Honestly surprised that there's a few Pot Noodles left.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Honestly surprised that there's a few Pot Noodles left.
Which is why it won't happen, and some just don't have the same responsibilities so they can't see that.
Even though I agree with lockdown measures, it's very difficult to remain isolated, people develop cabin fever and are itching to return to normal. If there were 10 foot of snow outside it might work.
With spring coming up, it might be difficult to keep people in lockdown. Perhaps the UK government think if they start it later people will respect it for just long enough, then again if the weather is really nice people might slip back into old routines after a week or so.
Beyond the government, people of this country need to be responsible themselves and actually try and 'care'
I for one will literally stay in as much as I possibly can in this time... I could do this and that, but I could easily find things in the house to do that entertain me.
Too many people today still think this is a joke.
One woman speaking to me today laughing at some Chinese person with a facemask and scarf around their faces.
I tried to explain...
She realises it's serious but then doesn't understand the precautions she needs to take herself
I for one will literally stay in as much as I possibly can in this time... I could do this and that, but I could easily find things in the house to do that entertain me.
Too many people today still think this is a joke.
One woman speaking to me today laughing at some Chinese person with a facemask and scarf around their faces.
I tried to explain...
She realises it's serious but then doesn't understand the precautions she needs to take herself
If this goes full scale, it just won’t matter how many NHS staff are working. Italy has 20k cases and they are at the limits of what they can do. The peak could easily be 10 million at the same time, so you need to increase the number of doctors and nurses for 500 times to cope with the patients. Italy has a similar medical system to UK, and a similar number of people.
The only solution is the containment, it is simple as that. Yes, it is hard, and yes it will have catastrophic economic short term and mid term consequences. There is also no guarantee that it will work, and even if it works any will die. The alternative is tens of millions of people dying, probably even more.
You’re assuming that there isn’t going to be relief funds/deferred payments etc. That’s going to have to happen.
But it's not just your average uneducated person disagreeing with what the UK is doing tbf.
I’ve yet to see anyone who is a leading world scientist criticise the approach. Former health ministers, some university science lecturers and the usual moaning British public who are lapping up the media driven hysteria.
No it won't, just as long as there's work to go to still.
They took all the chicken & mushroom, things really need to go down hill before people take the lesser flavours.
Honestly surprised that there's a few Pot Noodles left.
I was someone who thought it was all media-inflated hype a month or so ago but it's crazy to see what's happening now. It's like something from a movie.
We'll also have stadiums in each town and city which are currently unused.
Same as you mate. Although I still feel the media are being incredibly irresponsible in their reporting and figure doom mongering.
I really don't understand the rationale of having 60% of the population infected over a year. If we look at best case scenarios here in that the total time you're infected for before being cured is 2 weeks and these infections are evenly distributed over time then you are looking at:
36,000,000 (total infected) ÷ 26 (every 2 weeks) = 1,384,615 (infected every 2 weeks).
If you then work on the basis that 10% of these will have a severe infection and need to be hospitalised then you are looking at 138,462 people taking up hospital beds with coronavirus complications. If you are working on the basis that the figures in China and Italy are flawed because they don't take into account the non-symptomatic and mild cases then if 2% of all infected need hospital beds you still will have an extra 27,692 people every 2 weeks being hospitalised. Even in the best case scenario using this model will cause the NHS to collapse. This idea is fecking crazy and it needs to be changed immediately.
The Etihad has been unused all season. They could have started using that in January.
They've not accounted for the behaviour science specifically in play in the UK.
If you close schools and lockdown the country right now, masses of people will break curfew. If you don't, they're more likely to lockdown themselves to some degree. And when the official lockdown comes, they're more likely to follow it.
The UK is a uniquely recalcitrant nation. A nation, might I add, that voted for Brexit against its own best interests.
I don't see the coronavirus as a partisan issue. But the sheer number of people bringing up Johnson's name (rather than the Cheif Medical Officer's of the Chief Science Advisor's) suggests that that's what they're thinking about. Let's get it straight, we'd be following the same path even if the Labour party were in power right now.
This is absolutely terrifying. fecking hell, I feel sick.
Is it now.
Because at this moment it's not and there's absolutely no word from the government.
So I'll be heading to work next week. If I could stay at home I would, but I can't so I'm not. That's the reality and people who act like it's going to be that easy are delusional to just how different life is for others.
You can't see something if you avoid it on purpose.
Here is one.
I'll get you more if you want, I can pile them in here faster than you can watch them. Can also you paste their resumée if it bothers you too much to google for it.
Sad as it is, the alternative is to lose your house, not be able to feed your kids properly, and probably lose you lot father or grandfather. You get the point.
It is not saving lives of saving the economy. If we have 70% of people getting it, the economy is fecked either way. Dead people don’t buy things. The moderate projections put the number of dead people in par with those of WW2. Worst case projections put it significantly higher. It is not a matter of if we are going to have a deep recession or not, that is a guarantee right now.
Which is why the governments should do all it takes to do a full scale containment. Stop the mortgage payments until this is finished, at worst case even start rationing food. Yes, people will economically suffer and it is not gonna be pretty, but that was a certainty since end of January.
Jesus Christ. If this is accurate, and replicated in the UK, the fatality rate will be absolutely horrendous.
Life comes at you fast.
Which is why it's not as simple as just shutting everything down as some magical solution and everyone who sees it differently are just capitalist whores.
The bad news i heard from an interview with an infectious disease expert is that he expects it to return to China once the Lockdown is lifted.
This thing is fecking scary.
This thing is fecking scary.
Tim Gowers is one of the most decorated mathematicians alive, and he yesterday, essentially said (politely) that government’s plan is nuts.
Government’s plan might work at the cost of 500k-2million people dying. Maybe they should say so.
The point is that 60% will get the disease no matter what you do. There's no positive outcome to this.
The scientific modelling is more about the correct timing for school closures and lockdown in order to get the most public compliance and minimise the unwitting spread between people in close quarters.
I read another 5,000 places being created next week across the country with the arrival of equipment from China.
Yeah but theyll be prepared right? Ready to stamp any clusters out from the get go and with a nation that is now educated in what to do so it shouldnt be as devestating.
Its not as if everyone starts from scratch again
60% seems extremely high, source?
To add to this, even if the government start offering relief funds to workers there will be a lot of businesses with no workers and nobody to sell to. When it's over a lot of people may not have their jobs to go to anyway. Then we get into the government protecting workers and companies and it gets very tricky very quickly.
It may be the right thing to do but the repercussions are huge and long lasting even if it works well.
As the Deaths start to pile up, the Government's fast and loose approach and flippant comments ('take it on the chin', 'pass through the community' etc) will be played back and it will almost certainly be viewed as a Holocaust of sorts of the old and vulnerable.
Essentially like the Herpes Simplex virus... terrifying prospect.
@Arruda @Pogue Mahone could this really be possible for a severe respiratory virus? Like, you get rundown and the fecking thing comes back...? This is something that really does concern me a lot.
1. There's no evidence to suggest the rate is that low, and significant evidence to suggest that it's higher than that.
2. The NHS is already stretched to breaking - letting this thing run riot will literally wreck the NHS, the fatality rate will go up and up as our precious Healthcare system is overwhelmed.
Added to this, people who require urgent medical help for OTHER ISSUES (that's right, they still exist!) - people suffering Heart Attacks, Strokes, Diabetes, Car Accidents, Traumatic Injuries, Asthma attacks etc - will have a way, way higher fatality rate as the NHS is struggling to cope with the Corona pressure that the Government has dumped on them.
It will be an utter catastrophe if this policy isn't stopped ASAP.
It's a policy that only a Government who've pumped fecking MASSIVE resources and funding into their Healthcare system could be taking - even then it'd be very, very risky.
A Government who've systematically crippled it's own Healthcare system have absolutely no place even flirting with such a policy, let alone trying to con the public into actually accepting it.
Sorry but..dafuq is she wearing ?
The fact that they refuse to even quantify what this 'summer peak' they're hoping for, should tell everyone it's fecking grim.
On the plus side, imagine how herd immune we'll be if 75% of the population are infected. Joy.
Yes it will. This will be become apparent as it worsens. Right now, we obviously have to continue as normal as we can but this won’t go on for long.
But that needs the government to do that and guarantee that we will all at least be able to feed our families. I completely agree with and see the sense in what you are saying, 100% It's fecking obvious to me that their plan is trash. But whilst they sit on the fence and won't guarantee a damn thing, what are people expected to do?
So until they do that, what is the alternative? In a perfect world I'd do the right thing and isolate myself and my family, but since I got a nice tax bill through this morning I don't trust anything right now.