Yes, and you have absolutely no biases at all.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Yes, and you have absolutely no biases at all.
They still happened, they would be remembered in history they just wouldn’t be considered competitive matches anymore.
Yeah following some of the logic on here they’d have to be. Also all the bus/train companies and hotels would also have to refund the fans their transport and accommodation costs as apparently the matches wouldn’t have actually happened.
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I haven't considered football to be a big part of my life for about a decade or so to be honest. It is what it is, for me, a pasttime. I would rather it was here, but I haven't massively missed it to be honest.
I hope that’s the stage I’ve reached – a pastime. Have spent far too much time and energy getting stressed about something that is fundamentally unimportant. It’s mad, really
Ah, so it's not just me. Thought my smilies were greyed out in prep of a banning.
Aha, it just worked. Type colon then two letters of the smilie (if you can remember what they were called. Trying to figure out the jizz one) it auto fills the rest of the name.
Good post and I agree . People are dying in huge numbers the economy is going to be shattered yet some people still are worrying if a football season will be finished . We are 5th with a huge chance of CL football next season yet I couldn't care less what happens next year as long as people are healthy and we are free from this virus
It is suspected that a single Champions League match, played in February in Milan and involving Atalanta and Valencia, was solely responsible in triggering the spread of Coronavirus in Italy and later in Spain, two countries which have been hit hard both in the number of contagions and in the number of deaths.
Until that game, the whole world was taking its time in implementing measures to combat the disease, perhaps still believing that it would blow over without too much damage
Until that game, the whole world was taking its time in implementing measures to combat the disease, perhaps still believing that it would blow over without too much damage
I hope that’s the stage I’ve reached – a pastime. Have spent far too much time and energy getting stressed about something that is fundamentally unimportant. It’s mad, really
It really is, though. It's a pasttime. Always has been for me, since I passed the age of say 16 and realised I was never going to make it as a professional footballer and reverted to just being a viewer. When you're a teen/youngster, it is LIFE, mainly because a lot of us fantasised about it becoming our life in reality. I never understand these 'United, Kids, Wife, in that order' type of fan - grow up, there's way more to life than watching a bunch of millionaires you will never, ever know on a personal level kick a ball around in a certain colour of shirt. I know that banner is tongue-in-cheek but that type of bloke exists and there's a lot of them.
Also, I know it's hypocritical for a man with 6,353 posts on a football forum to be saying that, haha.
Also, also, I do want my pasttime to return, of course. Everyone enjoys a passtime.
What annoys me right now is the people who are clamoring for football to be back, even if behind closed doors in some sterile atmosphere, just to brighten up their lockdown/quarantine.
Personally watching a game of football without any atmosphere at all doesn't interest me, it will be like watching a training game - it will also get to the players who will show less intensity due to the lack of crowd, also it would negate any potential home advantage that the home side generally get.
And due to the fact that you never know what United are going to show up on any given day, i'm much happier watching re runs of old premiership games where we won a lot more
Personally watching a game of football without any atmosphere at all doesn't interest me, it will be like watching a training game - it will also get to the players who will show less intensity due to the lack of crowd, also it would negate any potential home advantage that the home side generally get.
And due to the fact that you never know what United are going to show up on any given day, i'm much happier watching re runs of old premiership games where we won a lot more
It's not as much about clamouring for something to watch, as it is about the fact that a year without football would leave it completely fecked.
There's option a) where you get a bad product sooner or option b) where you don't get the product at all for at least a year with a fair chance that a significant portion of the industry might completely collapse.
There's option a) where you get a bad product sooner or option b) where you don't get the product at all for at least a year with a fair chance that a significant portion of the industry might completely collapse.
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It wouldn't be fecked, it would require reorganizing and some financial assistance from the Premier League for the football league etc.
Personally, this could be a good thing for the premier league going forward - it could actually realise that it isn't the be all and end all of football in this country and start working with the FA and football league more closely.
A voice of reason in all this madness, and pretty echoes my opinion on the whole situation.
I agree apart from the contract situation. There is no way around it and theres no chance players wont look to rinse clubs with 1 or 2 year extensions instead of 5 weeks. It just wont work.
'Though it's higher the lower down we go' Isn't it pretty much 1000+ players in the Championship, League 1 and League 2?
They're not exactly in a position of power. It's either an extension or it's being unemployed.
It would take a monumental effort to reorganize anything to a point where all PL and Championship clubs survive without the TV money. I'm not even sure where the founds to assist the lower league clubs will come from if football comes to a full stop for a whole year.
I don't see a viable solution where an industry, that has organized itself in way where a steady, ever increasing stream of money is expected and necessary, doesn't collapse if it just stops for what will probably be more than a year.
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But its into the summer months when contracts are up? And if they are powering through this then its 9 games in 6 something weeks that they have to sit out.
Plus thats if they cant find a club. Sign elsewhere and wait out those 6 weeks isnt a hardship.
I find this line of thinking rather strange. What does anybody care about, outside of loved ones, that is worthwhile? Work? Travel? For lots of people it's a community that has meaning, in the same way that music fanatics can connect, bicycle fanatics can connect etc. Telling people to 'grow up' is a bit lame in my opinion.
Depends who it is. Pedro, Willian and even Giroud will be looking for multi-year contracts, they might prefer to have a nice holiday for a while rather than risk injury in six week extension or whatever it might be. They can afford one and from their point of view probably feel they're due one too.
Wheres this whole 'year' thing come from? It will be 6 months at most.
I am sure the TV rights issue can be resolved in some way, can't imagine foreign TV channels forgoing future contracts for the sake of 9 games.
It's unlikely that large gatherings won't be banned until a vaccine is developed and distributed and it will take something of a miracle for that to happen in less than a year.
Most of next season will likely be played behind closed doors.
Clearly money is the main driver, but it seems to be based on a few ill-judged assumptions:
- SPFL put a gun to clubs' heads to ensure that the season was ended by selling it as the only way they can get their end-of-season payout. This was false as they have the ability to give clubs their money now or loan funds.
- The idea that next season will start as normal in June/July and the clubs can get back to earning money again. No chance this is happening. Everything in the top division seems to be premised on the TV deal from Sky which will require 4 Old Firm games - good luck fitting that in if the season doesn't kick off until the winter.
- Clubs unwilling to furlough players and staff in order to cut costs, like every other business.
Be hilarious if they didn’t but Liverpool would surely want to avoid yet another PR disaster.
Yup, in which case the clubs won't lose out on much?! Depending on what happens with the end of this season.
So it will be nowhere near a year without football.
Of course we all have bias towards our own team. It's human nature.
As hilarious as it may seem to United fans that Liverpool will be denied winning the league again when this time it seemed certain, think about the wider implications? A null and void scenario could bankrupt some teams.
I'm confused, weren't you arguing that football should not be played BCD?
Oh they might, yes. But that's not what the initial statement ("there is no way around it and theres no chance players wont look to rinse clubs with 1 or 2 year extensions instead of 5 weeks.") was about.
Both parties have something to gain from finding an agreement, i.e. getting paid for the players and getting their services for the clubs. That's why in most cases I think it will work out. That's especially true in the lower leagues where players might not be able to afford a hiatus and won't view it as an extended holiday.
Thats fine, you have proved my point anyway.
I refused to be bullied because you disagree with my opinion.
What I said is that a null and void season opens clubs up to all sorts of legal challenges regarding refunded season tickets etc. Challenges that clubs will want to avoid. You won't even consider this as a possibility though so let's just leave it there.
I don't disagree in general, hence my 'depends who'. As far as the premier league goes it doesn't really matter one way or the other looking at this list of players involved:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ers-who-can-walk-out-of-their-clubs-on-july-1
With only Chelsea likely to be really affected.
In your opinion what percentage of fans do you think will bring about a legal challenge regarding this?
And secondly, even if they do how would you rate their chance of success in a court room?
Guy makes a good point - Bournemouth losing Fraser on a free vs Bournemouth relegated on GD, it's an easy choice imo. Chelsea might indeed be a bit affected, but can easily avoid it if they extend the contracts. Them MAYBE paying a bit over the odds (which I don't think would happen anyway) is a small price if you look at the bigger picture.
I've updated my views a bit:
We'll probably not see fans in stadiums before sometime next year. Possibly not before the next season is over. The current priority(in football) should be to implement a system where football is played behind closed doors. In order for this to work, we need quick and extensive testing at the stadiums. To implement this system is not easy though, so I reckon it must go down like this:
1. If we are able to implement this system before October: void the current season and go on with the next. Potentially scrap cups(if there's a late start).
2. If we are not able to implement this system before October: finish the current season and potentially scrap next season entirely. If there's time: play half a season, starting in January. Seeing as there won't be any fans present, home advantage isn't a big deal. You play 9 games at home and 9 games away, but it doesn't matter which games are at home and which are away(this would be an issue with fans present, though).
We'll probably not see fans in stadiums before sometime next year. Possibly not before the next season is over. The current priority(in football) should be to implement a system where football is played behind closed doors. In order for this to work, we need quick and extensive testing at the stadiums. To implement this system is not easy though, so I reckon it must go down like this:
1. If we are able to implement this system before October: void the current season and go on with the next. Potentially scrap cups(if there's a late start).
2. If we are not able to implement this system before October: finish the current season and potentially scrap next season entirely. If there's time: play half a season, starting in January. Seeing as there won't be any fans present, home advantage isn't a big deal. You play 9 games at home and 9 games away, but it doesn't matter which games are at home and which are away(this would be an issue with fans present, though).
I think this is unlikely but I'd just like to add that if it did happen the each single encounter could be at a neutral venue anyway.
Agreed. home games are not just about the crowd. It’s about not having to travel, changing rooms, pitch dimensions etc.
That would be ideal, yeah.
I'm obviously hoping for option 1. It's objectively the best option. Clubs will suffer less financially, no player contract mess, more football on TV for the fans and no PL trophy for Liverpool.
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