Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

ManchesterYoda said:
I am reading the thread but I can't reply to every post.

I understand that more people are going to die from this flu, but why is the football season being cancelled? Why not just give health warning recommending that the vulnerable, sick and elderly stay home and play the games behind closed doors? All the people that go to football matches aren't going to stay at home because there is no football to go to. Densely populated areas will be still be full of thousands of people each day like every other day so if this flu is going to spread it's going to spread regardless. Cancelling the football season is not going to stop the flu from spreading.
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So if the vulnerable, sick and elderly stay home and everyone else goes out and gets coronavirus who is going to look after the vulnerable, sick and elderly?

I am guessing that 75% of healthy football spectators have close family over retirement age, would you go to a football match where 70,000 people are stood within one metre of each other during a pandemic and then go home to or visit your relative?

Are you gong to choose to not see your close relative for 3 months because you don't want to miss the footy?
 
So a few Leicester players have shown symptoms and are being kept away from the rest of the squad apparently.
 
DVG7 said:
@ManchesterYoda its very simple. If we continue to allow huge gatherings of people, then it’s a statistical fact that more people will contract the virus and henceforth, more people will die.

yes this virus is more damaging to the older population, but it’s literally shortening the lives of loving parents/grandparents/great grandparents around the world and robbing them of more time with their loved ones. It’s devastating.

You clearly haven’t been able to get outside the “the flu is worse” headspace, but it’s very simple. This is new, and if things to the way they currently are, it could end up being far worse than the flu. If there was ever something to overreact about, it’s a new deadly virus that’s fast spreading around the globe. So with all do respect, change your opinion because your current one is outdated, ignorant and doesn’t factor into reality whatsoever.
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So it was probably not a good idea having Cheltenham. I know it is outside, so don't tell me they wouldn't all be crammed into the hospitality tents etc. Will Aintree be under threat?
 
So.

Who has played Leicester in the last 7 days? (7 days is the incubation period before symptoms begin to show).

Because those players need to self isolate now too.

Edit: And the stadium staff, anyone who cleaned the dressing room after the Leicester players had left, the coach driver and so on.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
So.

Who has played Leicester in the last 7 days? (7 days is the incubation period before symptoms begin to show).

Because those players need to self isolate now too.

Edit: And the stadium staff, anyone who cleaned the dressing room after the Leicester players had left, the coach driver and so on.
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Depends if any of those 3 players actually have it or not.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
So it was probably not a good idea having Cheltenham. I know it is outside, so don't tell me they wouldn't all be crammed into the hospitality tents etc. Will Aintree be under threat?
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large gatherings shouldn’t be happening, period. I suspect that money is a huge factor in allowing these things to proceed.
 
Now players are starting to get symptoms, it really is boiling up to a massive crescendo.

You'd think they have to decide pretty damm quick what they're doing, with league games in 2 days!
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Depends if any of those 3 players actually have it or not.
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It also depends on at what stage you can test to see if they have it.
Might be the case that it takes a week or two to be diagnosable, making it an even bigger minefield.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
From your own graph there were 61k deaths out of an estimated caseload of 45 million. That's a mortality rate of 0.13%. That's literally 25x less than your 3.4% figure. 61k x 25 = 1.525 million.
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I understand now. I was forgetting it's per thousand. It is a lot more significant than regular flu so the reaction does now make more sense.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
Why not just give health warning recommending that the vulnerable, sick and elderly stay home and play the games behind closed doors?
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Because if you, as a healthy individual, contract the virus it could take up to 14 days for you to feel the symptoms or not feel them at all. In the meantime you are going to be the vehicle that drives the virus to others. You could yourself die from it but even more importantly, your parents, grandparents, their friends are highly likely to die from it.

Longer it takes to incubate, more chances of others getting infected. In normal flu, you know within 5 days whether you have the flu. Statistically, you will meet and infect more people in 14 days than in 5 days. This combined with the fact that if you are suffering from coronavirus, you are much more likely to require a hospital bed in order to save your life. There are only limited number of hospital beds in even the most advanced cities. We are looking at a scenario in many cities where doctors will have to make a choice on who they should save.
 
Getting out of hand now. I think they'll have to suspend the league.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
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Coronavirus in US so far this year - confirmed cases: 987 deaths: 29

Source - CDC

I would like to know why there is such a moral panic developing with regards to this coronavirus. The lowest number of deaths from "the flu" in the US was around 12,000. This is in 1 country. The current WORLDWIDE death toll from this "special flu" is around 4,600. Why am I supposed to be scared? I need a reason to be scared because simply told "you should be scared" isn't enough. Why are sporting competitions being cancelled? I don't watch the news. The only way I even heard about this coronavirus was on this forum a couple weeks ago. Now I'm reading that football might all be cancelled because there's an outbreak of the flu. It's ridiculous. Don't reply with "shut up, just be scared like everyone else". Try and explain to me WHY I should be scared!
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Wow, the ignorance.

It's fatality rate is currently 30 times more than flu. It's rate of transmission is 3 times more than flu.

I work in Primary Care and it's currently a 48 hour turn around time for a result from a COVID-19 test. That's set to increase as labs are struggling to keep up. So the number we are seeing at the moment do not reflect the actual number of infected in the country, that's without considering it has a 3-14 day incubation period before it shows symptoms, while still infectious.

As much as it's sad that people will die directly as a result of COVID-19, that's not the main issue. The main issue is that no healthcare system in the world is resilient enough to cope with a sudden influx of infected people (serious or not). There's not enough beds, not enough meds, not enough professionals and not enough space to isolate people. Which will have a catastrophic effect on the healthcare provided to people with other serious health issues e.g. what happens if you're GP surgery shuts it's doors because 1 doctor tested positive, the other are in self isolation. You don't realize the hassle it will be to get prescription medication, especially routine medication and the members of society that are going to suffer due to not having access to their primary source of healthcare.

The radical decisions being taken is not to fight the disease, it's to delay the inevitable spread so that healthcare systems are not overwhelmed and a vaccine can be created.

The hope is, that summer will help in delaying it's spread and allow some time to prepare for next winter. Unfortunately, this has no scientific basis yet and the reality is that the NHS will not be able to keep pace with the current rate of transmission if it does indeed continue through the summer.

That's just the aspect from a healthcare point of view. What happens if the police service, fire service, supermarkets, banks and god forbid...takeaways lose staff due to mild cases of the virus. Doesn't matter if people die, an overwhelming number of sick is more detrimental to society/economy
 
Fack sake we put on that woeful performance v Leicester on Monday when half of them were on their deathbed. :lol:
 
Cancel it and send everyone home to ride it out. Restart next season with the same teams.

Thinking way ahead but you have to wonder what affect this will have on the WC. If they don’t cancel the season and want to start back up at some point it will delay next season and scheduling could be an issue with the WC already requiring a winter break.
 
Lynty said:
Wow, the ignorance.

It's fatality rate is currently 30 times more than flu. It's rate of transmission is 3 times more than flu.

I work in Primary Care and it's currently a 48 hour turn around time for a result from a COVID-19 test. That's set to increase as labs are struggling to keep up. So the number we are seeing at the moment do not reflect the actual number of infected in the country, that's without considering it has a 3-14 day incubation period before it shows symptoms, while still infectious.

As much as it's sad that people will die directly as a result of COVID-19, that's not the main issue. The main issue is that no healthcare system in the world is resilient enough to cope with a sudden influx of infected people (serious or not). There's not enough beds, not enough meds, not enough professionals and not enough space to isolate people. Which will have a catastrophic effect on the healthcare provided to people with other serious health issues e.g. what happens if you're GP surgery shuts it's doors because 1 doctor tested positive, the other are in self isolation. You don't realize the hassle it will be to get prescription medication, especially routine medication and the members of society that are going to suffer due to not having access to their primary source of healthcare.

The radical decisions being taken is not to fight the disease, it's to delay the inevitable spread so that healthcare systems are not overwhelmed and a vaccine can be created.

The hope is, that summer will help in delaying it's spread and allow some time to prepare for next winter. Unfortunately, this has no scientific basis yet and the reality is that the NHS will not be able to keep pace with the current rate of transmission if it does indeed continue through the summer.

That's just the aspect from a healthcare point of view. What happens if the police service, fire service, supermarkets, banks and god forbid...takeaways lose staff due to mild cases of the virus. Doesn't matter if people die, an overwhelming number of sick is more detrimental to society/economy
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I understand now, don't worry.

I almost started a new job last week working for a hospital in Manchester. Admin, not doctor or nurse. The agency told me the manager had been taken ill so the job was put on hold. I was disappointed but now maybe not so much. Maybe I was lucky not to get that particular job.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I am reading the thread but I can't reply to every post.

I understand that more people are going to die from this flu, but why is the football season being cancelled? Why not just give health warning recommending that the vulnerable, sick and elderly stay home and play the games behind closed doors? All the people that go to football matches aren't going to stay at home because there is no football to go to. Densely populated areas will be still be full of thousands of people each day like every other day so if this flu is going to spread it's going to spread regardless. Cancelling the football season is not going to stop the flu from spreading.
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Three main reasons why this is much worse than seasonal flu:
  • The R rate, rate of transmission, is much higher than seasonal flu strains. We vaccinate against seasonal flu and have greater various degrees of immunity against it. The fact we vaccinate against diseases means we, the public, don't really understand how contagious they can be.
  • The mortality rate is likely significantly higher too. We don't know the figure yet and won't some time. It will likely be in the 0-2% range should medical facilities be able to cope.
  • These two factors combined mean the mortality rate will be much higher for those who are most vulnerable and who develop complications should they not be able to get the treatment they need. Lombardy was at 6%+ at one point (but not sure where it is now) as the health system couldn't help enough people who needed it.
Individuals who are young, fit and healthy need not worry much more than they would about contracting seasonal flu, but the costs will be immense for societies.
 
ManchesterYoda said:
I understand now, don't worry.

I almost started a new job last week working for a hospital in Manchester. Admin, not doctor or nurse. The agency told me the manager had been taken ill so the job was put on hold. I was disappointed but now maybe not so much. Maybe I was lucky not to get that particular job.
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Yay, thank you. I'd suggest you edit your initial posts to say the same, or else you will still be getting comments well into the rest of this week.
 
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