SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Aren’t you reading this wrong under the table it says the primary end point is intensive care, ventilator or death and there’s 12 people in that age range?
Alot of people wont actually understand the complexity of that tweet from that person.
Yet the WHO have backed Ireland's approach and not (as far as I'm aware) the UK's? Are the WHO that unreliable?
You're invincible of course.
I understand that but there is a lot of people on this forum from north and south.
Ireland is not the only country being more aggressive than the UK here.
Something else that’s not getting mentioned enough is the UK’s ITU beds per capita. It’s many multiples less than most of the EU countries on lockdown. Hence the UK is much more vulnerable to becoming overwhelmed if the new cases continue to rise at their current exponential rate. And without radical behavioural change, they will do exactly that.
As someone that's living on the island, I absolutely welcome Ireland's approach and I wish Northern Ireland followed suit. It makes sense for us. We're one island with unrestricted travel ffs.
I haven't seen the WHO commenting, could you link?
Give it 4-6 weeks. It's going to be a total shit show. Guaranteed.
What is a pre-existing condition? I don’t have asthma but I had a collapsed lung in the past and pneumonia a few years ago
this is key. everyone is rightly freaking out a bit right now, without realising that this is just the beginning. you can't just compare our situation with other countries in Europe, let alone China.
which is why i think it's such a ballsy (but correct) call by the government. they know that most people are going to react negatively based on right now, without realising that the government are actually looking at things far more pragmatically (and medium term) than most.
There was a report released in October which said the UK was the second best prepared country in the world for an epidemic.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...d-worst-prepared-for-an-epidemic-infographic/
You will know more than me, but I imagine there are many factors at play when it comes to being prepared.
15.7% are classified as severe but the criteria for being classified as severe is due to having 1 severe criteria (will need ICU for sure) or having 3 mild/medium criteria (won't necessarily need ICU treatment).
ICU treatment is classified as the Primary Composite End Point in that paper (67/1099) which is 6% (mostly coming from the older age groups). Still very fecking high. If we get 6% of those infected needing ICU treatment we are truly fecked. But I'm assuming/hoping the majority of mild/very mild cases weren't tested or diagnosed at all, so these are vast overestimate of ICU needs. Crossing everything I can.
It will be, but it's going to be a shit show everywhere. It's how you manage that shitshow, from both a medical and economic perspective.
Things like asthma, COPD, pulmonary fibrosis, bronchiectasis, cystic fibrosis, lung cancer (technically all cancer but in this instance I'm talking about lung stuff). What you describe is fine, what I meant was chronic lung conditions, sorry.
I wouldn’t be too reassured by that infographic tbh, seeing as it lumps you in alongside the absolute feckery going on across the pond. No point being well prepared if bad decisions are made when shit gets real.
Australia was 3rd or 4th and I did that numbers of infections in comparison to our ICU bed availability and it wasn't pretty.
Is it safe to go to the gym ? 
Maybe different aims. The WHO may still think the virus can be contained wordwide (medical and political success that falls back on the WHO), so they are for early and radical measures.
The UK and and other major european countries opted for trying to manage the virus with their health systems (that success belongs then to the individual countries)
And imagine going in the next week to the chinese leadership as WHO boss to say: Thanks for the try, but the Europeans and the USA have decided to go for another approach. Either isolate your country or try to do the same with your health system. And good luck by the way.
A fun conversation for sure.....
Edit: saw the tweets you provided. In honesty I think the WHO is praising everybody at the moment who is taking action just to stay in the media. Up to a week or two ago many people and governments looked to the WHO for guidance and Infos. Here in Europe now the national governments dominate the discourse. The WHO is missing the attention
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Is it safe to go to the gym ?
Don't lick the equipment and all will be well.
Unless you get Coronavirus from someone of course.
I'm thinking more along the lines of handling dumbells and plates after others have. Most people at my gym wipe down the seats and backrests of machine weight stations with a disinfectant spray after each use (most responsible ones at least). Still a bit anxious as to whether or not to go given the circumstances.
The biggest source of bias is that they’re looking at in-patients only so you’d imagine that they’re ignoring a load of mild cases (was hoping nobody would challenge my scaremongering by actually reading the article!
) Still, though, seeing that such a high proportion of the most seriously ill are relatively young people is pretty damn scary.Is it leg day?Is it safe to go to the gym ?
Look at it this way: this virus is going to be around for months. If you're going to go the gym at any point during that period, now is about as safe as it will get.
I've personally stopped as of this week. Same with my language class.
Thanks, the only message from the WHO there doesn't seem to be exactly what the journalist/minister are trying to portray, but interesting.
Ok, thank you a lot. This actually is really helpful
Gyms in Ireland are all shutting down. I stopped going a few days ago anyway. You’re spot on about the risk of grubby hands on all the equipment. Plus spittle getting sprayed all over the shop by people grunting and groaning lifting heavy weights. Hang a pull up bar on a doorframe at home and start watching youtube videos of bodyweight exercises. The gains will have to wait.
Things like COPD, Asthma, emphysema. If you've recovered from a collapsed lung I don't think that would count, but I'm just a guy online, don't listen to me!
Wash your hands before and after and don't touch your face during training and I'd say you will be fine. More of a concern if someone has it and is sneezing while you train.
Is it safe to go to the gym ?
Sanitize after every piece of equipment you touch. Use a towel to wipe your sweat. Don't touch your face.
Yeah good post.
If you go too early with a full lockdown it's totally unsustainable. It's all about timing and thus far I don't think you can criticise the UK (even though all the cool kids want to).
My gym is making everyone clean their hands when they arrive and has plenty of sanitiser on offer.
The main aim must be to stop the spread now to prevent and explosive increase in infection as infections usually reduce later in the cycle (and hopefully with warmer weather helping in the NH).
I have been told in no uncertain terms by a close friend who is a doctor at a major hospital that it is about relieving pressure on ICU, quarantine has failed but delay may work for the worst cases. However, any such delay is largely impossible without closing schools down for the foreseeable.