Not really good news at all, I enjoy my quiet roads drive to work at the moment, can't be arsed with all the thunder cnuts driving about again.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Not really good news at all, I enjoy my quiet roads drive to work at the moment, can't be arsed with all the thunder cnuts driving about again.
Apparently not.
Maybe when the dust settles, more people will be able to work from home and perhaps this will lead to a reduction in commuting on roads and public transport.
Must be nice. My daily driving distance has been significantly reduced but the thundercunts are still all over the roads in Toronto.
Not big Jack!
His original point was that the money that has been provided has been wasted and this has been more influential than the total amount of money the NHS has been given. There is some element of truth in there, such as the attempt to upgrade ICT infrastucture several years ago.
In the last 20 years the average age of death in the UK has increased by 4.7%. In the same timeframe the healthcare budget has doubled.
If you would allow a "top-up" NHS (which isn't too dissimilar to what other European countries have) you would immediately close the gap/overtake European countries on overall GDP spending as richer Britons take out more health insurance.
I can understand why people politically don't want this, but I think it shows the weakness of using GDP spending stats as a proxy for healthcare efficiency. The USA leads the world on spending with poor outcomes for the poorest in society.
I can understand why people politically don't want this, but I think it shows the weakness of using GDP spending stats as a proxy for healthcare efficiency. The USA leads the world on spending with poor outcomes for the poorest in society.
That's not surprising.
Many cops are basically bouncers in an official uniform, and at some professional clubs, the bouncers have better defined guidelines than some cops. Not that all cops are incompetent, only that number of them are not the deepest thinkers. And having unintelligent people in authoritarian roles without strict guidelines is not dissimilar to letting 5-year-olds play with loaded guns.
Yeah a lot of it comes down to common sense and like all other walks of life, the police force contains people who while they may be generally good at being a policeman, lack any kind of common sense or rational thought. They are good at painting by numbers and checking boxes but not so good when it comes to thinking on their feet and making sound decisions.
If you want to compare NHS spending between countries, you also need to control for loads of factors such as their obesity rates and how they've changed over time. It's probably beyond the ability of anyone here.
Go with what you consider to be the consensus of experts.
Go with what you consider to be the consensus of experts.
Well, this is my point. I asked in effect if these 'cuts' have affected the response to the pandemic from an NHS point of view. You chose to answer my w
question with a question.
I dont see how we have been left short. I suppose the main points so far are that testing numbers have fallen short of some other country's but 2 points here 1 is testing part of the NHS? (genuinly not sure, and if it is, has testing capacity been reduced directly due to these cuts?). 2 from what i understand, the tests are not, or have not been as reliable as they need to be, which is what the chief medical officers have banged on about since the start. Bearing this in mind has this been part of the reason we havnt tested as much as some countries.
I conceded that ppe has been an issue throughout, this applies to every country in the world from what ive read.
Again, i ask. How, specifically through this pandemic has our nhs underperformed as a direct result of underfunding ?
Yes, the White House specifically said that coronavirus treatment would be covered by the stimulus package.
There are also state plans for low cost or completely free. A relative who lost his job, was able to enroll for Medicaid and Blue Cross Blue Shield for free in early despite being it past enrollment phase. He's effectively got full coverage, zero deductibles! (which is what Bernie was advocating all along).
Just as I'm typing this, the city is clapping for HCW
What a relieve! I thought they would e without coverage. Good to hear that
One German state has decided to open the shopping centres on top of shops 800 up to square metres next week. Kind of funny after all this talk about finding a common approach between the states this week.
These are very skewed by China, given the population size and population density.
A relief? They will be treated, but possibly bankrupt if they’re hospitalized and can’t afford insurance.
The trends (or lack of trends, should I say) would still be there without China.
Hopefully this test is more accurate than the one we wasted millions of pounds on.
To be blunt, China are totally irrelevant in that analysis, they are only one dot, they can't skew the graph(I'm agreeing with you). But I'm not convinced by the analysis, my anecdotal impression is that the amount of deaths is more linked to the actual location of the outbreaks within a country and the public events that occurred when patient zero was in town which makes an analysis a lot more complicated than what is shown in these graphs.
Its obvious that face masks are of benefit for all but the Government are trying to play this down, and avoid recommending them, because they're struggling to get enough for the NHS, let alone care homes and certainly let alone the general public so are trying to dampen down demand
What's the reasoning behind Germany have 30,000 more cases than the UK but having 10,000 less deaths?
Completely agree. Loads of complex, often inter-linked, factors means no two outbreaks are exactly alike. I’m really just pushing back on over-simplistic often repeated tropes like using deaths per capita as a fair way to compare effectiveness of NPIs between large and small countries, or that population density is the single most important factor.
A hell of a lot more testing.
The Uk deaths per case is insanely high. But that’s mainly because they’re almost exclusively only testing people so sick they end up in hospital.
When I was travelling for a year 20 years ago I met a Norwegian bloke who could put his finger into his mouth pointing upwards and it went right underneath his skin almost up to his eye socket.
He’d melted everything with this stuff!
So all the doctors who talk about the decimated services are doing it purely to get more funding rather than telling the truth and speaking about problems which are clearly documented and anyone who has had the misfortune of suffering ill-health or knowing someone who has is painfully aware of?
2010-2016 health budget grew at a rate of 1.3%. It was 5.6% under prior Labour government. Historical average 1955-2016 is 4.1%. Are you still suggesting the NHS has not been underfunded? Tory ministers openly spoke of austerity, it was not some hidden secret. Are you suggesting their austerity agenda spared the NHS in spite of all the testimony from within the health services? In spite of overseeing an historical nadir in the rate of growth for the health budget?
I haven't got the raw data to do it myself but it looks like the trends would become a lot stronger without China.
Diamond Princess more or less rules that out. 1.5% mortality rate (everyone was tested) with an extreme age shift.
1.8% is latest mortality figure actually. Not really an extreme age shift. 1/3 were crew (avge age 36) and 2/3 passengers (avge age 69) Median age in the Uk is 40. Even if true CFR is 1% that’s a catastrophe.
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I think the complaints about the Tory Government's performance during the COVID pandemic are only partly justified.
I would call them out for not sealing the border off completely - anything up to 10,000 people per day are arriving at Heathrow and entering the UK without testing or obligatory quarantine. People from Spain, from France, from Italy and from the USA in particular. Crazy !!
The never-ending ' NHS Underfunding ' argument depends entirely on your personal politics - the same Tory Government haven't been responsible for the Health Services in Spain, France, Italy and the USA, and all the stats seem to indicate that each of those countries' performance, measured in Death Rates, is actually worse than the UK.
So if you want to argue that more money spent on HealthCare = less deaths, go ahead and argue but the argument isn't ( as yet ) convincing.
In SA, and I know in the US, many are now urging people to make their own masks out of cotton or something.
How effective are these? I assume not at all.
How effective are these? I assume not at all.
best video i have seen on the subject video may start at 10 mins but watch from start.
Check the shift between those over 70 years old (by far the most vulnerable category) there and in the world. And check those of under 20 years old (by far the least vulnerable category).
The median age in the world is just 28 years old. And by the numbers you gave, the median age there seems to have been around 58 years old (I might be slightly wrong cause I am using median as a proxy for mean, in absence of mean). That is far older than that of any country (I think Italy has the median at 48).
Last time I checked there (might have changed since then and I cannot find a recent research paper on it), no one under the age of 70 died back then. And people of that age were represented by 24.2%, while in real-world they are represented by only around 5%.
Additionally, in Iceland (who has done by far most tests per capita and it is such a small country that it is very hard for deaths to go unnoticed) the (current) casualty rate is 0.5%.
Just shy of 2%. One of the 14 deaths isn't officially recorded. I *think* it's the Australian that died in Perth on 1st of March, while the others all died in Japan.
A woman from Hong Kong in her 60's was the youngest reported victim. Another woman died who's age is not recorded in order to respect the wishes of her family.
People don't need N95 masks unless they are in a situation where they are directly dealing with someone with COVID19.
A basic mask will help someone contain their own exhalations, etc., and decrease the likelihood that they will infect someone if they are an asymptomatic carrier.
Swedish friend of mine came to stay for a week a few years back, used that stuff. Not only were his teeth and breath horrific, but the stuff really stinks in general. Wouldnt recommend.
This is actually one of the most braindead video that I have seen. Starting with deaths estimates, she probabaly missed the part where measures have been taken to limit infections which means that the worst estimations will be lower than if we did nothing, the rest is just way too stupid, you would swear that she can't fathom the idea that pandemics have already happened in human history, creating a scenario around one doesn't require to be a genius or a machiavel, it just requires to have a functioning brain.
Yep, could be. The latest paper I found was from March (there have been new deaths since then).
Yay, another idiot with a m'uh rights! video. She's such a super sleuth. Hope she can save us all.
She couldn't resist getting Hillary in there, either.
