SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

How safe is it to be in outdoors areas that are empty, but have been busy throughout the day? Carparks, parks etc?

My 7 year old son is autistic and a keen skateboarder and needs exercise every day in order to stay calm etc, but I'm getting increasingly worried about taking him out at all - although he really needs it.

Again - Outdoor spaces that are empty but have been busy throughout the day. Yay or Nay?
I personally wouldn't worry, it's better for him to get the fresh air and exercise. Just sanitise his hands regularly whilst he's playing.
 
I get the production model. Still don’t see how this would shut it down. Certainly not any time soon.

Yep. I can see lots of products becoming unavailable, but no way a population-wide caloric deficit in a modern country, that would be ridiculous.

I always question the logic of average-earning people living in wealthy country like Portugal being concerned about food. If that were to ever happen, 90% of the world would have starved by then.
 
I personally wouldn't worry, it's better for him to get the fresh air and exercise. Just sanitise his hands regularly whilst he's playing.

I just worry about he virus still being present in the air where loads (hundreds) of people have been coughing throughout the day etc.

The main place we go to skate is a massive business park car-park after it's closed - there's a Costa coffee, Homebase, Poundland etc there and hundreds of people essentially come and go from there throughout the day, the area is completely outdoors and completely open but with the unknowns with this virus it just worries me that it could be blowing around there from all the passers though during the day.

It's a great place for him to be able to go and ride and he loves it, but I just don't wanna endanger the family, him and / or myself obviously.
 
I'm a self employed consultant, got word from the 2 companies that make up probably 80% of my earnings that my services won't be required in the short term (which will almost inevitably be long term too right)

Wife works at a small independent nursery, if the closure goes beyond 2 weeks which there's every chance it will the business will almost certainly fold, shes been on reduced hours all week as is as the owners been shitting it (understandably)

Anyone know industries where they might be hiring people? I've heard delivery driving might be the only options right now given the demand

Not sure if it's out there yet but Tesco are gearing up for a big recruitment drive for most job roles. Pretty much will take anyone who can prove their right to work. Albeit temp roles for most.
 
I just worry about he virus still being present in the air where loads (hundreds) of people have been coughing throughout the day etc.

The main place we go to skate is a massive business park car-park after it's closed - there's a Costa coffee, Homebase, Poundland etc there and hundreds of people essentially come and go from there throughout the day, the area is completely outdoors and completely open but with the unknowns with this virus it just worries me that it could be blowing around there from all the passers though during the day.

It's a great place for him to be able to go and ride and he loves it, but I just don't wanna endanger the family, him and / or myself obviously.

Checked some advice from official german government sources:
If it is empty, there is practically no chance to get infected just through the air.
So just make sure, that every time he has to touch the ground or something else, to sanitize his hands before he has a chance to touch his own face.
Same for you.
 
Again, you're making it sound like the majority of teachers are going to be sitting with their feet up. Fecking quit it because it's just plain insulting.

Exactly. Knowing a few teachers, they don’t even know what their situation is. Most think they’ll be in on Monday but a total lack of information.
 
Don't know if anyone raised this earlier in the thread, but it's been suggested that teachers could be asked to teach/look after the children of people working in essential/emergency services. That sounds like a great idea to me.

What are the logistics of that? Keeping schools open for a few kids? Then you need the cleaners, perhaps cook, and others which may not be possible. It’s very simple to say that, but I don’t see how it works. All the teachers I know are very concerned about kids who are ‘at risk’ through a number of circumstances but there is no information being fed through.
 
They’re being tested with mild symptoms as precaution and found out to have the virus. Regular folk with much worse symptoms are told to self-isolate without testing.

Proof? Oh right, there isn't any. Different countries have differing testing criteria. Some celebs are in a test anyone country place, others in a test only sick people place. @Grinner had it right with his facts only thread.
 
They take 8 weeks unpaid leave.

He’s also asked the government for a massive bailout.
C**t
They are better off being fired, then they can at least claim benefits.
So in short, he does not want to pay them, but still be contractual obliged to work for him when his businesses recover.
 
They’re being tested with mild symptoms as precaution and found out to have the virus. Regular folk with much worse symptoms are told to self-isolate without testing.
I know that, but these self isolating on tv seem to be all high spirits and not even coughing. It’s just strange to see
 
Again, you're making it sound like the majority of teachers are going to be sitting with their feet up. Fecking quit it because it's just plain insulting.

Think teachers will have more work than ever now, depending on the country ofcourse but the majority of them will switch in some form over to a different way of teaching, through other platforms. The whole system of teaching, exams etc will have to be revised and implimented, I don't envy them.
 
Because they have shedloads of money. Everything's more comfortable if you're rich.
True! But they could atleast cough Or look a little miserable if they’re showing symptoms enough to self isolate
 
I get the production model. Still don’t see how this would shut it down. Certainly not any time soon.
A knock on effect of the model is that there are relatively few contingencies in place, because the integrity of the chain is assumed to be maintained by competition in the market.

But if all suppliers are equally fecked and/or transit is compromised across the board, that's going to lead to shortages.

Supermarkets aren't as well known for their forward planning as the government is.
 
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Get a life

Excuse me?

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
 
Excuse me? Grow up mate.

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
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They take 8 weeks unpaid leave.

He’s also asked the government for a massive bailout.

Presumably the unpaid leave thing is billed as a implied threat of, take this, or we'll have to dish redundancies out?
Otherwise why on earth would you?
 
Excuse me? Grow up mate.

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.

Things like this are useful reminders that not everybody breathes memes.
 
But if all suppliers are equally fecked and/or transit is compromised across the board, that's going to lead to shortages.

We're months away from product shortages, most supply chains and production facilities won't grind to a halt during this.
 
Excuse me? Grow up mate.

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
He was parodying the reply from that Tory mp who was asked about surviving on benefit money.
 
Excuse me?

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
I feel for you, mate.

I know it's going to be difficult for many to swallow their pride on this, but I'd imagine that food banks are going to be popping soon.
 
@VorZakone I don't mean to be callous, but just because the numbers are so large and look scary, I just want to offer for perspective that about 1% of the population dies every year in developed nations. So almost 3 million Americans die each year, a majority due to illness/old age. When you compare the virus to WWII deaths it looks several times worse, but even during the war it's likely that more people died from non-war causes rather than the war (in the US, don't mean European countries).

I have parents in their 70s at home, I obviously want us to be safe as a society and am in favor of the current measures being taken in the US and elsewhere, and most of all wish that we'd get a better grip of the testing situation globally.
 
Presumably the unpaid leave thing is billed as a implied threat of, take this, or we'll have to dish redundancies out?
Otherwise why on earth would you?

Cnut of a man. At least people are calling him out on it for once. I hope he goes down the Philip Green route and shows himself in his true light when his employees needed him the most.
 
A knock on effect of the model is that there are relatively few contingencies in place, because the integrity of the chain is assumed to be maintained by competition in the market.

But if all suppliers are equally fecked and/or transit is compromised across the board, that's going to lead to shortages.

Supermarkets aren't as well known for their forward planning as the government is.

But why would all suppliers be simultaneously fecked/transit compromised? Sick employees? Seems heartless to say this but one thing we won’t be lacking in the coming months is people looking for work.

If anything, transit should run a little smoother than usual, seeing as the EU announced they will be passing legislation to prioritise food and medicine transit at all border crossings.