Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

groovyalbert said:
There would be literal riots in Liverpool :lol:

The only fair way to complete the season - if games can't be played out, which I think will be the case - would be on a points-per-game predictor system. Which is essentially calling it as is.

Yes certain teams had momentum etc, but if each teams' set of fans were honest with where they felt their team deserved to finish, I'm sure few would argue with their current standings. I think United would have got 4th, but I think the 4 ahead of us have been better up to this point.

Null and void would be nice (lol Liverpool) but what's the point really? We go back to last season's table to work out next season's European places? That's ridiculous, and European coefficient scores just plays into the hands of the status quo who frankly don't deserve it based on the last 10 months.

This way we can just put the season behind us without ignoring what's happened so far, not everyone's happy but in what world is that going to happen? At least this is consistent.

My least favourite part about these debates is how much pandering is clearly being done to the TV companies. Afraid they're just going to have to lump it for now. Sure they could demand huge amounts of cash to cover their losses, but they'd be causing long term damage to a product which they themselves will be reliant on in the recovery years to come.
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PPG will never afford the champion any legitimacy outside of Liverpool. Their ‘win’ will be questioned forever, hence it would always be known as the *Champion.

Ditto playing games bcd @ neutral venues. Both are completely shambolic.

Am not sure why Liverpool would want to win such a status. Sure they’ve been extremely unlucky to have this happen now, but shit happens. Take it on the chin and move on.
 
Finn MacCool said:
Some people are still struggling to accept this despite all the statements to the contrary. The only major question left is how the season and by extension final placings will be concluded.
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I wouldn't take any statements to date as being gospel, as the truth is that they're gambling on being able to play it out by the end of the summer.

At the moment that looks totally unlikely, and the whole relegation thing surely can't be decided on points per game. And they surely can't just not bother with relegation.
So what happens there?
 
sammsky1 said:
Why not just void the whole season and then do a mini World Cup style format over summer BCD. Structure the tournament in such a way that it identifies a top 6 (European qual ) and bottom 3 (for relegation).

Winner of the tournament is also awarded as league champion.

Sure Liverpool will complain, but if they are that good, they will win tournament anyway.

Would be a once in a lifetime format, generate huge buzz and ad revenue and give all clubs and fans something to play for. Most important it has integrity in that it’s same conditions for every club.

I much prefer this approach to trying to complete league bcd, at neutral venues or PPG. It makes a mockery of impartiality and will mean the winner’s legitimacy will never be accepted.
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Surely Liverpool get to start every game they play with a few goals head start just to acknowledge the gigantic lead they have in the league? You know, since sporting integrity is so high on the agenda.
 
Shark said:
Except the end of the season kind of highlighted the fact that they aren't really that good, or as good as they though they were, just were on an absolutely crazy run of results.
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So you think they were more of a Leicester than City last season?
 
Pink Moon said:
Surely Liverpool get to start every game they play with a few goals head start just to acknowledge the gigantic lead they have in the league? You know, since sporting integrity is so high on the agenda.
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Not at all. It’s a new tournament. Any other scenario lacks neutrality and integrity. Or do you disagree?

Liverpool* have been very unlucky but that’s life.
 
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Sandikan said:
I wouldn't take any statements to date as being gospel, as the truth is that they're gambling on being able to play it out by the end of the summer.

At the moment that looks totally unlikely, and the whole relegation thing surely can't be decided on points per game. And they surely can't just not bother with relegation.
So what happens there?
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The statements have consistently said the season will not be voided. That doesn't mean that it will be played out and considering the UK's current covid19 situation it looks increasingly difficult to conclude it with even a reasonable degree of safety within the timeframe UEFA has imposed.

The two main drivers for playing out are money and contractual obligations with the FA and EFL regarding promotion - both are huge problems in different ways but something will eventually give. My bet would be a current placings are final with no relegation and if the EFL and FA push hard then possibly two promoted for a 22 team league whenever season 20/21 eventually gets underway.
 
Surely Liverpool* and their fans have to rise to the occasion and take it on their chin and move on to the next Season.
 
If United were in Liverpools position 95% of post in here would be totally different.

All that talk of integrity...
 
sammsky1 said:
How is it resolved? I can't see any legitimate way for you to win it without an *
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He said it's the easiest to resolve, not that it is resolved.

And it is the the easiest to resolve, regardless of whether they ultimately award it to Liverpool or not. Relegation & promotion is a lot trickier as it carries much greater consequence financially.
 
arnie_ni said:
United are second in loss due to this. You can feck of with that
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I think Utd and even Liverpool are a long way behind Leeds, WBA and co - not in terms of prestige but financially and for the futures of their clubs.
 
Three Florentina players test positive and one Torino player too tests positive to Covid 19.
 
Finn MacCool said:
I think Utd and even Liverpool are a long way behind Leeds, WBA and co - not in terms of prestige but financially and for the futures of their clubs.
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We are missing out on 2 potential cups and the CL, which could have a major effect on out tranfer window, setting us back years.

We also have the CL clause in our Adidas deal
 
Would be typical after a long gearing up to June/July that 40 PL players test positive against a handful in Italy Germany.
 
arnie_ni said:
We are missing out on 2 potential cups and the CL, which could have a major effect on out tranfer window, setting us back years.

We also have the CL clause in our Adidas deal
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All true but I still think a promotion from the Championship is more valuable but can see your point. Even if no more games in this seasons PL or EL happen I still think you will be in next season's CL if it takes place.
 
Finn MacCool said:
All true but I still think a promotion from the Championship is more valuable but can see your point. Even if no more games in this seasons PL or EL happen I still think you will be in next season's CL if it takes place.
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How do you think that?

Assuming you think city will be banned
 
Andersonson said:
If United were in Liverpools position 95% of post in here would be totally different.

All that talk of integrity...
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Have you just sprung up this last week?
The "Integrity" talk was totally from Liverpool fans for weeks and week and weeks, just based on any chance of them not getting the league.

The true integrity argument covers a huge amount more than one position. All this nonsense of neutral venues, shorter halves, no relegation, that's more In the ball park.
 
Finn MacCool said:
My bet would be a current placings are final with no relegation and if the EFL and FA push hard then possibly two promoted for a 22 team league whenever season 20/21 eventually gets underway.
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Yes, I could see that happening. Scrap the League Cup and try to play out a 42 game season behind closed doors from September/October.
 
arnie_ni said:
How do you think that?

Assuming you think city will be banned
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That is option one but that's unlikely unless CAS fast track the case. i was thinking more of the point Figgins made earlier in this thread - Utd have the highest Co-efficient of teams left in the EL. If its not played out but a place is still awarded in lieu of a winner then it would give UEFA a legitimate way of getting Utd back into the CL which is good for the competition.
 
Infra-red said:
Yes, I could see that happening. Scrap the League Cup and try to play out a 42 game season behind closed doors from September/October.
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The league cup that a lot of teams barely play a game in anyway, or play youth teamers?

So you're packing extra games in, but starting later? All with the Euros next summer?

Needs work, that plan.
 
Finn MacCool said:
That is option one but that's unlikely unless CAS fast track the case. i was thinking more of the point Figgins made earlier in this thread - Utd have the highest Co-efficient of teams left in the EL. If its not played out but a place is still awarded in lieu of a winner then it would give UEFA a legitimate way of getting Utd back into the CL which is good for the competition.
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Missed that now, hmm, feck it, cancel the season haha
 
Infra-red said:
Yes, I could see that happening. Scrap the League Cup and try to play out a 42 game season behind closed doors from September/October.
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I know it sounds crazy considering the situation but it might be the only real compromise that most teams would agree too.
 
Finn MacCool said:
That is option one but that's unlikely unless CAS fast track the case. i was thinking more of the point Figgins made earlier in this thread - Utd have the highest Co-efficient of teams left in the EL. If its not played out but a place is still awarded in lieu of a winner then it would give UEFA a legitimate way of getting Utd back into the CL which is good for the competition.
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Now you're getting to grips with how to act on a United forum :lol: :wenger:
 
Sandikan said:
The league cup that a lot of teams barely play a game in anyway, or play youth teamers?

So you're packing extra games in, but starting later? All with the Euros next summer?

Needs work, that plan.
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I expect next season to be curtailed by subsequent lockdowns, so it's already doomed to failure, but this is a plan I could see the FA/PL attempting.
 
Sandikan said:
Now you're getting to grips with how to act on a United forum :lol: :wenger:
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oh dear my standards are slipping :lol:

In all seriousness I would prefer Milan and other big clubs to be in it every year including Utd (just as long as you don't win it of course)
 
Finn MacCool said:
oh dear my standards are slipping :lol:

In all seriousness I would prefer Milan and other big clubs to be in it every year including Utd (just as long as you don't win it of course)
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Milan are a great example.
Such a supreme club with their history and rollcall of great players, and such a shame they've totally fallen off it.

Probably the first club that you associate with Italy being THE powerful, rich league.
 
Infra-red said:
I expect next season to be curtailed by subsequent lockdowns, so it's already doomed to failure, but this is a plan I could see the FA/PL attempting.
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If/when they do start awarding stuff this season, you'd imagine they hastily write some amendments to the rules book in case of the worst next season.

Otherwise, if Liverpool are awarded a league 75% of the season in, albeit with a huge lead, what happens if it's all called off at xxx, or yyy games in, with much smaller leads? Precedents are a dangerous thing.
 
arnie_ni said:
You do realise if there is a vote, no one would be surprised if chelsea vote no?

They have everything to lose and nothing to gain from the league being continued vs. stopped and the CL being picked based on current standing.s
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I wouldn't be surprised either but i'd just as happily call them out for it being complete BS if they tried to dress it as anything other than "it suits us".

If they play out the season with no relegation I will never watch an English football game again.
 
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