SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

JMack1234 said:
Woah.

I'm watching Sky News at the US is unveiling plans re-opening of society. Not putting anything too specific date wise for obvious reasons, just letting the citizens what the plan is.

I'm absolutely staggered. I know it shouldn't be but I live in the UK and have been told ad nauseam by our most esteemed health secretary (and others to be fair to old Hancock) that the mere mention of an exit strategy isn't okay. In fact today Matt looked was getting quite chippy at those journalists daring to ask about such a strategy.
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Look at there leader in a week he’ll call that fake news and deny it being on the agenda
 
christy87 said:
Look at there leader in a week he’ll call that fake news and deny it being on the agenda
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Maybe, Trump is a total clown.

However, at the very least the US government has the decency to tell their citizens what the plan is.
 
sullydnl said:
Unless clapping can bring a health service back to life a la Tinkerbell, promising not to vote Tory again would be a far more useful thing to do for the NHS.

But of course that won't happen. So frontline healthcare staff will have to make do with applause until this crisis is over, at which point they'll go back to being as underappreciated as they normally are.
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The Tories run a good PR campaign, and the Labour party has been split for years, do you really think the general public (who are idiots) would vote for someone like Corbyn?

Labour need to get their act together before you can start blaming the public - if they do get their act together and the public still vote Tory, then you can complain.
 
4bars said:
Someone from the U.S. knows if the 22 million people that lost their employment are still covered in case they get COVID-19? or the white house/states have nothing planned on that?
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Yes, the White House specifically said that coronavirus treatment would be covered by the stimulus package.

There are also state plans for low cost or completely free. A relative who lost his job, was able to enroll for Medicaid and Blue Cross Blue Shield for free in early despite being it past enrollment phase. He's effectively got full coverage, zero deductibles! (which is what Bernie was advocating all along).

Just as I'm typing this, the city is clapping for HCW

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sammsky1 said:
This is what my friend wrote:

In as much as I thought full lockdown was the only way, I have now realised how lucky we are to live in a country where the government is actually on top of things and it’s working.

Shutting down international travel and quarantining incoming passengers, school from home, social distancing and WFH, and businesses like takeaways and (critically) Bunnings remaining open has been effective. Yes, it’s trying to be home based but we still get to buy our creature comforts. We can’t hang with our friends and families but we get to do driveway drinks with our neighbours. We’ve had to cancel things like our wedding but can still go outside to exercise and in our areas to swim in the ocean.

As it stands we’ve avoided the health system crisis that other countries have faced. In addition the government support of small business and individuals is not something I’ve ever seen in my life.

Today I am feeling encouraged. There is talk of relaxing some restrictions in coming weeks too, and kids going back to school.
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That isn't a bad summary although keeping schools open has been very confusing and has had a horrible impact on teachers. They say schools shouldn't remain closed (which they aren't but want to be) and then threaten defunding for not complying, which they are even if the vast msjority of kids are learning st home (also as per government advice).

What is causing the mixed messages is the government wants to defund public education but it is the private sector (who the PM loves) who don't want to open as their students generally all have Macs, broadband connections and often a non-working parent at home. It is messing with his mind and he doesn't cope with criticism or non-compliance very well (plus he has the empathy of a rock) as we saw with his woeful performance with the bushfires.

The worst outcome of this is that this terrible government may get away with their incompetence. They were handling the economy badly but can now blame Covid-19.
 
Wibble said:
he doesn't cope with criticism or non-compliance very well (plus he has the empathy of a rock)
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I don’t follow Australian politics at all but Bunnings sounds like Trump?!

I do love Masterchef Australia though and am delighted it’s back and watching it very morning, after I download episode from night before!
 
Meanwhile ..... claps for the queen?
(not sure what thread this belongs to, but it's comedy gold .... read the comments!!!)



Fogle then throws his kid under the bus, which totally backfires :lol:

 
JMack1234 said:
Woah.

I'm watching Sky News at the US is unveiling plans re-opening of society. Not putting anything too specific date wise for obvious reasons, just letting the citizens what the plan is.

I'm absolutely staggered. I know it shouldn't be but I live in the UK and have been told ad nauseam by our most esteemed health secretary (and others to be fair to old Hancock) that the mere mention of an exit strategy isn't okay. In fact today Matt looked was getting quite chippy at those journalists daring to ask about such a strategy.
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UK government went from herd immunity to total lockdown. Complete nonsense
 
feck me. Just noticed the mortality rate in Italy is 15%.
They have done 20k tests /million as well, which is pretty decent..
Must be pretty widespread and have a lot lot more undetected cases..
 
Suedesi said:
Gilead up big, and stock futures up 3% on reports ths\at Gilead drug showing effectiveness treating coronavirus
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Con’t

I am skeptical of clinical trials showing promising results headlines as thereis no control group in the critical study, but these are unprecedented times so I’ll have a drink to any glimmer of positive news!
 
gormless said:
As a Police officer in a large town of over one hundred and fifty thousand people in the UK, I have started work on the morning where there were 4 officers. Me, a pregnant lady who was desk bound, and two new starters, who weren't allowed to drive. We couldn't have locked down a single street in the worse areas, especially with the softly softly approach we have been instructed to take.
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Isn't that the plot to Assault on Precinct 13?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Bolsanovo (can't be arsed checking the spelling so I also like to call him Shit Face) has fired his health minister for saying they need to enact social distancing. This piece of shit is going to be responsible for untold deaths. I didn't think you could find a scummier person than Trump during all of this but there you go.
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Shitface is fine. Dickhead, knob and mass murderer are all also acceptable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52316150
 
JMack1234 said:
Woah.

I'm watching Sky News at the US is unveiling plans re-opening of society. Not putting anything too specific date wise for obvious reasons, just letting the citizens what the plan is.

I'm absolutely staggered. I know it shouldn't be but I live in the UK and have been told ad nauseam by our most esteemed health secretary (and others to be fair to old Hancock) that the mere mention of an exit strategy isn't okay. In fact today Matt looked was getting quite chippy at those journalists daring to ask about such a strategy.
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Yeah but the US is led by a madman who is thinking of nothing bar how quickly he can get his businesses open again. I wouldn’t use the US as a barometer
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
No it's true, basically. It's the perfect storm for their government because they've got a very manageable population in terms of they live in these singular buildings plus those same people have been more or less indoctrinated since birth to obey everything they are told without question. Very easy population to manage which to be honest, in a situation like this it's probably for the best.
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Let me just tell you this is not true in the slightest.If you lived here you would know it. I've never seen people break or try to cheat their way around rules as much as you see here. :lol:

The roads are total mayhem and people are constantly smoking inside public buildings etc which really grinds me gears and that is just the start of it. It's 100% about enforcement of the law here. If a law is not strictly enforced then it may as well not exist as people would have no respect for it whatsoever.

In the case of the virus, its a mixture of people having memory of past outbreaks and so choosing to take it seriously themselves (wearing masks, social distancing) and the measures against the virus being enforced seriously. Your point about it being easier to lock down is a good one because like you say a couple of blokes at the complex gate can lock down hundreds.

Edit: Apologies I see that you lived in a Chinese city before so its interesting how are experiences are totally different. You must surely have seen the things that I mentioned. Like ignoring rules on smoking indoors and driving like maniacs?
 
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sammsky1 said:
I don’t follow Australian politics at all but Bunnings sounds like Trump?!

I do love Masterchef Australia though and am delighted it’s back and watching it very morning, after I download episode from night before!
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Bunnings is a DIY store.

Scott Morrison is the PM. He likes the nickname SCOMO but everyone now calls him Scotty From Marketing, which he hates, after his pathetic showing in the bush fires. The only good thing you can say about him is that he isn't as pure evil as Peter Dutton.
 
Wibble said:
Bunnings is a DIY store.

Scott Morrison is the PM. He likes the nickname SCOMO but everyone now calls him Scotty From Marketing, which he hates, after his pathetic showing in the bush fires. The only good thing you can say about him is that he isn't as pure evil as Peter Dutton.
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:lol: :lol::lol::lol:
told you I don't follow Aussie politics! :D:wenger:
 
ROFLUTION said:
I dont know if this has been posted about the wuhan virology lab where the virus might have originated from, but this covering up / non transparency from China is very shady. Even Macron is out to say something fishy is going on

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
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Firstly, it‘s an opinion piece. Secondly, even the article admits „there is no evidence that the virus now plaguing the world was engineered; scientists largely agree it came from animals“. Finally, coming from a country that’s losing it‘s credibility in the rest of the world by the hour — talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Still, I wouldn‘t rule out anything shady by any government of any country worldwide.
 
Sad Chris said:
Firstly, it‘s an opinion piece. Secondly, even the article admits „there is no evidence that the virus now plaguing the world was engineered; scientists largely agree it came from animals“. Finally, coming from a country that’s losing it‘s credibility in the rest of the world by the hour — talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Still, I wouldn‘t rule out anything shady by any government of any country worldwide.
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There is a great deal of evidence that it isn't manufactured I believe.
 
Sad Chris said:
Evidence that the virus was engineered in a lab? That would be new to me. Care to share?
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That it wasn't manufactured at a lab. Early on various labs looked at the virus and concluded it wasn't manufactured. I don't have the link to hand but it seemed fairly definitive.
 
Josep Dowling said:
I’m not religious myself and think the idea of prayer is a waste of time but don’t you think people use it as a coping mechanism? It might seem like bollocks to you but if someone wants to prayer what exactly is the issue?




There is a whole host of regulars posting the same thing on this thread. Why don’t you just open a new thread called ‘I hate tories’.
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They can do as they wish and I am free to point out how silly it is. It’s important to highlight because tokenism is frequently offered up in place of affirmative action which is just infuriating.

There is a lot of anti-Conservative sentiment because they’re a dreadful rabble and in a healthy democracy, governments should be scrutinised and held to account. The action of governments across the globe is a key element of the Covid-19 debate.
 
Sad Chris said:
Firstly, it‘s an opinion piece. Secondly, even the article admits „there is no evidence that the virus now plaguing the world was engineered; scientists largely agree it came from animals“. Finally, coming from a country that’s losing it‘s credibility in the rest of the world by the hour — talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Still, I wouldn‘t rule out anything shady by any government of any country worldwide.
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Okay, but is it not shady the measures China has taken to not speak about the Wuhan labs? You know, like a normal cicilized country would and should do to get to the bottom of how it originated? Instead China now is washing hands, and have good opportunities to buy up large lums of shares in European companies in a general transparent union like the EU.

They've done unethical experiments - we cant just rule it out. Instead we get no picture about it at all. I of course, like you, also loathe american cover ups and crappy US ruling, but that does not make it OK for China to not shine a light on the issue

And dont dismiss the article as just an opinion piece. It states facts and reports from earlier years over raised concern. Some of it is surely opinion, but the article ALSO says it is not certain that it came from the lab. So it's not like its just a pro American agenda. More like a healthy critical journalist angle. With China, you always need someone to ask serious questions as they operate very much under the radar.
 
Prometheus said:
The odds of dying on a plane are 1 in 5 million, according to Google. Covid 19 kills 1 in 500 young people. That's 1000x the odds!



No, the worst case scenario would be hit if it killed minimum 1400+ people every day for a year without fail!

And that's not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.

You're talking about the peak as if it were some unique point. It's just a point at which current numbers appear to be plateauing due to the measures in place. I keep seeing this misunderstanding everywhere, including the media. If you remove the measures after observing a reduction in the number of cases and deaths, then it's likely that you will see a rise again, hitting another peak.

For the record I completely appreciate the fact that economy will suffer, and that long-term lock down isn't sustainable.

I just simply can't see any solutions. I pretty much think we're "doomed" (to barrow the word from the complaints about doom-mongering in this thread).
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The horses are way out of the barn now. If only they had taken it seriously early back in January and then executed a containment strategy and their measures instead of shaking hands.

So there are only two solutions left:

1) Herd immunity
2) Hyper containment -- you test every single person once every three weeks or a month then isolate or hospitalise them if required.

Both are unrealistic due to costs.

Natural thing left is mitigation. I can only see a whack a mole scenario going forward till past 2021 or early 2022. The vaccine ain't expected to be ready till Mid-2021. But then there is the issue of supplies and the distribution of the vaccine. Not everyone can get vaccinated all the same time. It will be rolled out gradually.
 
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