They are botching this, Boris and co. And we can't do a damn thing about it, for five years.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I actually think this is one of the rare cases where the media reaction is actually slightly underplaying the risks and what's at stake here. It could be devastation on a scale most of us haven't seen in our lifetimes. The whole nation of Italy - ITALY - is effectively under martial law, and it's only just getting started.
But people aren't taking the media at face value given they are the boy who cried wolf.
I reckon 99% of people spreading panic and bulk buying goods.... don’t have a thermometer at home.
It’s an absolute necessity. Both to ward off paranoia of self, and to give 111 or 999 or an Ambulance driver, and accurate temperature reading if it ever came to it.
Everyone should have at least one digital one in the house. Then probably a strip on the forehead back up option.
It’s an absolute necessity. Both to ward off paranoia of self, and to give 111 or 999 or an Ambulance driver, and accurate temperature reading if it ever came to it.
Everyone should have at least one digital one in the house. Then probably a strip on the forehead back up option.
The government is doing far more behind the scenes than the media leads you to believe.
Kind of. In Lombardy it is, and the healthcare system here is easily on par with the NHS. We have almost 500 people in ICU for Coronavirus. People are being transferred around the country to places with spare capacity, but for the elderly who deteriorate quickly it can't be done fast enough.
There are 1,000 ventilators to create new ICU spaces and 100,000 respirator masks coming from China so pressure will hopefully be reduced.
I am curious from the doctors on here - Lombardy is the Italian equivalent of Greater London. How many ICU beds does London have?
I've found this interesting:
Of course.
I can't believe people were buying into the whole early quarantine causes compliance issues BS.
Italy is not under Martial Law. Life is very normal for the vast majority of Italians. No need to dramatise.
Can't see this playing behind closed doors thing lasting too long.
It was until this weekend. Not anymore it's not.
infetti=infected
dec=deaths
Italy
I created this on excel considering the average daily increase of infected and deaths in Italy
This is what could happen in Italy if there is not a decrease
Today 10/03 results are:
10149 infected
631 deaths
My excel file, unfortunately, is more or less correct after 3 days
But I will improve it
They need to suspend these games for general public safety. Even with games behind closed doors, it still gives people a reason to gather together to watch the game (if you're televised) or even listen to it on the radio.
Off work today with a bad chest after having a fever and aches yesterday. I’m asthmatic. 2 other colleagues have also not turned in today, we work in Liverpool and live just outside.
Looks like none of us have any intention of getting tested, wouldn’t even know where to start, just lying in bed drinking lemsips and reading this thread.
Mate, it’s a phone call to 111. They will ask your symptoms and will likely send a kit to you to get tested. Do it.
Based on the infection rates here, the only difference with Italy is we’re two weeks behind. I see the economic cost as inevitable at this stage, I expect lockdown by end of March. It’s about saving lives now and delaying it till summer if possible.
The lockdowns finally take affect?
Far as I can tell this isn't true.
Think it's purely to do with squeezing as much money out of us as a society mate. This is the same Government that has caused the NHS to be struggling so much already...!
Agree with Steve here.
Why do you say that? And what do you presume they're doing? Genuine questions, and I fecking hope you're right so much.
Indeed. It's laughable... though not in the slightest funny.
Needs more time to understand a change of a trend
This level of over-dramatic nonsense is part of the problem.
It is still closer to a regular life than living under Martial Law.
The military is not controlling the country. Suggesting a whole country is experiencing that is daft.
Flights are still operating. Roads are open with few checkpoints. Trains are running. Italy is still functioning as a country. They seem to be doing exceptionally well in insanely difficult circumstances. They haven’t just rolled out the army everywhere.
I would ring 111 to be on the safe and responsible side. There have been cases of a community spread infection in UK now.
Assuming neither of you are experts in this field, can you point to where you've sourced your belief that these preventative measures don't decline in efficiency over time as suggested?
Given multiple governments have now stated that the scientific evidence highlights the risks involved in implementing measures too early, it would be interesting to read actual scientific evidence as to why they are wrong. I mean presumably there have been countless reports over the years modelling various responses to these types of outbreaks?
You're right and my bad. Apparently you could get tested at home, but it'd be a nurse visiting rather than them sending you a swab/saliva kit.
Ive literally talked my lungs into hurting for feck sake.
In Belfast airport a few days ago, heard two bus drivers saying a fellow employee contracted it so good luck contacting all those passengers, handing out tickets and change guarentees a high rate with him alone.
In Belfast airport a few days ago, heard two bus drivers saying a fellow employee contracted it so good luck contacting all those passengers, handing out tickets and change guarentees a high rate with him alone.
@Rhyme Animal - In response to the ‘How do you know’
Mainly... I’m close to top tier government. But not at all close to anyone in the departments handling this.
Thus All of my updates are anecdotal and second hand. But as dumb as the ruling government may be... most people in senior civil service positions are brighter than average and work together pretty damn well. There’s red tape and restrictions at many turns but the government is inherently good. Not the politicians who deal in the dark. But the people that do a social good no matter who the paymasters are. The people untouched by Cabinet reshuffles.
Gears are turning. There’s a plan and it’s trending as well as any country on earth.
Should Boris be the face of our response? Nope. But if people voted for him then he’s the face of the nation. Sadly.
Hospitals are being reorganised. We’re testing lots and our response times are pretty good. Not world leading. Sadly. But we’re doing better than most.
I think more than anything else, the UK has had an odd history with the balance point between telling the public just enough to maintain social order and simply protecting all people. Perhaps that’s fallen into sacrificing a few at times. But we’ve had many instances of it.
That seems to be where we’re at now. Readiness is happening in the background. Something like calm messaging is keeping people on an even keel.
It may all go horrifically bad. But there are plans. Things are changing without being on the front page.
Mainly... I’m close to top tier government. But not at all close to anyone in the departments handling this.
Thus All of my updates are anecdotal and second hand. But as dumb as the ruling government may be... most people in senior civil service positions are brighter than average and work together pretty damn well. There’s red tape and restrictions at many turns but the government is inherently good. Not the politicians who deal in the dark. But the people that do a social good no matter who the paymasters are. The people untouched by Cabinet reshuffles.
Gears are turning. There’s a plan and it’s trending as well as any country on earth.
Should Boris be the face of our response? Nope. But if people voted for him then he’s the face of the nation. Sadly.
Hospitals are being reorganised. We’re testing lots and our response times are pretty good. Not world leading. Sadly. But we’re doing better than most.
I think more than anything else, the UK has had an odd history with the balance point between telling the public just enough to maintain social order and simply protecting all people. Perhaps that’s fallen into sacrificing a few at times. But we’ve had many instances of it.
That seems to be where we’re at now. Readiness is happening in the background. Something like calm messaging is keeping people on an even keel.
It may all go horrifically bad. But there are plans. Things are changing without being on the front page.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
Useful tool from the government.
Useful tool from the government.
My wee team in the village.
Your excel sheet is wildly inaccurate today and will be worse every day going forward. Your error will be compounded every single day.
Apparently he knew he was a high risk and played anyway.
The plank
The worst type to catch it.
Firstly, thanks for writing out such a well laid out reply mate, really appreciate it.
Secondly, I really, sincerely hope you're right!
What is pretty good? Is ten days standard?
Mcgivern the linfield player apparently went to the league Cup final with the hannover player.
As soon as it was realised that the hannover player had the virus mcgivern notified linfield and put himself in isolation.
Just a heads up, the case numbers for Lombardy (the most effected region) today are only partial. 10,149 is not the final figure.
Good post.
1784 cases in France now confirmed.
No worries man.
Don’t get me wrong. I voted Labour. I think this current government is pro business. Pro business. Fcuk the poor. They’re awful people at the top level
But the government departments are estranged from that. We should keep that in mind.
Hoping we stay in the top 10 of countries. We’re never going to be first. More people will die because of that. But people are voting for this system. Sadly.
Wait, you're asking evidence for my skepticism?
You write well, but I don't think you understand how science works.
What do you mean by ‘Ten Days’
If you phone up the NHS through any means, tell them you went to Milan last week and have a confirmed temperature of 41 degrees... you’re going to get a full court press of a response. You’re in a ward in hours. You will be monitored.
I can’t talk to your wide question.
Thank you brother. And thank you for (seemingly) reining in some of your more alarmist posts in the past few days. Your daily update post from the factual source is helpful and I appreciate it.
I’m sure we’ll both think the other is too dramatic or too ostrich like in the coming weeks. But that’s life.
My what?