Yeah the ab’s would be for secondary infections. Often as a preventative measure. And often because when people are dying you just want to feel you’re doing everything possible to try and help even if you know it’s not likely to affect the outcome.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Yeah the ab’s would be for secondary infections. Often as a preventative measure. And often because when people are dying you just want to feel you’re doing everything possible to try and help even if you know it’s not likely to affect the outcome.
The Factcheck Twitter name change shows that this government aren't averse to disseminating false, harmful information. If they are proven to be involved in stealing identities of NHS workers in a bid to mislead the public that should be them done.
As a side point, surely there are no deaf doctors? How would that work in an emergency if they can't communicate without interpreters.
I didn't post the tweets as it's far from evidence right now but the thread states the person who used the mass posting tool is a Dept of Health employee. A russian setup seems unlikely
It's just the same bollocks they pulled with Universal Credit to be fair. The government dont sign off on this stuff but when they bring in message experts who repeatedly pull these stunts then someone above becomes accountable (Dom).
Why don’t they repurpose some knicker or shirt factories to make their own??
I mean it’s not like they won’t need a huge ongoing supply
In one of his explanatory threads the guy says the fake accounts are all registered in the name of an individual who works for the Government and is currently assigned to the Department for Health and Social Care. With that and the fact the accounts were all deleted as soon as they were rumbled would suggest it's more likely to be the Government than an external agitator I would say.
I'm surprised the cnuts haven't tried claiming gloves as two items to really skew the numbers.
Ah. Ok. Fecking hell. The way they stereotype the fake lefty doctor is absurdly over the top. Mad that a British person would come up with that.
How is it misleading? The government is telling labs to use tests that they know are faulty, with a failure rate up to 25%. The part you quote literally says they will have sent people home with a ‘negative’ when they in fact had the virus in up to 25% of the cases. That is the worst scenario imaginable.
I asked earlier in the thread how accurate the tests were . It seems there is no 100 % accurate test available . Also outside factors can affect the accurracy of the tests . The government have been very open about the difficulties in getting the right kinds of tests and also accurate tests . People seem fixated by total numbers of tests , in each country . do you know what the accuracy rates are in each country ?
Just reference the Russia report Boris promised to publish after the election.......oh wait
That 25% figure directly contradicts another source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-concerns-about-quality-of-uk-covid-19-tests
So I don't think we should accept it at face value, especially since the Guardian article actually contains some test data, rather than some anonymous guy's finger in the air estimate.
editted: Sorry, didn't read that other bit properly. Anyway, still think the 25% is open to question.
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It’s also too big.
it’s also unnecessary to apply blanket rules there
Imagine if every European Country had to apply the same rules at the same time.
Trump is a weapon. But America should be perfectly capable of handling this.
States should flatten curves as best they can, apply restrictions at the right times, the federal government should be able to move equipment around to meet peak needs.
The whole country does not need to be on identical lockdown. That results in what we’re seeing. Measures too severe, too early, that aren’t tolerated.
Feck. “A few times know”. Damn you for quoting me. That typo’s gonna haunt me.
The article I linked never said there is a problem with positive results, so there is no contradiction with the Guardian saying the same thing. In fact the Guardian article corroborates OpenDemoracy’s report by making clear that there is a problem with false negatives. OpenDemocracy cite someone who claims the figure is as high as 25%. And if you read the article it is not a finger in the air estimate but a pathologist with knowledge of the current NiS review into the test. He/She is not guessing. And of course they’ll be anonymous, that’s a disingenuous way to try and discredit the allegation.
Thanks for the explanation.
Its like something out of the tv show homeland in series 6
Bollocks by the way.
2 islands on the other side of the World to where it all kicked off in Italy and we all realised that shit had gotten real. We know for sure that Italy seeded Europe.
And you’re another that completely ignores the point on Malmö and Gothenburg because you’ve already decided lockdown was the only way. You can’t explain Belgium and you can’t explain Malmö.
You have no response to the Belgium and Sweden graphs mirroring each other despite one going into lockdown on 18th March and the other not doing it.
The idea that all Scandinavian countries started on the same point is so idiotic is hard to comprehend. If they did, once again, why is Malmö in Sweden doing miles better than Copenhagen in Denmark @Wibble, a city it shares a fecking bridge with? Maybe this time, leave your bias at the door and really have a real think.
Sometimes the obvious answer is right there in front of you, Stockholm, much like Belgium, had a shit load of the virus ”within it’s borders” in mid-March, no doubt due to half term timing. That’s why it has almost 1000 deaths, and the county in Sweden worst hit (cases per 100,000 citizens)... Sörmland, also had half term in week 9.
Malmö had a nicely timed half term and has much less virus in it’s City than Copenhagen in mid-March.
I mean, at this point that is verging almost on common sense.
If this isn’t the case, I full expect you to give me any reply as to why Gothenburg and Malmö are doing so well, if lockdown was the only way.
The only thing worse than your weird twisting of a scenario to fit your narrative... is the fact you repeatedly tell others not to.
Stop banging on about the bridge. It normally transports somewhere around 100,000 people a day I believe. Taken a look at the webcam recently? I’ll save you the job and tell you it’s almost empty. You can’t get in your car and go there now. It’s not some outlier that should provide direct comparison between Cities on either side of it. Leave it alone. It’s noise.
Also... stop signing off posts with “This will be my last post for a week until there is more data”... unless you’re actually going to stick to it. It’s dramatic nonsense and your pledge lasts about 15 minutes.
The German test supposedly has 99.x% accuracy, assuming proper handling of the swab, etc.
''There is no sorrow in the world that a hot both wouldn't help, just a little.''
Don’t make him battle with common sense.
That’s a good point. Haven’t the states been allowed a lot of autonomy though? I don’t think there has been any attempt at a national one size fits all lockdown. Or has there?
Common sense, good stuff mate.
We'll all be watching how this unfolds, but I don't think its gonna be disastrous personally. The problem with this pandemic and how the media is covering it, is that the majority are going down the 'worst case scenario' route simply to drum home to everyone just how serious the virus is - there is nothing wrong with that. But people also need to keep a level head and recognise that they ARE being fed the worst case scenario. The UK death toll was originally supposed to be 200,000 - within a couple of weeks, the same bloke had dropped his estimate to around 20,000 or so.
You need to scare people into acting, I get that. If everyone is wandering around thinking 'its just the flu', we're fecked. But some critical thinking is required on the public's part or else everyone is going to end up in a padded cell.
Probably all gone bust.
I used to audit a factory in Leigh that supplied all M&S’ swimming costumes. It closed down as soon as M&S stopped sourcing from the UK.
The flipside to that argument is that the reason the deaths are so much lower than first predicted is because people have been scared the right amount. Project fear has saved lives!
What I found pretty striking is that the Nightingale hospital is almost empty and there's next to no coverage of it.
If it was the other way round you could be sure as hell they would be sticking a reminder into every advert break.
Well we are going to be over 20,000 now and only just coming out of a very slowly dwindling peak. I think the 'panic' was exactly right.
I think with the progress being made on antibody studies we are now thankfully looking at a disease that is much less deadly than first thought. It won't be far off a severe flu season if I was to speculate. Still...would you want to risk catching it?! I'm social distancing until I either know I've had it, or there is a vaccine.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-people-dying-from-flu-in-uk-than-last-winter
In this article here they talk about a particularly deadly flu season in Britain.
35 people died in a week.
Thats amazing if true . I think its widely accepted that germany is producing its own tests and is a world leader in the testing infrastructure . here is an earlier article showing how other countries have struggled to get the accuracy needed.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ver-covid-19&usg=AOvVaw1uXpf_9Ylz1F5qrDlHDlKl
Hundreds of companies have tried to contact the government to offer help and they have been ignored. Just look at your local MP's twitter feed and you will see companies and groups offering assistance via their MP. The MP's are tearing their hair out as the government is failing to respond.
It's ironic that Boris is such a fan of Churchill and yet he failed to learn the lessons Churchill did at Dunkirk. This was a "little ships" moment where hundreds of small labs offered support with testing. Textile firms have offered help with gowns and masks, Engineering companies have offered to manufacture proven ventilator technology.
They have all largely been ignored by Government cronies who have googled it and think they have a better / cheaper solution. It's only later they realise they are having to wait for it to be shipped from overseas! I wouldn't trust them to run an ebay shop!
IF we had engaged with these firms earlier, you would see a health and social care system that was adequately protected and not acting as a vector of disease. Some people in government have a lot of deaths on their hands that should have been avoided. Spain and Italy were caught by surprise but look at how other European countries have responded who had the same amount of warning.
They have messed up a shopping and procurement exercise. Good luck with this team delivering anything else!
@Dancfc i must admit i find it amazing that its not made more headlines . Do you know what the total take up rate of each of the new hospitals is . Its amazing how quickly we managed to get them up and running . I wonder if they are being staffed at part capacity and the doctors etc being used in other hospitals if they are not needed ?
I read a few days ago at that point there has only been 19 admissions there.
I can't re find that exact article but I've found one that confirms the Excel centre has been pretty much desolate.
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/t...gale-is-essential-to-recovery/7027435.article
The thought is that the nightingale hospitals are there to deal with a second wave that is likely to happen when restrictions are lifted. Their role is to deal with the large numbers who may need additional oxygen support to prevent them deteriorating and needing ICU support. These "empty" hospitals are essentially in a shakedown phase getting ready to deal with it.
The initial plan was that, if necessary, these would be staffed with Squaddies manually bagging people to give them some additional air. Thankfully common sense has prevailed and they have sourced the cpap connectors to do that job for them.
Some NHS bloke the other day was saying they might not even use the North East one at all.
So the ONS have released a graph suggesting that the amount dying at the moment is more significant than normal.
But some of these aren’t related to Corona virus.
What is more likely? That these deaths are corona related but not counted or that other people aren’t getting checked for things they need? Maybe the NHS can’t handle the extra strain?
But some of these aren’t related to Corona virus.
What is more likely? That these deaths are corona related but not counted or that other people aren’t getting checked for things they need? Maybe the NHS can’t handle the extra strain?
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...gn=sf-bi-ti&utm_source=facebook.com&r=US&IR=T
Good on Poland and Denmark
Good on Poland and Denmark