It’s 2020 - surely staying at home for a few weeks without getting bored couldn’t be any easier?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Its worth knowing what the numbers are, but I wouldn't advise anyone sit there and watch a counter go up, indicating someone in the globe has died because that sounds depressing as feck.
im inclined to agree. Hardly stranded in the desert
The last week hasn’t been bad at all. Plenty to do at home, I’m able to catch up on games, books and TV shows. Working from home has been fantastic, never realized I could be this efficient outside of office - even when it’s done I’m going to work from home at least 2 days a week. Shopping is pleasant as they don’t let many people inside the store and people usually come to buy supplies for 4-5 days, meaning there aren’t many people waiting anyway. I still get some fresh air as I have to walk the dog 3-4 times a day so that’s like 2 hours per day outside walking and listening to podcasts. I could carry on like that for months, having no sports to watch sucks but then again every Summer is like that and we get by. I miss being able to go grab a beer or dine out but I can survive without that for a while.
Yeah, agreed. It was just an observation... to see the number go up so quickly is disturbing.
Has anybody got any more information about some of the off-label usage of antivirals on Covid-19 patients?
Is there anything that has shown promise just yet?
Is there anything that has shown promise just yet?
It's not 2). We are basically not testing at all.
Our 3 year old daughter with 39,3 fever and dry cough was not able to get tested - and we live in the middle of Cologne, one of the hardest hit cities in Germany.
I personally think our gov is hiding stuff.
feck me, 13 doctors have died?
That kinda nails it home how deadly this is something we’re not being told.
I think all governments are hiding true nbers on this thing. I recieved a WhatsApp forward from a doctor working in chittagong, bangladesh. He said that in the last week alone there were 28 deaths linked with covid19 in the city of chittagong, but the official government number is 2 deaths total for the country.
To me, that’s the only thing that explains the death rate in Germany. They’re considering the death as from a pre-existing condition rather than from the virus that exacerbated it.
There is some suspicion that there are 2 strains and one is more deadly than the other but that doesn't explain Germany's data. A combination of mass testing (even if they are now short of test kits), good medical facilities and a disciplined population (sorry for the stereotyping but perhaps correct to some degree) is probably the main answer. If the death rate is only 3 times higher than the flu this is good news but bad news in that it teams the spread in places where poorer data exists is huge.
My cousin said Germany is restricting travel internally. Apparently Schleswig-Holstein recently closed their southern border. Not sure about the rest of the states.
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I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere in this thread - that exposure to 'high viral load' can lead to worse outcomes; in other words, doctors and healthcare professionals are at extra risk because they're likely to be exposed to more of the disease in one go. Again, don't quote me on that. @Arruda ? Maybe can tell us if it's bullshit.
Another possibility is that healthcare professionals in Italy are getting sick with Covid-19 but not stopping to rest up, they're under tremendous stress and are continuing to work when sick. But that's only a guess.
The one thing the Brits are really good at is keeping social distance, even when, ironically, crammed on to a tube train. We love our Englishman castles and try to avoid people whenever we can, even ones we know and see on the street / in shops. Obviously we're not total saddos and do go out shopping together, or pubs, cinema, etc.
But we're not continental folk. We don't search out people to share a chat and kisses on both cheeks. We don't have siesta time to spend hours in other people's company outside of work. This is not a slight on them, in fact it's a compliment to their excellent social skills. It just happens, the one thing we're inadvertantly good at is finally exactly what we need. Go hide in our rabbit holes.
I don't think Tamiflu did anything but there was a Japanese anti-viral that the Chinese said worked to some degree in a trail. They will be testing others that are being developed for Ebola and other viruses.
At this stage, it has to be worth trying.
I have read this is true but I don't have a good source. It also may be that medical professionals have a virtual 100% infection rate in some situations like in Italy, or inadequate PPE and/or they are very run down and exhausted making any illness worse.
I think our gov was hiding numbers to avoid panic in our population and to protect the economy. These were my thoughts 2 weeks ago already.
When France had 80+ deaths, we were still at 0, even though we were slighty ahead in infections. At the minute our gov started to act with some measures such as closing schools etc., our death toll has started to roll. Basically to show the population how serious it is now.
And now many people over here still don't take it serious and are thinking our gov is just trying to control them by taking their freedom away.
Some tough times ahead of us...
For better and for worse, I can't see Europe accepting this level of government oversight or that such oversight is even possible without an authoritarian state.
Either way it kind of blows apart the myth of its only old people that die.
Really shocking to hear 13 doctors have died, privately shed a tear there.
Exactly. I've been mentioning this to friends for a week or two, people losing their mind over 2000 cases or so in the UK. I would imagine that number is closer to 100,000, it's just not causing them any problems. Re-iterates the need for social distancing and protecting those that are vulnerable.
Some people in here and others on Facebook who can't tear themselves away from their precious pint in the local should take heed. It's not all about you.
day 10 of isolation and I’m spiraling truth be told. Moved to this country ten months ago so don’t have a lot of close friends here, so already had a bit of loneliness kicking in.
I have ps4/Netflix/books/work from home. But I’m crumbling here. I won’t go out with friends and put others at risk - following the gov advice here, but I’m spiraling
I have ps4/Netflix/books/work from home. But I’m crumbling here. I won’t go out with friends and put others at risk - following the gov advice here, but I’m spiraling
I think that viral load thing makes sense but haven't really looked into it. It's certainly a factor in other diseases.
I try not to look with too much detail into stories of doctors dying, it's a bit unnerving. I just try to learn how best to protect myself if (when, it seems) the time comes when my work will be needed. I'll also need to start looking more into the clinical aspects of it and learn all I can, and focus less on these social media and epidemiology, but these have been stress-relieving for me.
Yeah that they were unprepared, despite warnings and that now not nearly enough tests and labarotory capacity are available to do tests.
And with that the german government is more or less the same than most western democratic governments.
But the government is a mirror of its own population and society. We all were unprepared and couldn't imagine something like that. If the government had done something like travel restrictions half of the population and businesses would have gone to court, to claim their right to do business in China and to do skiing in Italy and Austria.
That is one of the main reasons why I think many asian societies were better prepared. They remebered the fear they had of SARS and MERS. For us (including me) that was something that was happening at the other end of the world.
The governments (and us) should have known better, but we didn't.
Harsh as it sounds, every society gets the politicians it deserves.
We humans are ingenious bastards when we're on the cusp of dying.
Not gonna lie - I think the US govt is doing something similar. They don’t know how big this is and are afraid of chaos if it gets out.
I'm quietly, very fecking quietly, optimistic we have a handle of things in Ireland.
550+ cases, shitloads of testing and still only 3 deaths. It will get worse but hopefully not Spain-esque.
I hope those cnuts who went to Cheltenham are made pariahs in their towns after all this.
550+ cases, shitloads of testing and still only 3 deaths. It will get worse but hopefully not Spain-esque.
I hope those cnuts who went to Cheltenham are made pariahs in their towns after all this.
And @hungrywing I agree, I really liked @Foxbatt 's contribution.
This really is full of stereotypes. We have never been 'mass testing'. In fact Germany is much more reactive than proactive compared to other european countries.
And our population is anything but disciplined. Just yesterday - in Cologne a City where gatheringsare forbidden, the police had to call off a 600(!!!) people gathering at the Rhine.
Thanks, and good luck to you!
It's easy to obsess over statistics, I've been trying ot get away from screens and doomsday simulations since this all went off, but it's hard because I'm a geek for stats; I tend to use them to try and reassure myself, I'm 35 next month and physically somewhat fit - but of course, social media is ablaze with the stories of those 0.2 percenters - the youngsters with no medical conditions ending up intubated and/or dying.
As @Camy89 points out - this thing is probably much more widespread than we give it credit for. It wouldn't surprise me if the UK is actually nearing 100k-500k cases. Which in itself is reassuring, because it probably means the CFR is much lower than the official number as of now.
I don't know, during the blitz the UK had people walking through streets physically enforcing window blackouts. When it's a case of survival, we'll listen to any type of authority.
I read somewhere that they've have been using them in combination. There's slight dubiety whether ritonavir/lopinavir (anti HIV medication) has a mortality benefit. Oseltamivir (tamiflu) I think has been used in conjunction with something else that may have helped also, unsure what it was and can't find any links, sorry. I would take what I've said with a significant pinch of salt until something crops up in a well-regarded journal.
To be honest in a city of more than 1 million, with half of the population at the moment having nothing to do and the first days of spring arriving 600 people at the Rhine are nothing.
Yeah they should know better and it is unacceptable. But people are people......
Ain't no virus that would keep me from a nice glass of kölsch along the Rhine, either!
No this is not similar to WW2 or the Holocaust
Jesus fecking Christ.
Interesting read about the azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine. I'm hesitant to get too excited at the moment. The sample size of COVID patients was 20 v 16 control (extremely small) and they'd already lost 6 of their hydroxychloroquine patients - 3 of them requiring ITU transfer and 1 dying.
P values are statistically significant however, but I'm not great with stats. I'm unsure how significant a P value of <0.05 is in a cohort of 20 people is?
Interesting to keep an eye on