Frank Lampard's Sack Watch / Sacked

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duffer said:
We're nowhere near Liverpool or Man City. We could probably be 3rd instead of 4th. Not a big difference.

We lost Eden Hazard and replaced him with Pulisic who has missed most of the season through injury. We have a promising kid in CHO who has missed most of the season through injury. Loftus-Cheek has missed the entire season so far. The best player in our squad (Kante) has missed more than half the season through injury. Have we suffered the most through injury? No. Have we lost key players for long periods? Yes.

Could he have done a bit better? Sure. Much better? No chance.

Also Kepa and Willy. You lot have 3 goalies better than our 2!
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The GK situation is definitely an issue, but there is a very expensive keeper there, that looks awful under Frank.

Still though...

Azpi, James, Christiansen, Tomari, Rudiger, Alonso, Emerson, Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Willian, Pedro, Odoi, Pulisic, Abraham, Giroud, Bats

I haven’t even counted average options like Mount, Barkley, Zouma or RLC because he hasn’t pl

That’s an awful lot of good players and easily the third best squad in the league. It won’t have been a good season if he finishes outside the top 4.
 
To say that Chelsea have a better first 11 than United is just pure nonsense in my opinion. I would say that 2 chelsea players get in to United first.

De Gea
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw
Pogba - Kante - Bruno—
Rashford - Abraham - Martial

Im sure you Chelsea fans cant be deluded think otherwise.. would you?

Also, United - Chelsea played 3 or 4(?) times this season and its 8-1 in goal difference to United. 2 of the games at the Bridge. Without our best players in Pogba and Rashford.
 
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Liked his honesty after the game. Calls it as it is and doesn't come out with a load of bollocks
 
arthurka said:
Kepa wouldn't but Azpi and Christiansen would.. Tammy would also start so we could move James to the bench. But my point stands the squad that Frank has is better balanced and has more depth. Plus this midfield has some cracking qualities.
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This post is mental. Martial has has many goals over the last week as Tammy has had over the last 14 games and he starts in a combined 11? Azpi a RB as if its 2017?
 
Knux said:
To say that Chelsea have a better first 11 than United is just pure nonsense in my opinion. I would say that 2 chelsea players get in to United first.

De Gea
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw
Pogba - Kante - Bruno—
Abraham - Rashford - Martial

Im sure you Chelsea fans cant be deluded think otherwise.. would you?
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It's United fans in this thread saying Chelsea are better, not Chelsea fans.

Also, Abraham on the right wing? Huh?
 
adexkola said:
Fans' expectations are nutty

It's like you have to be a miracle worker in order to be rated as a manager. He's not exceeding expectation but for the amount of injuries and the quality of the squad, he's doing good
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I don’t agree at all. He has lost nine games in the premier league. I don’t think it’s miraculous to have not lost 9 games by the end of February with a very well stocked squad.

He always has someone to come in for injured players and has loads of options in how he sets up the team. I don’t think he is doing terribly under the circumstances, but he isn’t doing well.
 
adexkola said:
Fans' expectations are nutty

It's like you have to be a miracle worker in order to be rated as a manager. He's not exceeding expectation but for the amount of injuries and the quality of the squad, he's doing good
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Dont think our winning run helped.

People started talking about dark horses for the title (it was never a realistic possibility) and from that moment on I was worried. Although I didn't expect us to have such a bad run since fan expectation was getting too high.

We have one world class player in Kovacic (Kante has either declined or doesn't fit a progressive system) and lost our one genuine game changer, we could have Fergie and prime Jose working together in perfect harmony and they wouldn't be any higher than 3rd.
 
Knux said:
Also, United - Chelsea played 3 or 4(?) times this season and its 8-1 in goal difference to United. 2 of the games at the Bridge.
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As annoyingly impressive as your recent record against us is, it means the square route of feck all unless you finish above us.
 
cyberman said:
AWB has had great games v top players to be fair. Bit early to be throwing this about
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He's great defensively but his lack of offensive prowess will always hold him back from being considered one of the world's best, Azpi had the same problem and couldn't sniff regular Spain appearances because of it.

Reece is a well balanced fullback who's good defensively and excellent going forward, that will always win out in the modern day.
 
Dancfc said:
He's great defensively but his lack of offensive prowess will always hold him back from being considered one of the world's best, Azpi had the same problem and couldn't sniff regular Spain appearances because of it.

Reece is a well balanced fullback who's good defensively and excellent going forward, that will always win out in the modern day.
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But we dont know what James is. I like him as a player but he hadnt played enough.
I understand the broader AWB point but he has enough performances under his belt that a young FB , who has the same amount of assists as each other by the way, doesnt jump ahead just because. Look at AWB superman effort away v a better City side compated to tonight, everything came down your right side.
Reece isnt so far ahead attacking wise that it negates the defending side of things. AWB could be the best defensive FB in tbe game while Reece doesnt seem to use hus phydical attributes for actual defending. He hadnt shown us that he can go both ways yet, he got rimmed tonight.
 
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Knux said:
To say that Chelsea have a better first 11 than United is just pure nonsense in my opinion. I would say that 2 chelsea players get in to United first.

De Gea
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw
Pogba - Kante - Bruno—
Rashford - Abraham - Martial

Im sure you Chelsea fans cant be deluded think otherwise.. would you?

Also, United - Chelsea played 3 or 4(?) times this season and its 8-1 in goal difference to United. 2 of the games at the Bridge. Without our best players in Pogba and Rashford.
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You are being kind putting Abraham in that team he is bang average
 
Dancfc said:
He's great defensively but his lack of offensive prowess will always hold him back from being considered one of the world's best, Azpi had the same problem and couldn't sniff regular Spain appearances because of it.

Reece is a well balanced fullback who's good defensively and excellent going forward, that will always win out in the modern day.
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And yet they both have the same number of assists this season. And Reece James just got absolutely schooled less than an hour ago. AWB has been one of our most consistent performers all season.
 
Knux said:
To say that Chelsea have a better first 11 than United is just pure nonsense in my opinion. I would say that 2 chelsea players get in to United first.

De Gea
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw
Pogba - Kante - Bruno—
Rashford - Abraham - Martial

Im sure you Chelsea fans cant be deluded think otherwise.. would you?

Also, United - Chelsea played 3 or 4(?) times this season and its 8-1 in goal difference to United. 2 of the games at the Bridge. Without our best players in Pogba and Rashford.
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Bruno has done nothing to get ahead of Kante or Jorginho.
Pogba,Jorginho and Kante/Kovac would be the options for midfield. Maguire,Rudiger ,Azpi and AWB would be the defence. Rashford,Martial and Pulisic would complete the forward lineup
 
bond19821982 said:
Bruno has done nothing to get ahead of Kante or Jorginho.
Pogba,Jorginho and Kante/Kovac would be the options for midfield. Maguire,Rudiger ,Azpi and AWB would be the defence. Rashford,Martial and Pulisic would complete the forward lineup
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What has Kante done in the attacking role to get in ahead of Bruno? Kante hasnt been Kante for 18 months now. Its weird how his reputation never drops on here.
Pulisic cant even get in the Chelsea side alone! Bit of a double standard to disallow Bruno due to lack of evidence and then throw in Pulisic.
I mean you have Jorginho in here... The man who is bullied every single week
 
bond19821982 said:
Bruno has done nothing to get ahead of Kante or Jorginho.
Pogba,Jorginho and Kante/Kovac would be the options for midfield. Maguire,Rudiger ,Azpi and AWB would be the defence. Rashford,Martial and Pulisic would complete the forward lineup
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Its laughable that you throw in 2 defenders in that lineup when you have one of the worst defences in Europe right now.
Whilst United have second most clean sheets in Europe as we speak, (17, in 43 matches). Only PSG have more (22) and Liverpool have also (17).

Bruno has Done more in 2 games in terms of goals/assist/chances created than Kante and Jorghinho has Done all season. I mean 4 goals in 26 games is just not Good enough to be in the best 11.

And Pulisic? 16 games for Chelsea as we speak.. lets not even go there.
 
duffer said:
It's United fans in this thread saying Chelsea are better, not Chelsea fans.
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blue blue said:
I know this could appear biased but I think quality wise it's difficult to put any Utd player in the CFC team other than De Gea. Chelsea also have a bit more depth in the squad but they definitely lack experience and this is where things could go awry as the season progresses.
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Theafonis said:
I’d take AWB and Martial into the starting line up.
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Dancfc said:
I agree with Pogba and (in form) Martial but I disagree about Maguire. I rate him as a player but I feel he lacks the recovery pace that is crucial in our system.
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SirReginald said:
In this moment, disregarding future ability, it would be:

De gea
Azpi Rudiger Maguire Alonso
Kante Jorginho
Willian Pogba Hudson Odoi
Abraham

Bench: kepa, AWB, Tomori, RLC, Kovacic, Rashford, Martial
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Andersonson said:
Bang average but more goals than our striker. Martial average too?

Kante and rudiger would easy get in the first 11. Unsure about Reece yet
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He's bang average. Credit for him to score good amount of goals this season but I just don't rate him. May be that's just my personal opinion that I don't rate a top striker based on goals only but based on everything. To me Abraham is easily bullied by top or good defenders, not very good in holding the ball to bring his team mate into play & limited to be a top striker.

Martial > Abraham as striker to me. Offer more & more talented.

Ironically, this might be a controversy but I actually like Calvert Lewin more than Abraham. Lewin might score less goal and previously show less talent but when I watched him, he can give defenders lot of problem and very aggressive.
 
Andersonson said:
Bang average but more goals than our striker. Martial average too?

Kante and rudiger would easy get in the first 11. Unsure about Reece yet
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Same amount of goals as our striker and less and Rashford . Rudiger ? Haha go do one
 
Hammered. They really don't have a defence. Yet Chelsea fans want to spend obscene amounts on their attack.

At the same time Lampard should also be ensuring he can set them up solidly. He doesn't seem to know what to do with teams that counter attack rapidly.
 
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Why are we watching Lampard's sack?
 
Lampard impressed early on with his coaching. But really, he's lucky he's had the competition he's had for top 4. We've had one of our worst season and are 3 points behind, which shows the standard of the top 4 clash this year.
 
duffer said:
We're nowhere near Liverpool or Man City. We could probably be 3rd instead of 4th. Not a big difference.

We lost Eden Hazard and replaced him with Pulisic who has missed most of the season through injury. We have a promising kid in CHO who has missed most of the season through injury. Loftus-Cheek has missed the entire season so far. The best player in our squad (Kante) has missed more than half the season through injury. Have we suffered the most through injury? No. Have we lost key players for long periods? Yes.

Could he have done a bit better? Sure. Much better? No chance.

Also Kepa and Willy. You lot have 3 goalies better than our 2!
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This is a fair comment. I hope Lampard gets time. He bleeds Chelsea. But he needs time to ground himself as manager.

I don't think he's underperforming this season. Chelsea's squad needs a big injection, to be fair.
 
Dancfc said:
He's great defensively but his lack of offensive prowess will always hold him back from being considered one of the world's best, Azpi had the same problem and couldn't sniff regular Spain appearances because of it.

Reece is a well balanced fullback who's good defensively and excellent going forward, that will always win out in the modern day.
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AWB may be held back (as of now) from being one of the world's best but Reece is some way off the league's best. He's got much to work on defensively and physically whereas AwB is a defensive beast, who has the physical traits of a top full back and solid ball control. Of course I'd like our man to be better in terms of his delivery but he's far better at everything else and deserves to be ahead in any hypothetical pecking order.

And to be honest I just don't rate Chelsea's back 5 to be honest. Reece has potential but as things stand I'd probably take our entire back 5 over yours possibly with Rudiger ahead of Lindelof. But then there's Smalling who I'd possibly prefer as well. It's only midfield where I think Chelsea are stronger but a fit Pogba and Fernandes would even put that into debateable category.
 
duffer said:
We're nowhere near Liverpool or Man City. We could probably be 3rd instead of 4th. Not a big difference.

We lost Eden Hazard and replaced him with Pulisic who has missed most of the season through injury. We have a promising kid in CHO who has missed most of the season through injury. Loftus-Cheek has missed the entire season so far. The best player in our squad (Kante) has missed more than half the season through injury. Have we suffered the most through injury? No. Have we lost key players for long periods? Yes.

Could he have done a bit better? Sure. Much better? No chance.

Also Kepa and Willy. You lot have 3 goalies better than our 2!
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I think that's why Lampard deserves patience and definitely more than Ole. While your league position is boosted by the competition for top 4 being miserable, he's not really had a chance to properly spend. Pulisic was added by the previous manager if I'm not mistaken and his one signing - Ziyech - hasn't even joined yet. To sign up when the team had lost their talisman, one of the most influential players at the bigger clubs, and then to not spend and have to promote plenty of kids, is a tough ask. I think he could have elevated then more and questions should be asked as Chelsea like United should be expected a quality manager rather than just an average and improving one, but most managers should get at least one proper window.
 
Do Chelsea fans still believe Sancho and a CF should be priority for them? You barely have a defence!
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Lampard impressed early on with his coaching. But really, he's lucky he's had the competition he's had for top 4. We've had one of our worst season and are 3 points behind, which shows the standard of the top 4 clash this year.
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Noone really deserves to finish 4th. Us, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal have had terrible seasons. Luckily for 1 team they will end up 4th by default.
 
Lampard doesn't deserved to be sacked at all. Hasn't been allowed to do any transfer business. If they sack him it's a complete joke considering the squad and resources he's had at his disposal since taking over.
 
He messed up tactically today I feel. Five at the back didn't work at all and he took too long to change it. Bayern were there to be taken on the counter but he didn't play Willian / Pedro / Abraham and instead went with a slow AF attack.

There were several situations when it was 0-0 where Barkley or Mount would get the ball on the break but posed no threat at all because of lack of pace in the side.

They probably still would've lost even if he got the tactics right because Bayern were the much superior team, but he could've gotten away with a 2-1 loss maybe.
 
cyberman said:
What has Kante done in the attacking role to get in ahead of Bruno? Kante hasnt been Kante for 18 months now. Its weird how his reputation never drops on here.
Pulisic cant even get in the Chelsea side alone! Bit of a double standard to disallow Bruno due to lack of evidence and then throw in Pulisic.
I mean you have Jorginho in here... The man who is bullied every single week
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Kante has proved a lot in the league and is still one of the best. His form has dipped this season due to multiple reasons but still he is one of the best in his position (not sure where did you get this attacking role point though)

Pulisic or Greenwood makes it because both sides has equally bad options out there. Much rather him than Willian or Pedro..
 
First 12 games
Chelsea 26 points - 27 goals scored - +10 GD

Next 15 games
Chelsea 18 points - 18 goals scored - -2 GD

Their league form has been very poor after the initial bounce.
 
Andersonson said:
Bang average but more goals than our striker. Martial average too?

Kante and rudiger would easy get in the first 11. Unsure about Reece yet
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Abraham's stats are heavily padded by the 7 goals he scored against Wolves, Sheffield and Norwich. And that was almost 7 months ago in the month of August. Not exactly the hallmark of consistency.

The only time has Martial scored more than 2 goals in a game was against Newcastle.
 
Knux said:
To say that Chelsea have a better first 11 than United is just pure nonsense in my opinion. I would say that 2 chelsea players get in to United first.

De Gea
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw
Pogba - Kante - Bruno—
Rashford - Abraham - Martial

Im sure you Chelsea fans cant be deluded think otherwise.. would you?

Also, United - Chelsea played 3 or 4(?) times this season and its 8-1 in goal difference to United. 2 of the games at the Bridge. Without our best players in Pogba and Rashford.
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Yeah but Pogba has played like 4 games this season and Bruno just came in. You take those 2 out and United has Lingard and Pereira for creativity. For most of the season Chelsea was much better equipped to beat teams then United, the "lesser" ones at least. With everyone fit, after the Jan window, yeah i would take the United squad to be better, no doubt. Both teams have suffered a lot due to injuries to key players.
 
Knux said:
To say that Chelsea have a better first 11 than United is just pure nonsense in my opinion. I would say that 2 chelsea players get in to United first.

De Gea
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw
Pogba - Kante - Bruno—
Rashford - Abraham - Martial

Im sure you Chelsea fans cant be deluded think otherwise.. would you?

Also, United - Chelsea played 3 or 4(?) times this season and its 8-1 in goal difference to United. 2 of the games at the Bridge. Without our best players in Pogba and Rashford.
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We have better coaching and manager. :rolleyes:
 
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