SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

0le said:
Even with all the shit going on, I can still find the time to get annoyed about people using the Fahrenheit scale. :D
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There was once my son's childcare called us to say he measured 100 degrees. My jaws dropped and thought my son had reached boiling point.
 
maniak said:
Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
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If someone on the street happen to walk near you and sneeze/cough (without mask), you may still get this.
 
Sweet Square said:
Maybe I'm just being very stupid(It is 3am over here)but couldn't this process but faster if the US government or the CPP decided to chuck a ton of cash at the project ? Basically a wartime economy but for fighting the virus.
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If it was a simple matter of money the US would have it solved right away, seeing as how it is hurting us.

It is not, though.
 
Dunno if enough people have it now that it's no longer interesting to list symptoms, but I'm currently enjoying the worst nights sleep of my life thanks to the damn fever that comes with it.
 
Are footballers really being so insensitive and doing kick up challenges with toilet paper for likes/clout while general public are struggling for rolls?

I’m sorry but they live in a different world.
 
Renegade said:
Are footballers really being so insensitive and doing kick up challenges with toilet paper for likes/clout while general public are struggling for rolls?

I’m sorry but they live in a different world.
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Struggling for rolls? The majority of normal people that aren’t hoarding still have a reasonable supply. Then you have the hoarders who can’t see the TV because of them. There’s a shortage of rolls into the supermarket but there’s an abundance of rolls in houses.
 
Pexbo said:
Struggling for rolls? The majority of normal people that aren’t hoarding still have a reasonable supply. Then you have the hoarders who can’t see the TV because of them. There’s a shortage of rolls into the supermarket but there’s an abundance of rolls in houses.
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I've got two rolls left.
 
Pexbo said:
Struggling for rolls? The majority of normal people that aren’t hoarding still have a reasonable supply. Then you have the hoarders who can’t see the TV because of them. There’s a shortage of rolls into the supermarket but there’s an abundance of rolls in houses.
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majority of people at my work place are running low with shelves empty! They could be doing the challenge with anything else. Rolled up socks?
It’s going to piss people off in a time where people are anxious and going without.
 
Pexbo said:
Sorry to hear that mate, you’re the first I’ve heard actually short on them. Has it effected you watching people do keepie uppies with them?
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Not yet. If I get down to the point I'm working my way through the pocket tissues I might seek some of these vids out for a hatewatch.
 
Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared to a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.

In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.



As per The Guardian
 
Pexbo said:
Sorry to hear that mate, you’re the first I’ve heard actually short on them. Has it affected you watching people do keepie uppies with them?
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It’s upset me to be fair, I’ve been wiping with kitchen roll for a week

Feckin Aussies are hoarding like mofos
 
Steerpike said:
Sorry, I'm not sure I follow your point here. What is a 'siri voice notification'? - presumably a kind of Cortana/Alexa variant?

I guess you are suggesting that it is possible for me to have the virus but to be unaware of it. If so, then I accept that there is a small possibility that is the case. My question then would be why is the risk that I pose greater when visiting a pub than it is going to the supermarket (which I did early on Tuesday morning)? I'll probably need to go to the shop again, to buy some milk, in the near future (how irresponsible is that?). If I happen to be an asymptomatic carrier, then just how many others are there? The entire strategy of self-isolation based on symptoms breaks down if we posit a world in which there are legions of unknowing carriers out there.

To your second point, I can affirm that I have no mental deficiencies (and I really don't know why you would suspect I have, unless of course you attribute such a condition to anyone who holds a different point of view to you).
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As others have said, you can be an asymptomatic carrier. Doctors suspect those are the worst culprits in terms of spreading it because people who are actually symptomatic tend to stay at home.

Going to the pub itself isn't as such worse than going to the supermarket. However, the point of social distancing is to limit the amount of social interaction of all forms, such that the likelihood of carrying the virus around is lowered. That means you cut out all non-essential stuff. You need to get your groceries and go to work, but you don't need to go to the pub or the cinema. It's not difficult.
 
So I've been self isolating and my dry cough goes away periodically (and it's not even really much of a cough - feels like a bit of an itch at the back of my throat that I can ignore most of the time).

However, for the last couple of days the symptom I have developed is a tight chest - I thought it was just anxiety at first. It feels like there's a finger firmly pressed into the middle of my chest.
 
Skills said:
So I've been self isolating and my dry cough goes away periodically (and it's not even really much of a cough - feels like a bit of an itch at the back of my throat that I can ignore most of the time).

However, for the last couple of days the symptom I have developed is a tight chest - I thought it was just anxiety at first. It feels like there's a finger firmly pressed into the middle of my chest.
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I am in the exact same boat.
 
Don't underestimate what loneliness means or how the message being given to the 70+ is being heard. Last month they (along with some people on disability pay) were being told to get out more, exercise more, to keep/go back to work.

Now they're hearing - twelve weeks house arrest, and an emphasis on the elderly as a NHS consuming, bed hogging liability. Don't begrudge Boris trying to put that as "strongly advised" - let them have some dignity/autonomy in theory of not in practice.

In twelve weeks some of them will be dead - of Covid or other conditions. Others will be in poor shape, due to self-neglect, dietary issues, or just because they haven't had that routine operation for cataracts and now they can't even see the TV or move around safely. Others will be ready to sign that DNR or to ask the GP for an extra dose of morphine.

Skype doesn't replace human contact, especially if you have no one close enough to Skype.

Incidentally if you've not already taught your grandparents to Skype/facetime/WhatsApp or whatever and they've not used a computer/tablet/smart phone you'll find it very tough to train them before they go into lockdown.
 
Josep Dowling said:
I’m extremely concerned about my gran. My grandfather died in January and she’s in her late 80s. Had a fall last week to make matters worse and I was going over there to see her as much as I could. I’ve been told her general mood has decreased massively in last two weeks because no one has been to see her (I was away on holiday). Loneliness can make people go insane.
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It's true that loneliness is a health hazard, particularly for older people. I hope your gran gets through this.

The way folk live here is helping tremendously - we have a relatively high number of super-elderly here but they don't live alone, they're in a house with their extended family. My neighbour lives with her husband and son, and her husband's mum, who is 96 and still active and fit. The old lady is normally is out every day doing her own shopping, but I haven't seen her for a few weeks because she's staying in. However, she's not alone. We lost that way of living a long time ago in the UK.
 
Drawfull said:
Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared to a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.

In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.



As per The Guardian
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This is the dream, an effective drug that is already tested for side effects and is just waiting to be rolled out.
 
cyberman said:
This is the dream, an effective drug that is already tested for side effects and is just waiting to be rolled out.
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For sure, although there's another article that implies they don't actively manufacture it - and when they have done, it's only been bought by Japan, but if its efficacy is as stated, then surely it'll be pushed further afield in the coming months. At least it would appear to alleviate time needed in ICU.
 
Favipiravir is one that was already earmarked as a potential "pandemic flu" drug. If it does prove to be effective then I suspect global manufacture can be ramped up fairly fast.

Part of why it hasn't been used as a general purpose flu drug is that flu strains can evolve to become immune to it. But it could well become part of the tool kit to deal with the crisis now.

An older article on the drug
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/188766/flu-virus-could-evolve-resistance-pandemic/
 
The Norwegian Embassy in Addis Ababa has now reported that locals might throw rocks at foreigners while shouting "corona". Great stuff.
Good thing it's easy to find a driver.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Dunno if enough people have it now that it's no longer interesting to list symptoms, but I'm currently enjoying the worst nights sleep of my life thanks to the damn fever that comes with it.
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Are you down with covid-19?
 
jojojo said:
Favipiravir is one that was already earmarked as a potential "pandemic flu" drug. If it does prove to be effective then I suspect global manufacture can be ramped up fairly fast.

Part of why it hasn't been used as a general purpose flu drug is that flu strains can evolve to become immune to it. But it could well become part of the tool kit to deal with the crisis now.

An older article on the drug
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/188766/flu-virus-could-evolve-resistance-pandemic/
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Guardian says it's not effective in severe cases, though? So not really useful right? Since we know the mild cases recover. Unless the severe cases are also containable when it's still mild.
 
zing said:
Guardian says it's not effective in severe cases, though? So not really useful right? Since we know the mild cases recover. Unless the severe cases are also containable when it's still mild.
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That's annoying, the additional quotes were not in the article when it first went up. Still, looks like it's better than nothing.
 
Projections in Iran are truly horrific:

 
Drawfull said:
Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared to a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.

In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.



As per The Guardian
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There's another drug been tested in Marseille, Plaquenil, which I believe was originally an anti-malaria drug which has also shown promising results. Like this it's an already existing drug, so you could imagine that production and supply could be ramped up. In fact the company behind it already offered millions of doses to the French Government to treat 300,000 patients. Link below (story in French though). Anyway news stories like this make me feel a little more positive about this whole thing.

https://www.letelegramme.fr/france/...que-juges-prometteurs-18-03-2020-12528286.php
 
I'll probably get flamed for this, but just an idea...

Assumptions;

- if you get it once you can't get it again
- Virtually zero chance we get a vaccine rolled out for 18months+
- 70%+ of us are getting this in the next two years anyway

Some sweeping assumptions there but If they are correct, and you are healthy and under 30 with the ability to work from home/self-isolate - doesn't it make sense to just get the virus to help us move closer to herd immunity?

If I was in that demographic and it was an option I'd consider it just so to decrease the chance I pass it to my folks within the next couple of years (and I can visit them without worrying about exposing them).

tldr young people should take one for the team and have Coronavirus parties
 
Croke Park drive-through test centre in Dublin:

 
Tarrou said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but just an idea...

Assumptions;

- if you get it once you can't get it again
- Virtually zero chance we get a vaccine rolled out for 18months+
- 70%+ of us are getting this in the next two years anyway

Some sweeping assumptions there but If they are correct, and you are healthy and under 30 with the ability to work from home/self-isolate - doesn't it make sense to just get the virus to help us move closer to herd immunity?

If I was in that demographic and it was an option I'd consider it just so to decrease the chance I pass it to my folks within the next couple of years (and I can visit them without worrying about exposing them).

tldr young people should take one for the team and have Coronavirus parties
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There's lots of reports of 20-40 year olds ending up critically ill and some people only finding out about their underlying condition thanks to the virus. Individually you might fancy your chances but there will be plenty of people where luck is not on their side.
 
Tarrou said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but just an idea...

Assumptions;

- if you get it once you can't get it again
- Virtually zero chance we get a vaccine rolled out for 18months+
- 70%+ of us are getting this in the next two years anyway

Some sweeping assumptions there but If they are correct, and you are healthy and under 30 with the ability to work from home/self-isolate - doesn't it make sense to just get the virus to help us move closer to herd immunity?

If I was in that demographic and it was an option I'd consider it just so to decrease the chance I pass it to my folks within the next couple of years (and I can visit them without worrying about exposing them).

tldr young people should take one for the team and have Coronavirus parties
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No one proved yet that you get immunity after being sick. There are some reported cases of being infected twice already, but those are questionable too.

Also, no one knows yet what it does long term to a patient, there are somw reports posted already from Italians that it's not good for your lungs by any means.
 
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