Staff, toilet cleaners, security, groundsmen, etc, etc.
To put on the PL 92 games would mean 10000 testing kits alone, and we can't get kits as it is at the moment.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
- Thread starter Tarrou
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
To put on the PL 92 games would mean 10000 testing kits alone, and we can't get kits as it is at the moment.
Sheffield United also have Lundstram. So key defender and goalje?
Chelsea have Willian, Pedro and Giroud all for June 2020.
Or to put it another way, 3 of the 4 goalscorers in their recent game v Everton (PL) and 1 of the 2 goalscorers v Liverpool (Cup).
(Edit. Bournemouth seem to have a few including Wilson and Fraser. Affects relegation too?)
Last edited:
Well, I´m not a lawyer, but there is something called "Good Faith", which implies "The general obligation of both parties in a contract to live up to the spirit as well as the technical requirements of their agreement."
These things are not cut in wood, though, and it´s always a matter of definition. I guess the General Secretary´s point is that this is a case where one could argue for it. But as I said, I´m not a lawyer.
Would be insane to resume the league under these circumstances.
I think the racists need to wait till next season to end the wait.
I think the racists need to wait till next season to end the wait.
Which is all well and good so what if the season doesn't restart until January? Plus I would be surprised if you can apply good faith in terms of contract length, added to the fact that British law doesn't recognise good faith formally, in fact it is one of our defining differences, we are based on a more adversarial contract law.
Priceless. A Liverpool fan lecturing me about sanctimony. The most self-regarding fanbase ever. Very funny, mate. And no, there's nothing hypocritical or "faux" whatsoever about being perfectly sincere as I was in my post that seems to have got your panties in a wad while also finding it almost cosmically funny that Liverpool could be denied a title they frankly deserve (yes, you got your wish: Liverpool with a true moral victory at last, no matter how this plays out!). You are arguing in bad faith if you think I didn't mean every word of what I wrote, and you are missing the side issue of how almost surreal it would seem, especially in the wake of beachballgate and the Slip and Crystanbul. I don't think you quite grasp how funny we find these incidents while being worried and devastated by how this pandemic is playing out in the far bigger world outside of football. It's possible to be distraught over something while also amused by a satirical offshoot of that thing: hence the popularity of the likes of Spitting Image even though many of us were grieving the mining communities in the eighties. Go further back and you'll find Chaplin taking the piss out of Hitler. You saying he was hypocritical too? We can walk and chew gum at the same time, in other words.
'Embarrased'.
Again, Liverpool fans on a Manchester United forum claiming United fans are on their high horses while advocating for their own club and no one else; you couldn't make it up. We're actually trying to imagine a way that hurts the fewest numbers, and many of us are willing to sacrifice our momentum and the likelihood of top four and two trophies to ensure this works for the majority and doesn't involve placing more people at risk of contracting the virus than necessary. No, we're not considering Liverpool Football Club's needs as the priority here, and why should we? The fact that you're still here on a Manchester United forum shamelessly arguing for special treatment for your club (and don't deny it, as you're not exactly advocating for the same treatment of Leeds or Celtic, etc.) despite perfectly reasonable arguments for voiding a season in which United were ascendant (again, try denying that we were the form team at the point the pandemic shut everything down while your lot had lost three out of their last four matches) says it all.
If you don't like these stark truths, you don't need to be here. I personally enjoy the contribution of Liverpool fans, but this is a bridge too far and is quite gross. And if you can't see that, then I rest my case.
Ive got two things I want to do today.
Make sure my dog is walked, fed and watered and finish my mission on GTA. By your logic me even thinking about the latter means I don't care if my dog starves/dehydrates to death.
Infact by the same logic none of us should have got into football in the first place on moral grounds, unless you believe no one in the world died in the timeframe you were celebrating United's 99 treble or 08 double?
Unless people are actively wanting the league to restart at the expense of life (which not a single person has said or even implied) then what is the harm on discussing the possibilities? Especially for the organisers who will need to put provisions in place for when the time comes (cases go down to the point it's safe enough to give a restart a go).
Because a global pandemic with some of the strictest measures the country has ever seen in peacetime is quite common isn't it. Happens every day....
But he's implying people are morally corrupt even discussing football because people are tragically dying, if that's the stance you're going to take then it has to be all in or not atall.
People are allowed to care for life and want football back, it's not mutually exclusive.
again the focus is just on the PL and not the football league - there is an assumption here that clubs will want to extend the contracts of players.
lower league clubs will routinely have 6-12 of their first team squad out of contract. They need now to start cutting these players as they are bleeding money every day. Come 30 June there will be a raft of players who will no longer be attached to clubs, even if you extend the season. It will be farcical and certainty there will be no integrity of competition.
I have to say I don’t e joy these posters.
I think any Liverpool fans in the newbies or who have been posting less than a year (or other arbitrary cut off) should be banned and removed from the site.
Far too many of them are parasites that have no comprehension of the wider picture. Their constant bleating about how the league should be finished to suit them and contorting everything to fit the scenario of Liverpool winning the league is quite frankly repulsive.
why they feel the need to push their ideologies on a Utd forum is beyond me. Clearly it’s not every liverpool fan, but the ones who are consistently posting in this thread should be ashamed of themselves - but they won’t be as they completely lack any form of self awareness.
I agree although It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be.
Its black and white if people are saying (paraphrasing) "feck life I want football back at all costs", something I haven't even seen implied as much as once on any platform, not even Twitter. Ofcourse LFC fans want this season to resume when it's safe to do, are you (or any United fan) saying that wouldn't have been your preference had this happened in 93 or 99? It certainly would have been mine in 17, 05 and especially 03 (where a void would have financially crippled us permanently). At the expense of life no, but definitely priority ahead of the following season.
People are universally in agreement that football should return only when it's safe so these regular rants that anyone discussing football is some sort of reborn Fred West are as silly as they are bizzare, and that's before I mention this is a thread specifically dedicated to the impact Covid19 is having on the game.
People presumably get flamed for over exaggerating just like you’re doing, equating advocating the return of football to murder.
It’s obviously not. Any rational person can recognise this. You’re coming across like anybody that disagrees with you must think this which is simply not true.
No you missed the point. The post was simply pointing out that the situation is so dire here in the UK (estimations of over a thousand deaths per day later this week, and the real possibility of introducing medical advice to withdraw treatment from hopeless cases as a form of rationing), that if those pushing for football in this "baby want!" manner are fully aware then they have their priorities fecked.
And if this wasn't actually being implied then I'm implying it now.
Care and talk about what you want but also take this thing seriously for feck sake. Fecking Virus Village.
Vanrouge said:
So great of you to sacrifice your (at the moment quite small) chances at trophies and momentum. I don't see any other fans from clubs still in a cup competition proclaiming how amazing they are because they're willing to forego their chance to win it. Just for the record, I'm more than willing to not resume the league anymore if it means less deaths because of the virus. It shouldn't even be said, that's just being a decent human being.I never said that, so who are you arguing against here?
Again, I never said or even argued we should get special treatment, so don't put words in my mouth.
Never said there weren't reasonable arguments for voiding the season, but it's premature at this point. And there are perfectly reasonable arguments to finish the season as well, I respect either side of the argument.
Then please do, mate. Your post is an absolute car crash which didn't respond to any of my arguments but you took the wrong conclusions (or deliberately put words in my mouth) to continue your little rant about how you're sacrificing so much when the season would be voided but even then you'd still want that option. It's laughable because you're sacrificing nothing else than some hypothetical scenarios. Have a good day.
Thank you that was my exact point. Feel like people on here deliberately misreading and twisting things so they can go on bizarre rants for what reason I've no idea. But there's plenty in here who have been posting sheer nonsense for ages now.
I never said that, so who are you arguing against here?
Again, I never said or even argued we should get special treatment, so don't put words in my mouth.
Never said there weren't reasonable arguments for voiding the season, but it's premature at this point. And there are perfectly reasonable arguments to finish the season as well, I respect either side of the argument.
Then please do, mate. Your post is an absolute car crash which didn't respond to any of my arguments but you took the wrong conclusions (or deliberately put words in my mouth) to continue your little rant about how you're sacrificing so much when the season would be voided but even then you'd still want that option. It's laughable because you're sacrificing nothing else than some hypothetical scenarios. Have a good day.
We're 12 weeks from the 1st July, you're argument is dead in the water.
Good thing the deadline got postponed until August 3 then.
Ah yes, the expectation that the virus doesn’t have a long tail and contracts will not end...
Excellent retort
I actually have some respect for your posts, but whilst you are saying noone is calling for people to put at risk, that is exactly what people are calling for. These ideas of "lockdown villages", of behind closed doors games (which is different to training in pairs for any doubt), or any such nonsense before we see a massive change in the number of cases is ludicrous and is literally putting lives in danger. Add into that fact that just by having 92 games on, needing 1000s of testing kits, where if someone tests as positive you rely on them reporting and not coming to work, etc, etc. Its a recipe for multiple contracting this disease. Further weigh in with the fact that when you do this you open up holes in policing, and expose the NHS potentially further and you are talking about the potential to at least indirectly commit lives and the well being of people and their family in favour of a much smaller number of fans (including, us , Leeds, etc).
Also add in that if we make this a priority ahead of next season we will see EFL teams going out of business, but yeah feck them because they aren't the PL, and its clear people only care about the one thing. Thats what grates on a lot of people here.
I never said that, so who are you arguing against here?
Again, I never said or even argued we should get special treatment, so don't put words in my mouth.
Never said there weren't reasonable arguments for voiding the season, but it's premature at this point. And there are perfectly reasonable arguments to finish the season as well, I respect either side of the argument.
Then please do, mate. Your post is an absolute car crash which didn't respond to any of my arguments but you took the wrong conclusions (or deliberately put words in my mouth) to continue your little rant about how you're sacrificing so much when the season would be voided but even then you'd still want that option. It's laughable because you're sacrificing nothing else than some hypothetical scenarios. Have a good day.
You NEVER seem to say anything.
Your memory must be faltering.
Imagine a player getting injured (which is what happens when you rush games) playing closed doors Premier League to satisfy the insatiable money-hungry modern-day football clubs, and then needing a NHS medic to assist him on the ground, needing a NHS vehicle to drive him up to the hospital, NHS radiologists and physicians to diagnose his problem, NHS anaesthetists and surgeons to operate on the injury, NHS nurses and physicians to take care of him during his hospital stay, and the end of the day contracting COVID-19 from the corona-hotspot, the NHS hospitals.
That would be hilarious.
Or farcical.
Or foolhardy.
Or wrathful.
You can choose your adjective.
That would be hilarious.
Or farcical.
Or foolhardy.
Or wrathful.
You can choose your adjective.
Which deadline is this?
Was reported in Dutch press yesterday that the deadline to finish national leagues was extended from 30 June until 3 August, here is an English-written article about it. I think it all stems from this Tweet:
However, I don't see the "August 3 deadline" anywhere mentioned in the tweet nor the full statement, I think that was communicated by ZDF (usually quite reliable if I'm not mistaken) or the KNVB (Dutch FA).
That is the problem with a few opposing fans posts. When you question the basis of evidence Its empty
No you didn’t; there is no reference to 3rd August, and the post is a recommendation and admission process for next season’s uefa club comps will be redefined.
Like I said empty
Last edited by a moderator:
Even though I just provided an article literally stating what I referenced to.
Cheers to be honest though I’m a bit sceptical of these announcements from UEFA and the PL/FA they don’t seem too positive.
Seems like they’re just kicking the can down the road and hoping things get better quickly. They could also be just softening the blow in stages.
Are training grounds closed in the UK? Here in Italy they all are, and the closure was extended to mid April at the earliest. If players are not allowed to do anything but run on a treadmill and whatever else they can do inside their own homes, they will need at least a week or two to get their conditioning back. They cannot be rushed straight back into top level games.
Things have to get to a stage where it's so bad that it is no longer salvageable before they even start to think about announcing any cancelling of competitions. Most of us here can see it could end up that way, but the mass public don't seem to have that knowledge yet. Cancelling football now could cause riots on the streets or celebrations depending on which club you support Obviously the hope is that all of the projections are wrong.
Obviously the hope is that all of the projections are wrong.Adolf Hitler ? Charlie Chaplin ? beachballgate ? WTF are you on about fellah ? You managed to say quite a lot in your post without actually saying anything at all. Let me just put it in a way that maybe you, & others, will understand:
United supporter 1 - ' Those horrible scouse fans, people are dying in their thousands & all they're bothered about is winning a poxy league title'
United supporter 2 - 'There's thousands of people dying but at least we can laugh at those horrible scouse fans because this virus could wreck their chances of winning the title
'So there's the hypocrisy I'm talking about. Surely if you can laugh at the possibility of us not winning the league, then we should be able to discuss why we feel we will eventually end up as champions without the regular demonizing us as heartless twats. Then you have the strawman arguments I've alluded to. A perfect example is people claiming that United have a lot to lose too by voiding the season when it's quite obvious they'd happily settle for another season of no CL just to see us thwarted in our quest to win the league. We can also throw in the double standards too. Lots of efforts being made on here by United fans to convince themselves, & the rest, that voiding the season asap is the right way forward. But again, we all know that if Manchester United were 25 points clear at this point in the season then the attitudes on here would be totally different.
Looking forward to you telling me why I'm wrong. Just do us all a favour though & cut out the un-necessary waffle.
So why the rush to void the league then if you think there's no chance of European football ?
Not really healthy to already apply such pressure for the season to be completed tbh.
So why are you posting on a football forum then if you can't be arsed with football ? & aren't you being a little premature with this 'LFC are not going to get the title'. Has anyone of any importance at the FA or PL actually even hinted at voiding the season ? The Mancunian meltdown would be something else if at the end of all this the Premier League ends up in the Anfield trophy room. I'll try do my best not to laugh though. But I can't promise anything.
Belgian Premier League won't continue. It needs to be confirmed but all newspapers are running the story, about 30 minutes ago. No teams will go down, 2 will get promoted. Club Brugge are the champions.
They most probably have, otherwise they wouldn't be considering it.