All UEFA matches postponed
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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This is true and should be highlighted to people even more. Yesterday we had a viral video here of a guy that was about 28-35 filming himself at intensive care, complaining that he had to wait hours to get checked. He was young, didn't appear to be doing that badly, there was no need for him to go to hospital to get checked at that point but because the likes of him are doing that hospitals can't carry on.
if you are young and are not feeling very bad, you don't have to rush to hospital. Stay home.
You’re being obtuse or facetious.
None of those things need to be run for society to function.
I’m not advocating that they stop forever. But they’re natural communication zones.
Nor am I advocating that those people have to stay inside. They can go out and about just fine. It’s not ‘Leisure centre or Netflix with McDonalds’. They simply don’t need to move in large groups sharing the same air, seats, water bottles, and so on.
These measures would affect me. I could handle it though. As could everyone else.
Yep. Colleagues in Milan say there are police going round with loudspeakers telling everybody to stay at home. We don't have that here but police and army are everywhere and if you are outside they will stop you and ask you why. The strictness of the enforcement has progressively increased throughout the week.
A friend of a friend is in the police and says part of the reason they want everybody inside is because if there is a car accident or something, they may not be able to help you.
That is because if Boris says 'get Brexit done' and it happened, then all he has to say is 'get Corona virus done' and that will happen as well.
Simple really.
Yeah makes perfect sense.
In other news I've had a slight cough for two days and woke up feeling achey this morning. Nothing major though. My partner who has Type 1 diabetes has been having trouble with her blood sugars the last couple of nights as well which is odd as she's done nothing out of the ordinary. I know what that might mean though.
Working from home obviously although she can't...yet.
Anyone know what the situation is like in Paris right now? Is it also a ghost town or similar to the UK with everything running despite what’s going on?
Yes, a major problem would be criminal records checks, which you have to do in any volunteer position where you have contact with kids or vulnerable people. Many folk would be capable of doing the domestic/basic care for sick people, such as helping them wash, making beds, taking them to the toilet - but you can't allow unchecked volunteers to do that.
As hard as Italy has been hit, Spain looks to be in real trouble.
They've gone from 600 cases to 4000 in 5 days. It took Italy 8 days to do the same.
They've gone from 600 cases to 4000 in 5 days. It took Italy 8 days to do the same.
So, the plan is we all get it (60% isn't enough for herd immunity, its 90%+, hence the rapid reemergence of measles as soon as vaccinations fall below 90%).
One problem. There are currently 6 families of the virus with over 200 recorded strains, in other words, its like flu.
You cannot develop immunity to a virus that is capable of antigenic drift and shift, such as flu viruses.
You can catch flu multiple times and they have to produce new flu vaccines every year because of this.
One problem. There are currently 6 families of the virus with over 200 recorded strains, in other words, its like flu.
You cannot develop immunity to a virus that is capable of antigenic drift and shift, such as flu viruses.
You can catch flu multiple times and they have to produce new flu vaccines every year because of this.
Roughly speaking, progressive forms of breathing assistance and getting fever under control.
Volunteers as in helping out with menial tasks, maybe.
Edit: first-hand account of survivor (He describes how he felt; can be unpleasant reading)
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I’m sure they will be shut at some point, but you don’t do it whilst they are still delivering greater benefits than additional risks.If you shut them now, they’ll be shut for 3+ months. These threads are great evidence that society barely has the composure for mass quarantines of a few weeks, let alone months. The cases are dramatically going to rise at some point regardless. You only take the most dramatic restrictions when most effective.
Yeah sorry mate misread it.
Also, the chart doesn't include the Netherlands, who are on a similar timeline to us, and have a similar policy to use with regard of keeping schools open for now.
But including them wouldn't fit their narrative or agenda, so they excluded them.
Not surprised. Germany have localized schools closures as do the UK. Not sure the about the Sports part, both countries have suspended individual games and events. Both are in the same boat regarding football as of right now and and looks like both will have to suspend soon.
Is it even proven that infected people will have a higher immunity? It just seems to me people will die in the hopes that they can maintain the economy. I don't even think the virus is understood to a point where we know this will be effective. Bojo is effectively sacrificing much of his voting base here.
In Spain and France due to high amount of deaths there's probably around 50,000 cases or more. Surely you're clever enough to understand that?
I'm showing info to show UK is possibly just not there yet, might be 1 week or 4 before we move to other measures. Nearly all countries have limited testing requirements and kits available and UK testing was in line with Italy's testing last week when Italy had 79 deaths and 2500 cases while we had 300 cases and 5 deaths. Italy positivity rate was 10-11% at around 25k tested and UK was 1.3%, for a mild situation in the UK and the grave one in Italy as of the first week of March we had done a good amount of testing. Other countries refuse to let the testing amounts known, probably because they're low.
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None of those measures are dramatic.
Nor will society collapse without them. The first few days will be the worst. It won’t get progressively worse.
I don’t understand anyone that says “Let’s not do this thing that will certainly slow down spread... because we would like to wait several weeks to do that”. It’s broken logic.
Scottish league going ahead then. The old firm will get some viewing numbers th his weekend.
The netherlands have put in place social distancing measures though so I'm not sure your point is as strong as you believe. It's not just school closures of concern here.
There isn't the evidence for this yet, potentially two strains (unless you are talking about coronaviruses as a whole?).
It seems likely that successful recovery from infection will lead to immunity.
I wouldn’t say “happy”, but your point about the expected peak is key. Shutting up shop for a month, even two, just leaves us on our knees economically and societally, and exhausted mentally, when the worst is yet to come. We have to keep going where we can for now.
The only difference is the cancellation of events of 100+ people, which the govt scientists said doesn't massively effect transmission rates (c.5%). As people on here have said previously it's almost pointless if you allow pubs to open and the London underground to continue as normal.
Yep - they have cancelled all events of 100+ people and am getting daily updates from there so am fully aware what is going on over there
Not trying to make a strong argument - just thought it was odd not to have included them and as soon as you start choosing to edit the representation of data or exclude elements, then you are rightly open to questions as to why.
Not necessarily. The government states they want herd immunity to stop this recurring, and to be able to manage demand on the health service. I assume the spread is currently at the rate they judge optimal for those two goals - and other measures will be introduced when the infection rate hits a certain level.
It's also worth pointing out that closing schools will take a load of staff out of the NHS at a moment where they are trying to prepare for the inevitable rise in cases.
This is well worth a read by the way:
He probably has to take this gamble because he knows the economy will be fecked next year anyway.
Which government scientists? Ours? Theirs?
It would have been pointless to say they are practicing social distancing yet not stopping people using the underground.
Feels like thay scene from The Dark Knight rises where Blake is on the bridge trying to leave Gotham and that idiot blows up the bridge without listening to him. Blake is the UK Public, the bridge is social distancing and the idiot is our PM.
Our government scientists.
Why take any gamble then? The economy is going to be fecked anyway and the governments all have a great excuse for that now. So surely focusing purely on trying to save people's lives would be a good approach?
Well he's already conceeded people will die, and he's letting people get infected in order to develop immunity. I think this plan is flawed because we don't even know if letting people get it will actually make them immune.
As in most things, we should identify the root cause.
China.
And then we should look to get reparations by sueing the Chinese government for causing this catastrophe.
To expect us to develop herd immunity to this is very irresponsible. Very.
It's the wrong strategy, especially for our country. If we were Germany, with six times the number of critical care beds per 100k population, perhaps we could be more sanguine about allowing the infection to spread.
No, this strategy is likely a result of The Nudge Unit having too much influence. The Government are giving more credence to the behaviouralists' modelling than the medical experts' advice. Jeremy Hunt, who will likely be well-aware of the inner workings of Johnson's advisory team, made exactly this accusation on BBCR4 yesterday.