There is no way this season can be finished with legitimacy or be considered as viable. It won’t be a title, relegation/promotion that is deserved if the money men keep pushing it through. Any continuation of this season is false and worthless. So the intelligent thing to do is void it and work toward the next season. Illiterate plebs who think a restart of this season, also decimating NHS stock and killing thousands of people in the process, is worthwhile just to get a pseudo league running need to take a good look in the mirror
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Yes, its a delicate subject in terms of the CL and awarding places to clubs based on historical success. I see more pros than cons though and as a Liverpool fan I'm hedging my bets in case we fall off a cliff - again!
I am a sportsman, but I really do hope that this season gets voided....just so that LFC don't win the title.
Some people said that LFC cannot be prevented from winning the league this season....in walked in Covid19.
Regarding the Cup competitions - I think that they can be resumed at some stage, but if they aren't, no big loss for us.
Some people said that LFC cannot be prevented from winning the league this season....in walked in Covid19.
Regarding the Cup competitions - I think that they can be resumed at some stage, but if they aren't, no big loss for us.
If this is doing your head in, why do you think a new season in August would be any better, the virus will still be here then.
Someone been unbiased would either say don't play games now "and" then. But when someone says void (without understanding that's not even an option now and would cause legal chaos) and then play a new season, you can tell right off there is bias.
My last post for the day so no more replies to replies I get now.
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Also I see many replies that have not read existing posts, to clarify to those who don't understand.
UEFA have decided next season qualification is on 2019/2020 merits, no coefficient, no last season standings, if an association tries to nominate teams not on these merits, UEFA will reject it.
Voiding would also cause legal chaos it is not going to happen. Abandoning is a possibility, but not voiding. If we abandon, then in my view this should automatically mean no new season either, you wither finish this season, or you don't get next season either for consistency.
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They wont. If there's no relegation they'll cancel the season just i think
Hard not to admire your very honest sporting attitude.
If football has taught us anything, is that no club stays at the top consistently forever. Each of our clubs has had big periods at the top, but it can drop off fairly quickly. Just takes a Souness or Moyes, with complacency and making dreadful decisions across the board.
Oddly, even though you've had probably the biggest cruise to a title in memory, and City a fairly easy cruise a couple of years back, I can't get over that Chelsea early 2000s Mourinho team as being the one who at the time I just didn't see doing anything but dominating for the foreseeable.
They were a machine, didn't concede any goals, and had the highest bankrolling.
After the way they dropped off, and how we saw City comfortably drop off this season, I never presume anyone will dominate for years again.
But yes, agree, you can't do any wildcards into tournaments. They've already staggered it to be as close to one as you can get as it is. I mean, 4 spots for the dominant 4 leagues - which surely Italy and England will never be outside of, and then a 5th place for the Europa winners?!
It's already stacked in teams favours!
Really?? And you get to decide the line where "fairplay" stops and "bias" starts?
Voiding the season gets rid of big headaches like player contracts, relegation spots, CL, EL spots and all such stuff. Which means the only thing we need to be concerned about is when we will be able to start the next season. And everyone starts from the same spot, so less likely to complain or submit appeals on unfair treatment.
I don't see how it could be anything else other than voiding. Because pool are so far ahead, give them an honorary title, hence a star against it.
Europe, unfortunately, would be on last seasons standings.
Promotion will happen, the PL would be sued if they didn't, but there wouldn't be any relegation, just expanded leagues and more relegation next season. The promoted clubs would be happy with that, as will the clubs not getting relegated
And as I mentioned with the money aspect, hold a mini tournament, show it on sky/bt so they can get their advertising money
Just cancel the league then and declare positions as final. No matter what happens their will be legal challenges.
Yes that Chelsea team looked unbeatable for his first two seasons. It was a combination of Ronaldo and a few other brilliant signings which stopped them form 3 in a row.
Re: the CL - From a purely tribal selfish perspective the problem going forward is that it won't be long before the Big 6 becomes the Big 7 (Newcastle) and who knows what other team will get new owners willing to bankroll them to success. Therefore I am (just) in favour of CL spots based on historical success. It would have to be based on a strict formula and not just awarded based on a preference (I see the irony in that considering this thread!). Apart from the odd group of death many of the group games in the CL are shite. I would prefer an 8th placed Milan team playing rather than a poor quality team from another league.
Surely they will be able to start it soon. Behind closed doors should not be a big problem. Just play it in June and get this season over with.
The trouble with the promoting two teams thing is that it’s arbitrary. Why not 3? Leeds and wba are not guaranteed to win either.
How do you choose promotions from the championship
Absolutely but there is no perfect solution. If the season can't be concluded they will have to decide on what is the least worst option. Two teams promoted instead of 3 is a compromise the EFL and FA may be willing to accept.
You ideally want a nice mixture of historical legendary teams, and teams that come from the minor leagues to show it's truly a whole of Europe competition, rather than a move towards the dreaded super league.
I'm relaxed about Newcastle. Even if their proposed new owners want to go the "all in" City way, they'll find it's a tricky mixture of having to offer sky high wages, but watch the financial fair play rules.
All the time trying to compete with 2 oil teams (let's still count Chelsea as one) and us. Throw in Liverpool also having decent money, but also astute recent purchasing power, and they won't find it as easy to dominate as Chelsea and City did.
Social distancing will still be in the latest gov plan, so you can't just allow a bunch of footballers to break it.
How are you going to justify normal people not being to able to go and play football, or even go out in 2s etc?
2 automatic places and one place comes from the playoff tournament is the only logic.
But the logic stops when deciding that 6-7 points can't be caught up, despite Leeds bottling it last year. Plus deciding that Norwich (I think 6 points from safety) in the premier league can't be relegated on the same logic.
If they do go for these PPG promotions, it's got to be 3, and it's got to apply to league 1 too
Although the idea of my other boys reaching the championship for the first ever time, and not being able to go to any games, whilst possibly getting smashed more often than not, will be a very bizarre year.
Those teams in 3-6 won’t allow it. Certainly I can’t see why they would
Exactly. I don't believe there is anything morally wrong in having say two places awarded to teams with either the most CL titles, or most games or even high co-efficient or whatever is deemed a fair way to decide. I would be totally against a team being invited to play just because they're XYZ. It has to be based on some sort of merit. The CL needs a revamp, the current format feels a bit stale. I'd love them to trial straight knockout, even if the first couple of rounds were seeded it would still mean that every single game has something on it. And no I'm not in favour of a Super League. Domestic football is the bread and butter, its where rivalries are fiercest and it feels like where most is at stake.
I agree it will likely take the Geordies longer than both Chelsea and City to make their financial doping play off. A lot obviously depends on the manager and recruitment team - put in Rafa, Poch etc and give them money and I think they'll be challenging the top 6 (not the title) in about 3 seasons. In some ways it exciting, its another two huge games to look forward to in the mini league at the top.
I'd be shocked if the season doesn't end with a few lawsuits. There is absolutely no way the team that goes down will accept the relegation, and in a way its fair as well.
Look at BHA's games. They have Arsenal, United, Pool and City left but all of them are at home. They can easily argue that at a home venue, they might have picked up a lucky win and a draw or something like that. But playing at a neutral venue removes all that advantage.
And if you remove relegation from the season, a lot of their players might just refuse to play as they'd regard safety of their families, themselves to be of utmost importance. This would mean that Utd's run-in would basically be a game vs Leicester, Spurs and 7 odd dead rubbers. Should we qualify for CL because of this, Chelsea would surely raise this.
In a way, one can argue that they should follow Eredivisie's model and be done with it
Look at BHA's games. They have Arsenal, United, Pool and City left but all of them are at home. They can easily argue that at a home venue, they might have picked up a lucky win and a draw or something like that. But playing at a neutral venue removes all that advantage.
And if you remove relegation from the season, a lot of their players might just refuse to play as they'd regard safety of their families, themselves to be of utmost importance. This would mean that Utd's run-in would basically be a game vs Leicester, Spurs and 7 odd dead rubbers. Should we qualify for CL because of this, Chelsea would surely raise this.
In a way, one can argue that they should follow Eredivisie's model and be done with it
They won't agree to it that's for sure but if the seasons can't be finished and some form of promotion "must" happen (Rick Parry said he expects 3 teams to go up, otherwise its lawyers) then it might be a reasonable compromise. Lets put it this way, no matter what happens there is no way that all 92 clubs will be happy.
You either play it out completely or you don’t play it at all. That includes playoffs and the normal systems in place.
Fulham are only 6 points behind WBA and Bristol, Millwall, Cardiff, Swansea and Blackburn are all within 3 points of the playoffs. If they don’t get given the right to try and make it there and compete in them, then it’s a farce.
You can’t change a competitions rules 3/4 of the way through.
Another small point is that this has been a year of players lives and legacies, it can’t just be written off. Some of these players competing for promotion will get big pay rises and bonuses in a career you can compete in for a maximum of 15 years if you are lucky.
It has to be finished, and it has to be finished to the very end.
It’s unfortunate about stadiums and locations but these sort of things have happened before, with sides needing to play at other grounds. It’s a security issue and doesn’t fall into the remit for me.
It’s being used as an excuse by clubs who want to force a conclusion that best suits their current situations.
Play the games that you are obligated to play, continue to compete and finish the season your club has been paid millions to compete in.
I don’t imagine Villa, Brighton and the like will give back their TV money?
Fulham are only 6 points behind WBA and Bristol, Millwall, Cardiff, Swansea and Blackburn are all within 3 points of the playoffs. If they don’t get given the right to try and make it there and compete in them, then it’s a farce.
You can’t change a competitions rules 3/4 of the way through.
Another small point is that this has been a year of players lives and legacies, it can’t just be written off. Some of these players competing for promotion will get big pay rises and bonuses in a career you can compete in for a maximum of 15 years if you are lucky.
It has to be finished, and it has to be finished to the very end.
It’s unfortunate about stadiums and locations but these sort of things have happened before, with sides needing to play at other grounds. It’s a security issue and doesn’t fall into the remit for me.
It’s being used as an excuse by clubs who want to force a conclusion that best suits their current situations.
Play the games that you are obligated to play, continue to compete and finish the season your club has been paid millions to compete in.
I don’t imagine Villa, Brighton and the like will give back their TV money?
So what ? It still doesn't change anything on the legal side of things. What was it that was being said by the footballing authorities a few weeks ago ? 'We'll start football again only when it's safe & appropriate to do so'. Well it's most certainly not safe to do so with this virus still very much around. & it's hardly appropriate either with hundreds still dying in this country. So whatever course of action they take - other than restarting only when it actually is safe & appropriate - is going to be the wrong one. So dates, plans for next season, etc, mean f**k all in the grand scheme of things. Too many people on here are getting bogged down with trivial little things & semantics. But if you look at the much bigger picture you'll see that we, the FA & PL, & the government, are all being held as hostages to fate by way of an insidious little twat called Covid-19.
4 people have tested positive at Sampdoria as well. That's 10 players and staff between two clubs already in Serie A.
Plus one Torino player.
In other words, finish the season.
Confirmed today that the Danish and the Norwegian league will start up. June 16 in Norway and probably end of May in Denmark.
So if this season can't be completed just abandon the whole idea of next season too?
Why?
Nope. Have a 'season' where there is no bias or inconsistency. Quite a simple concept really.
This would still involve a lot of teams and a lot of games. There are only 9 games left of the season, so you just as well finish it then.
I‘m not sure why you’re so wound up and complaining to me. I wrote:
If you have complaints contact Kicker, not me. Move on.
Israel is planning to restart as well on May 30.
This article suggests that it's not just the smaller teams who are opposed to playing at neutral venues.
Still, if they decide to void the season, it has to down to safety reasons, not because neutral venues are unfair. That can not be the one thing stopping fotball from returning. Besides, with 9 games to go, there are no teams having huge advantages of playing at neutral venues.
Yeah it's kind of shameful that the safety aspect isn't really even the topic of discussion in the media as much as the perceived unfairness to the relegation threatened teams.
The hell we are. Leeds? West Brom? Sheff Utd?
How is that nonsense? Trying to get the league finished is the correct way to go. Being innovative in the process is smart. Should they just cancel it and void it because it can't be played at home venues?
Why not try to get it done, by having every player tested and at neutral stadiums if thats the safest way?
Atleast the league is trying and coming up with options and solutions. Thats far better than just voiding it.