SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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That's the frightening thing about exponential growth.
Feck.
.Thinking of the people of France but fear that we are not far behind you.
Kin ell, so lockdown is working, not working or just as it seems everywhere right now, impossible to say as we just have no idea how infected all of Europe was on the 9th March 2020?
I can’t get my head around the numbers still coming out of Italy so long after such strict measures were put into place.
28.5%. You are technically right.
They're at the peak, it should decrease from next week. The numbers will remain more or less stable. The same thing will happen with Spain soon.
It would be much worse without lockdown.
No, today it's 471 but we now have the amount of none hospitalized people that died in care homes since the beginning of the epidemy which is 884.
I actually misread. Thought it said from 79 to 356. My bad!
I'm sure I heard a report last week that said the North calming down (relatively) but rest of country picking up. So, total country's figures stil! rising
Thank feck, sorry if alarmed anybody
Lockdowns were too late imho. As we’ve seen from the spring break model, infected travel far and wide very quickly. The fact that people were still flying here there and everywhere, going on cruises, holidays, sporting events.. it’s just everywhere. Europe totally underestimated it
I hear you on the ”peak” thing, but an explaination if possible... where are these new cases catching the virus 3.5 weeks after full lockdown?
Is there something I’m missing?
We're trying to get to the situation where infection rate levels off. This thing needs to plateau before it can start to drop and when it drops it wont be off a cliff.
No doubt about that, we massively underestimated it.
So many lessons will be learned when this is over.
Before they initiated the lockdown in the north, a large number of people went down to the towns where they grew up in the south because "m'uh rights!".
I still don't get how Turkey didn't get the virus earlier. Istanbul airport is fecking big and I don't understand how it would spread sooner in Italy than in Istanbul for example?
For comparision, Malpensa airport in Milano had 28 mil passangers last year, Ataturk Airport had 68 mil in 2018.
Same can be said for USA though.
Can you answer the question above yours?
Are we saying that people are getting infected in the home from already infected house mates or?
I'm guessing that it has to do with it starting in the north and everyone escaping to the south when the government started talking about lockdowns.
So the south is a few weeks behind the north and also poorer, so it might end up even worse there although you'd hope lessons were learnt from the north.
Well you have thousands of people that caught it during the handful of the days prior to the lockdown, these people aren't necessarily living alone or totally isolated, so between the incubation period and the first symptoms they most likely contaminated a handful of people who are only going to show signs this week and next.
So people took it from the North to the South 3.5 weeks ago and are infecting family & housemates on lockdown?
The majority of people don't live on their own they live in a family unit.
Secondly manufacturing didn't close down until last week so people were still going in to work in an environment where it was impossible for them to keep a 2m distance. That's still happening here.
That’s been my worry all along. I just think it’ll find a way to keep getting past on this bastard.
I have just below and the answer is yes. Also people were still working in non essential jobs up until last week.
It did hit Turkey sooner, which is what I've been saying all along. There are direct flights from Wuhan to Istanbul. In fact - and it's all information in Turkish and I'm only hearing it second hand but will throw it out there anyway - there is now a belief that it hit Turkey as soon as December.
As for the lack of deaths, the rates of people dying from illnesses like pneumonia remained stable, meaning no alarm bells were sounded. As for why there aren't an exponential increase in deaths right now, this country's health service is actually quite good (better than the UK and Spain, in my opinion) but perhaps I'll be proven wrong if there is a sudden jump.
This isn't going away easy.
Yes, that the late lockdowns will probably have effect after around month, and not 14 days, but even that could be questionable if not enough people was tested at begginging of the lockdown, considering the households and the virus spreading exponentially.
The news of the next-day lockdown was leaked somehow, if I recall. In one day, loads and loads of people travelled down the country.
The other problem is that there's massive poverty and few decent hospitals in the southern regions. It's like a different country to the north.
Because the figures have been representative of the testing being done and not actual cases for weeks now.
Yep, now nothing makes sense for me. There is simply no way that it didn't affect Turkey in December already, or January the latest considering how easy it spreads in Europe even during lockdowns, and considering the number of tourists in Istanbul, and especially having the direct flight to Wuhan.
Also, there is really no way that the Turkey wouldn't notice these cases earlier. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Oh Jesus is this the only kind of test available?
I thought there was a blood test...?
I thought there was a blood test...?
Watched a Sky News hour long feature from Italy. Bleak viewing, especially how people can't say goodbye to their loved one.
The drop off in cases is a lot slower than the upslope, but it is now clearly slowing down. Most of the cases now are family infections as it moves through each household that has it.
I wanna be optimistic but worried it’s a little soon for that, there were a couple of good days there but the yesterday and today look a little worrisome again.
Let’s hope tomorrow is a better figure.
Oh Jesus is this the only kind of test available?
I thought there was a blood test...?
So to test if you are positive/negative for Coronavirus requires a PCR test with a swab sample from the nasal cavity.
To test if you have antibodies (hence possible immunity to Coronavirus) requires an ELISA test, which is done from blood.
Oh Jesus is this the only kind of test available?
I thought there was a blood test...?
That is an antibody test to see if you have had it. It can't tell if you currently have it.
At least you'll know that you are not a Westworld host.
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What's wrong with today? It's been 4000 something new cases for 4 days now, when for the previous 10 days it was 5/6000 a day.
There is also a surge in cases in the South from all the travel and the fact they dont listen to anything the government tells them. Lombardy is dropping daily now.
Yes. What was localised, has become more widespread. A much larger population of people being infected at a much slower rate. The fact the daily number of cases isn’t increasing is actually quite impressive.
Could any shed some light on this? Is this legit? Have seen few articles mentioning that.
Countries that mandate TB vaccine are seeing fewer coronavirus deaths
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-vaccine-tb-deaths/amp/
Countries that mandate TB vaccine are seeing fewer coronavirus deaths
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-vaccine-tb-deaths/amp/