent half way through the process. We will never know what happened, which is why Bryant's reputation was quickly rebuilt and the sponsorship deals returned after the civil case was settled.
This./I think when you talk about his legacy and people believing this tarnishes it, you have to consider what the outcome of a criminal trial would have been. Based on everything we know, there’s no way there’s enough for conviction. Yet we have people remembering him as a rapist. It’s wrong.
I think when you talk about his legacy and people believing this tarnishes it, you have to consider what the outcome of a criminal trial would have been. Based on everything we know, there’s no way there’s enough for conviction. Yet we have people remembering him as a rapist. It’s wrong.
People will believe what they want to believe I guess and "feck the courts" and all that. They have decided based off their own private investigations which never happenedThis./
I think when you talk about his legacy and people believing this tarnishes it, you have to consider what the outcome of a criminal trial would have been. Based on everything we know, there’s no way there’s enough for conviction. Yet we have people remembering him as a rapist. It’s wrong.