Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

Pink Moon said:
That isn't fair either. It rewards someone like Norwich who were clearly going down, punishes Leeds who were clearly coming up, rewards shite teams like Arsenal who were doing nothing of note and punishes teams like Leicester and Sheffield United who were having fantastic seasons.
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It's not clear until it's a mathematical certainty. This cant be handled like a Paddy Power early pay out. No matter how far you are in front nothing gets awarded until it's certain. Anything can happen in sport.
 
Rooney24 said:
Norwich were 6 points off it with 9 games left. Nothing at all clear about them going down.

Same with Leeds. They are 7 points clear but 9 games to go.

both of those have been turned around plenty in the past.
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Leicester were on the brink and then won the league the following season. It's not beyond the realms of possibilities that the league could have come down to the last match after a liverpool collapse.
Now if the league had of continued for two more games that they had won leaving it a mathematical certainty then they would have had a case. It did not and we still had 25% of the league games to play so no matter how much they want us to suck their dicks, it ain't fecking happening. Liverpool are not league champions, it really is that simple.
 
Offside said:
I’m glad to see the French and Dutch League are abandoning their leagues and moving on rather than this weird “null and void” idea.
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The outcome is more or less the same. No champions and bo relegation/promotion
 
GiddyUp said:
Leicester were on the brink and then won the league the following season. It's not beyond the realms of possibilities that the league could have come down to the last match after a liverpool collapse.
Now if the league had of continued for two more games that they had won leaving it a mathematical certainty then they would have had a case. It did not and we still had 25% of the league games to play so no matter how much they want us to suck their dicks, it ain't fecking happening. Liverpool are not league champions, it really is that simple.
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As of right now you're absolutely right but if the season gets cancelled we'll be champions a few days after and if the season gets played out we'll be champions a couple of weeks after.
 
arnie_ni said:
The outcome is more or less the same. No champions and bo relegation/promotion
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Yes and that’s fine but the matches and goals aren’t “voided” so we don’t go into next season pretending they didn’t happen.
 
Finn MacCool said:
PSG, Liverpool and probably Celtic will all be champions this season.
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Wishful thinking I feel. What is clear, at the moment, is we are moving to seasons being cancelled. Then it will be decided how they will be finished. If you're lucky you might get given the title but you are just as likely to be awarded top spot without the C as evidenced in Holland. All options well and firmly on the table. Squeaky bum time it seems!

Pink Moon said:
That isn't fair either. It rewards someone like Norwich who were clearly going down, punishes Leeds who were clearly coming up, rewards shite teams like Arsenal who were doing nothing of note and punishes teams like Leicester and Sheffield United who were having fantastic seasons.
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RobinLFC said:
Treating everyone equally is not fair, that's the fallacy in your solution.
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And here's another thing I've noted here. Many of you can't distinguish the difference between treating every club fairly (the same) and the different affect that decision has on each individual club.

People will win and others will lose. That's the case whatever you decide. The only thing that can be done is ensure everyone is treated the same as that prevents criticism and the famous lawsuits you all bang on about.

redshaw said:
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"It is not yet known whether Ligue de Football Professional (LFP) will choose to abandon the season with no promotion or relegation and no champions or base the outcome of the campaign on current standings. "
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sullydnl said:
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And here we go. Definitely a huge shift today from everyone towards cancelling this season. With that in mind nothing is certain as to how this is officially decided.
 
GiddyUp said:
Leicester were on the brink and then won the league the following season. It's not beyond the realms of possibilities that the league could have come down to the last match after a liverpool collapse.
Now if the league had of continued for two more games that they had won leaving it a mathematical certainty then they would have had a case. It did not and we still had 25% of the league games to play so no matter how much they want us to suck their dicks, it ain't fecking happening. Liverpool are not league champions, it really is that simple.
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Just deserts for Klopp. If he hadn't whined constantly about his poor dears having a winter break, they probably would have already won it. The winter break has put them in freefall.
 
Megadrive Man said:
I've not seen any of that so far?

in other news, no chance the season gets voided now.
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It depends what you mean by voided. It seems cancelling leagues is pretty certain so the league places and stats will stand. The key question will be do the give titles, promotion and relegation out or do they do as Holland have decided, and it seems France are doing, and not bother. I'd suggest the latter.
 
TheReligion said:
Are you just making things up?
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No, that's what will happen. If it gets played out with 2 games every wee, that's 4 games in a fortnight. Very confident we'll win two or City will win one.

If it gets cancelled a decision on the title will be made quickly and I think all 19 clubs will agree to award it to us.
 
AlwaysRed66 said:
I cannot think of a more undesirable trio than these. Hopefully none win, & Celtic & SPL are taken to court by Rangers & Hearts.
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I'll see you undesirable trio and raise you a couple of huge cnuts.

EDIT - PSG are huge undesirable cnuts!
 
Finn MacCool said:
No, that's what will happen. If it gets played out with 2 games every wee, that's 4 games in a fortnight. Very confident we'll win two or City will win one.

If it gets cancelled a decision on the title will be made quickly and I think all 19 clubs will agree to award it to us.
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Ah so it's just your opinion then. Now it makes sense.

On a serious note it's not just as easy as everyone getting together and giving Liverpool the title as the repercussions go beyond that. Other league leaders would have to be given theirs and then it begs the question what you do in each division with promotion, play offs and relegation.

Very complicated and huge minefield. Wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be. I'd say if anything its 50/50 as to how it could go. Holland prime example with France set to follow (not awarding a champion).
 
AlwaysRed66 said:
Just deserts for Klopp. If he hadn't whined constantly about his poor dears having a winter break, they probably would have already won it. The winter break has put them in freefall.
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That's what I keep saying. There was not one win guaranteed in the remaining games especially with that dip in form. The last 6 games for every team in the league is in the air as attitude, pressure and physical/mental fatigue become a factor. No point lead is insurmountable until the numbers say otherwise. It's kinda funny that it's liverpool in this position when the world turns upside down. Karma's a bitch and she fecking hates liverpool right now.
Again, if they were mathematical champions we would hold our hands up and say yep, let's work something out to stop them moaning. But they are not and in all likelihood the 19/20 season will end how it started, square one. Keep calm and on to the new season I say.
 
TheReligion said:
Ah so it's just your opinion then. Now it makes sense.

On a serious note it's not just as easy as everyone getting together and giving Liverpool the title as the repercussions go beyond that. Other league leaders would have to be given their and then it begs the question what you do in each division with promotion, play offs and relegation.

Very complicated and huge minefield. Wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be. I'd say if anything its 50/50 as to how it could go. Holland prime example with France set to follow (not awarding a champion).
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totally agree its a minefield, but the bottom line is: will the PL reward clubs who are failing and punish clubs who are achieving? I think not.
 
TheReligion said:
Ah so it's just your opinion then. Now it makes sense.

On a serious note it's not just as easy as everyone getting together and giving Liverpool the title as the repercussions go beyond that. Other league leaders would have to be given theirs and then it begs the question what you do in each division with promotion, play offs and relegation.

Very complicated and huge minefield. Wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be. I'd say if anything its 50/50 as to how it could go. Holland prime example with France set to follow (not awarding a champion).
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It seems the hardest and most complicated thing to do would be to pander to liverpool.
I've had many discussions about what's happening and I can honestly say, hand on heart, if United were in that position I would be more then good with the voiding of the season.
 
Finn MacCool said:
totally agree its a minefield, but the bottom line is: will the PL reward clubs who are failing and punish clubs who are achieving? I think not.
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It's not about that is it. It's about what's fair and teams being treated equally. You can't give Liverpool a title but ignore Leeds and other league leaders across the professional ranks. Then the moment you start to acknowledge and give out champion status you need to have a valid argument as to why you aren't granting promotion and play offs (rewarding achieving clubs as you say). Then the knock on effect from that is what about those who aren't achieving? Surely you must relegate them.

Whatever your personal feelings there's more to this than Liverpool. If you'd have been mathematically too far ahead to be caught things would be different but you're not and you haven't actually achieved anything really. Harsh but true.
 
GiddyUp said:
It seems the hardest and most complicated thing to do would be to pander to liverpool.
I've had many discussions about what's happening and I can honestly say, hand on heart, if United were in that position I would be more then good with the voiding of the season.
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Hand on heart if Utd were 25 points ahead I'd be falling over myself to congratulate you and would publicly campaign for you to be awarded the title.
 
If they are going to abandon seasons without relegations, one thing they could do next season is have 5 relegation spots and promotion spots. That way Leeds and West Brom who will be screwed by no promotions or relegations, will at least only need to finish in the top 4 next season to get promoted. Also the likes of Norwich who would be incredibly fortunate to get another year in the PL would need to finish in the top 15 next year to stay up again. There would be losers in this idea but I think the excitement it would bring would outweigh the dullness of having to have the same teams in the league next year.

Liverpool would obviously be majorly screwed by having no Champion but if they’re really the best team in history as they claim to be go win it again next year.
 
TheReligion said:
It's not about that is it. It's about what's fair and teams being treated equally. You can't give Liverpool a title but ignore Leeds and other league leaders across the professional ranks. Then the moment you start to acknowledge and give out champion status you need to have a valid argument as to why you aren't granting promotion and play offs (rewarding achieving clubs as you say). Then the knock on effect from that is what about those who aren't achieving? Surely you must relegate them.

Whatever your personal feelings there's more to this than Liverpool. If you'd have been mathematically too far ahead to be caught things would be different but you're not and you haven't actually achieved anything really. Harsh but true.
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Yep and fair is rewarding teams who are achieving, not those who are failing.

Loads more that liverpool - we are the easiest part of this to resolve. Leeds WBA, Sheffield Utd, Leicester, Wolves - none deserve the season to be trashed and to reward Norwich, Villa, WHU etc.
 
Finn MacCool said:
Hand on heart if Utd were 25 points ahead I'd be falling over myself to congratulate you and would publicly campaign for you to be awarded the title.
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And that's the problem. No one would care if you did campaign! Give over as this is ridiculous. It's really not important at all that you get given the league. Look at what's going on. Rather than starting a campaign go and volunteer to help the NHS and do something worthwhile.
 
Offside said:
If they are going to abandon seasons without relegations, one thing they could do next season is have 5 relegation spots and promotion spots. That way Leeds and West Brom who will be screwed by no promotions or relegations, will at least only need to finish in the top 4 next season to get promoted. Also the likes of Norwich who would be incredibly fortunate to get another year in the PL would need to finish in the top 15 next year to stay up again. There would be losers in this idea but I think the excitement this idea would bring would outweigh the fullness of having to have the same teams in the league next year.
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The issue with that is you'd be adding more games to a 20/21 season that itself will be under threat of delay, temporary suspension or cancellation.

Also if you're a PL club voting for that you're essentially voting to increase your risk of being relegated next season, which is hardly appealing.

But yes, if it was possible it would help.
 
Finn MacCool said:
Yep and fair is rewarding teams who are achieving, not those who are failing.

Loads more that liverpool - we are the easiest part of this to resolve. Leeds WBA, Sheffield Utd, Leicester, Wolves - none deserve the season to be trashed and to reward Norwich, Villa, WHU etc.
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Sorry you're not thinking clearly as you're way too biased. United are achieving (right as the league was halted) what about the cups and form? No one has achieved anything! Some are closer to than others but that's a clear fact. The moment you start artificially tampering with that by giving things out is the moment you lose integrity and create problems.
 
TheReligion said:
And that's the problem. No one would care if you did campaign! Give over as this is ridiculous. It's really not important at all that you get given the league. Look at what's going on. Rather than starting a campaign go and volunteer to help the NHS and do something worthwhile.
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Really? Can you not spot when someone is taking the piss? Come on, we're all affected by this thing. Lets not go back to the narrative that by discussing potential outcomes we don't care.
 
Finn MacCool said:
Yep and fair is rewarding teams who are achieving, not those who are failing.

Loads more that liverpool - we are the easiest part of this to resolve. Leeds WBA, Sheffield Utd, Leicester, Wolves - none deserve the season to be trashed and to reward Norwich, Villa, WHU etc.
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So your saying promotion and relegation across all the leagues?

Trying to understand what you want here
 
sullydnl said:
The issue with that is you'd be adding more games to a 20/21 season that itself will be under threat of delay, temporary suspension or cancellation.

Also if you're a PL club voting for that you're essentially voting to increase your risk of being relegated next season, which is hardly appealing.

But yes, if it was possible it would help.
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How am I adding more games? Would be the same games.

I get your second point completely which is why I don’t think it would happen. Finishing 16th and getting relegated is harsh when you’re being replaced by a team that finished 4th in the Championship.
 
TheReligion said:
Sorry you're not thinking clearly as you're way too biased. United are achieving (right as the league was halted) what about the cups and form? No one has achieved anything! Some are closer to than others but that's a clear fact. The moment you start artificially tampering with that by giving things out is the moment you lose integrity and create problems.
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i'm definitely biased as we all are - it doesn't preclude me from thinking clearly. I'd call trashing 75% of a season artificially tampering.
 
arnie_ni said:
So your saying promotion and relegation across all the leagues?

Trying to understand what you want here
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I would prefer that as opposed to scrapping everything. But the only way to resolve it would be promotion only - and that of course wouldn't be prefect either.
 
TheReligion said:
He wants the league to award Liverpool the title and is certain they will but has no idea as to what will happen with everyone else and doesn't really care it seems. @Finn MacCool ?
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But you don't care about all the teams who are achieving - you just care about the teams who have been failing this season. You want to get them off the hook.
 
TheReligion said:
Sorry you're not thinking clearly as you're way too biased. United are achieving (right as the league was halted) what about the cups and form? No one has achieved anything! Some are closer to than others but that's a clear fact. The moment you start artificially tampering with that by giving things out is the moment you lose integrity and create problems.
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Imagine Sheffield United get relegated next season due to not having the European money they should have got to strengthen their side while Arsenal fluke a CL win when they shouldn't have even been in Europe (and even going back to last season's placing's only qualified in the first place due to City's ban) Where would any integrity be then?

If this season can't be completed rewarding European places to the teams looking odds onto qualify trumps reverting back to last season placing's.
 
Offside said:
How am I adding more games? Would be the same games.

I get your second point completely which is why I don’t think it would happen. Finishing 16th and getting relegated is harsh when you’re being replaced by a team that finished 4th in the Championship.
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My mistake, I completely misread your post. I thought you were arguing for promotions but no relegations this year and then double relegations next year.

But yeah, anything that involves extra relegation spots will make clubs wary.
 
Finn MacCool said:
Really? Can you not spot when someone is taking the piss? Come on, we're all affected by this thing. Lets not go back to the narrative that by discussing potential outcomes we don't care.
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Fair enough. But I don't see you discussing outcome. You just logged on and said "whatever happens Liverpool will be declared champions" and refuse to accept or discuss anything other than that.

Which begs the question why bother?
 
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