Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

Tel074 said:
Neutral venues and anything apart from finishing the season as it started is non event . Clubs start a season in good faith and to give anyone a certain advantage now just to go finish a season is insane . No one wants a void season but it's better to void than to change the rules during the season
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No it isn't, void is a nuclear option. Which is a reason why no professional league will carry out that option.

You cannot just pretend 3/4 of a season did not happen. Those games were played under normal competitive fair conditions.

F1 is an example of a sport that changes rules during its season, I don't like it but it does happen.

Personally I think we in very unusual difficult circumstances, and there needs to be compromises made, I feel whats been put on the table is reasonable, and the clubs refusing know full well what they asking for cannot be given, if the EPL backed down and said ok you can play at home, they would then refuse on the ground there is no fans, and stating without fans they don't have enough advantage so relegation should be off the table. They just want to stay up and using this as a cheap way of doing it.

If the league is abandoned I know my club LCFC will get a CL spot, but I still want it to be completed as I believe its the fairest way forward.

It be interesting to see if the issue gets forced e.g. imposing relegation on all six unless they fall in line. Obviously they trying to get everyone's agreements so relegated clubs don't go to the courts end of season.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
All sports are planning their return atm, but some people seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders that football is doing the same.

It's odd that some think football will take some sort of moral standing here, they were called out for even thinking about using the furlough scheme, and now they're been called out for daring to think about getting the season finished, and also been sure of getting the money in that they had budgeted on receiving.

They will no doubt be clobbered next season if it's all behind closed doors anyway, so for alot of clubs sake I hope we can restart, the scrutiny will be massive so they will have to get it right if it does make it back.
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Indeed, there seems to be some really hardcore opposition to football returning, I think a big part of it is that a lot of people think if fans cannot attend, then the game shouldn't be played, they have a mindset, you with play with fans in attendance or don't play at all. Then you have the fans of clubs that can be relegated, don't want Liverpool to get their first EPL title or have nothing to play for, and that explains a lot of whats going on.
 
RUCK4444 said:
This is a nonsense, you can't change rules to to a league that has started with another set of rules.

Money is forcing this restart, the season should be voided, award the dippers the PL trophy if we must, current top four/five qualify for Europe and the relegation placed teams are relegated.

It's an act of god, nobody can be blamed for this, tough shite for the unlucky teams. This virus needs to be firmly under control first then start a fresh league once it's safe for everybody.

And trust me I'm missing football as much as the next guy.
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What you describe is abandoning not void. I wouldn't be against your idea, although I prefer the season been finished, this is better than pretending 3/4 of the season means nothing.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
Personally I think we in very unusual difficult circumstances, and there needs to be compromises made, I feel whats been put on the table is reasonable, and the clubs refusing know full well what they asking for cannot be given, if the EPL backed down and said ok you can play at home, they would then refuse on the ground there is no fans, and stating without fans they don't have enough advantage so relegation should be off the table. They just want to stay up and using this as a cheap way of doing it.
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It's hardly cheap when relegation means losing huge amounts of money and opportunity. It's only logical to insist that outside circumstances shouldn't dictate your fate in that manner, especially since the restart is purely due to money and all sporting integrity is effectively gone.

It makes sense if you put yourself in those clubs' shoes. In fact, it wasn't that long ago that Leicester was in a similar position at the bottom of the table.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
Indeed, there seems to be some really hardcore opposition to football returning, I think a big part of it is that a lot of people think if fans cannot attend, then the game shouldn't be played, they have a mindset, you with play with fans in attendance or don't play at all. Then you have the fans of clubs that can be relegated, don't want Liverpool to get their first EPL title or have nothing to play for, and that explains a lot of whats going on.
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OR we just simply thinks it's stupid to risk lives just for entertainment.

Off course your stance has nothing to do with Liverpool winning the league this year, because you only want what's fair for everyone.
 
Will TV money be fully paid when the EPL does not deliver all matches?

In the Bundesliga they need the quarter of the sum they get for the last matches. They already loose the money for the tickets! The clubs all want to play!
 
He'sRaldo said:
It's hardly cheap when relegation means losing huge amounts of money and opportunity. It's only logical to insist that outside circumstances shouldn't dictate your fate in that manner, especially since the restart is purely due to money and all sporting integrity is effectively gone.

It makes sense if you put yourself in those clubs' shoes. In fact, it wasn't that long ago that Leicester was in a similar position at the bottom of the table.
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If this happened in our great escape situation my view would be the same, I perhaps wouldn't be so public about it, but it would be the same.

It is cheap as its a means of avoiding relegation without football deciding it.

I am shocked you used the word integrity, as either voiding the season, or removing the risk of relegation does not have integrity when 3/4 of the season has been played.

If you even read my posts I have even stated LCFC probably dont want to play the rest of the season as we get CL if its abandoned now, but I think its better to play it out, even if it means we drop out of the top 4.

In terms of integrity from best to work.

Play out rest of season as normal (cannot be done due to health and safety).
Play with amended rules for safety, honour league standings as normal at end of it.
Decide league table based on predicted results formula. Honour standings.
Decide table on PPG, Honour standings.
Abandon season, Honour existing standings.
Play rest of season with relegation removed.
Abandon season, Honour standings but no relegation.
Abandon season, Do not honour existing standings, only game results mean anything.
Void season

Void season has the least integrity out of all options.
 
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Fox_Chrys said:
If this happened in our great escape situation my view would be the same, I perhaps wouldn't be so public about it, but it would be the same.

It is cheap as its a means of avoiding relegation without football deciding it.

I am shocked you used the word integrity, as either voiding the season, or removing the risk of relegation does not have integrity when 3/4 of the season has been played.

If you even read my posts I have even stated LCFC probably dont want to play the rest of the season as we get CL if its abandoned now, but I think its better to play it out, even if it means we drop out of the top 4.
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Good post. Fully agree and the season should be completed IF IT'S SAFE to do so as that's a much fairer outcome. I bolded the words IF IT'S SAFE so people don't think I am being selfish.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
If this happened in our great escape situation my view would be the same, I perhaps wouldn't be so public about it, but it would be the same.

It is cheap as its a means of avoiding relegation without football deciding it.

I am shocked you used the word integrity, as either voiding the season, or removing the risk of relegation does not have integrity when 3/4 of the season has been played.
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The season doesn't have to be completed if it cannot be in a fair manner. It depends on your definition of voided, but to me abandoning the season, the reason being that outside circumstances prevented it from being completed, seems a reasonable thing to do. It's the large amount of money on the table that makes that decision hard.

Fox_Chrys said:
If you even read my posts I have even stated LCFC probably dont want to play the rest of the season as we get CL if its abandoned now, but I think its better to play it out, even if it means we drop out of the top 4.
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I did read those and that's fair enough, but relegation from the Premier League is a different story to missing out on CL football. Fair enough if your views would be the same in 2014, but I think you'd be in the minority and those on the opposite end wouldn't necessarily be wrong.
 
Slysi17 said:
Good post. Fully agree and the season should be completed IF IT'S SAFE to do so as that's a much fairer outcome. I bolded the words IF IT'S SAFE so people don't think I am being selfish.
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That goes without saying, the neutral venues is probably there because that has been decided by government as a "safe" way to go. If it is deemed unsafe to play at home grounds, then that should not even be considered.

It is very likely the EPL has been in talks for weeks about how to resume, this would not have gone public or be proposed to the clubs if the EPL was told its not safe to do this.

But obviously if the government was to come out now saying the proposal is unsafe, then that's that, it should not happen.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
That goes without saying, the neutral venues is probably there because that has been decided by government as a "safe" way to go. If it is deemed unsafe to play at home grounds, then that should not even be considered.

It is very likely the EPL has been in talks for weeks about how to resume, this would not have gone public or be proposed to the clubs if the EPL was told its not safe to do this.

But obviously if the government was to come out now saying the proposal is unsafe, then that's that, it should not happen.
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If the government said that, then I would be absolutely fine with it. In that instance the league should be cancelled. That's my feelings in a nutshell
 
Fox_Chrys said:
That goes without saying, the neutral venues is probably there because that has been decided by government as a "safe" way to go. If it is deemed unsafe to play at home grounds, then that should not even be considered.

It is very likely the EPL has been in talks for weeks about how to resume, this would not have gone public or be proposed to the clubs if the EPL was told its not safe to do this.

But obviously if the government was to come out now saying the proposal is unsafe, then that's that, it should not happen.
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Didnt the same government tells you all to work from home, stay home safe lives and all that?
 
No way they can fairly finish the premier League with neutral grounds. Some teams will have already played hardest away games and some not. Would be a total farce.

Should void the league and do a seeded round Robin or similar Knockout tournament using 10 grounds they've got available to decide European places. Put that on TV in place of normal premier League games.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
What you describe is abandoning not void. I wouldn't be against your idea, although I prefer the season been finished, this is better than pretending 3/4 of the season means nothing.
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How does the first 3/4 of the season mean nothing in this scenario? It literally decides who finishes where.
 
Mb194dc said:
No way they can fairly finish the premier League with neutral grounds. Some teams will have already played hardest away games and some not. Would be a total farce.

Should void the league and do a seeded round Robin or similar Knockout tournament using 10 grounds they've got available to decide European places. Put that on TV in place of normal premier League games.
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So liverpool Champions and bottom 3 relegated?
 
Blackwidow said:
Will TV money be fully paid when the EPL does not deliver all matches?

In the Bundesliga they need the quarter of the sum they get for the last matches. They already loose the money for the tickets! The clubs all want to play!
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yeah the clubs (businesses) want to play.

But do the players? Outside of what they are saying publicly I'd be betting they want clarity of health and safety protocols
 
McFakenewsipan said:
So liverpool Champions and bottom 3 relegated?
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No league positions if voided, for the reasons in the post. Totally unfair if using different grounds for last games without fans. Some teams will have played much harder away games than others so far. Fixture list in the league isn't mirrored, would be a total farce.

Just do a separate one off tournament, with round robin and then knockouts to sort out who qualifies for Europe, prize money and to full-fill the TV contracts. Have 10 neutral grounds to use, how hard can it be to organise a tournament? TV companies should be happy, this season had been dreadful anyway, tournament will be much more exciting and fair way to finish it.
 
One more problem, if true, accures if they go with playing football in June. From BBC

Teams that play in Europe would be needed to stay at home for 14 days in quarantine. Let take us as example.

9 games left in Premier League
5 games left if we go all the way to final in Europa League
3 games left if we go all the way to final in the FA cup

If we go through in EL that would mean 28 days (2 away games) for quarantine. Almost a month. Say that EL final if before TheFA cup final we would need another 14 days in quarantine. 42 days! Let say that you need every 3 games between the rest. Suddenly we are looking at more than 3 months in total. If you start playing mid-June you can't even start new season before October.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
No it isn't, void is a nuclear option. Which is a reason why no professional league will carry out that option.

You cannot just pretend 3/4 of a season did not happen. Those games were played under normal competitive fair conditions.

F1 is an example of a sport that changes rules during its season, I don't like it but it does happen.

Personally I think we in very unusual difficult circumstances, and there needs to be compromises made, I feel whats been put on the table is reasonable, and the clubs refusing know full well what they asking for cannot be given, if the EPL backed down and said ok you can play at home, they would then refuse on the ground there is no fans, and stating without fans they don't have enough advantage so relegation should be off the table. They just want to stay up and using this as a cheap way of doing it.

If the league is abandoned I know my club LCFC will get a CL spot, but I still want it to be completed as I believe its the fairest way forward.

It be interesting to see if the issue gets forced e.g. imposing relegation on all six unless they fall in line. Obviously they trying to get everyone's agreements so relegated clubs don't go to the courts end of season.
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No professional league will void ? The Dutch already have ?
 
90 + 5min said:
One more problem, if true, accures if they go with playing football in June. From BBC

Teams that play in Europe would be needed to stay at home for 14 days in quarantine. Let take us as example.

9 games left in Premier League
5 games left if we go all the way to final in Europa League
3 games left if we go all the way to final in the FA cup

If we go through in EL that would mean 28 days (2 away games) for quarantine. Almost a month. Say that EL final if before TheFA cup final we would need another 14 days in quarantine. 42 days! Let say that you need every 3 games between the rest. Suddenly we are looking at more than 3 months in total. If you start playing mid-June you can't even start new season before October.
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Why would you have to quarantine 14days ? They will be checked On a continuous basis
 
Red00012 said:
Why would you have to quarantine 14days ? They will be checked On a continuous basis
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If you read the article they are talking about quarantine for people coming to UK, expect Ireland. If players go abroad to play away games than the rules must be for them to. Or?
 
90 + 5min said:
If you read the article they are talking about quarantine for people coming to UK, expect Ireland. If players go abroad to play away games than the rules must be for them to. Or?
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Slim chance of EL been finished if that is passed.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
If this happened in our great escape situation my view would be the same, I perhaps wouldn't be so public about it, but it would be the same.

It is cheap as its a means of avoiding relegation without football deciding it.

I am shocked you used the word integrity, as either voiding the season, or removing the risk of relegation does not have integrity when 3/4 of the season has been played.

If you even read my posts I have even stated LCFC probably dont want to play the rest of the season as we get CL if its abandoned now, but I think its better to play it out, even if it means we drop out of the top 4.

In terms of integrity from best to work.

Play out rest of season as normal (cannot be done due to health and safety).
Play with amended rules for safety, honour league standings as normal at end of it.
Decide league table based on predicted results formula. Honour standings.
Decide table on PPG, Honour standings.
Abandon season, Honour existing standings.
Play rest of season with relegation removed.
Abandon season, Honour standings but no relegation.
Abandon season, Do not honour existing standings, only game results mean anything.
Void season

Void season has the least integrity out of all options.
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Which amended rules?
 
Tel074 said:
No professional league will void ? The Dutch already have ?
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Ligue 1 cancelled too, they weren't able to even play at neutral grounds, like the premier League is. So just fixed the table as is.

EPL can play football just can't finish the part completed league, not allowed to use own stadiums. Would be totally unfair on some teams.

Only sensible option is a seperate tournament to sort finishing positions out and no relegation this season.
 
stevoc said:
It's possible that could happen, but the difference going into a new season could be and should be all teams agreeing beforehand that if theres another bad outbreak then the season will be abandoned. Regardless of how little or much of it has been completed or where any particular team happens to be in the league table.

That knowledge would be a luxury the teams didn't have going into this season.
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This after abandoning this season and all the financial impact that will have had? Don't get me wrong I get it, but I can't see how clubs are expected to be so passive as to just say lets abandon this season as cannot 100 % guarantee that everything will be safe, and then if the inevitable second wave comes at any point next season then just abandon it all over again, because it's the right thing to do, etc.

If the sponsors, and TV broadcasters are going to guarantee them the money they are expecting, or if not people are going to be ok with the government stepping in to pay their bills, then fair enough, but they won't.
 
dwd said:
:lol: Only 3 minutes later
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And the shock horror that it's a dipper fan at it .

The cafe should have put all Liverpool supporters on furlough from this forum until the pandemic is over .
 
Tel074 said:
And the shock horror that it's a dipper fan at it .

The cafe should have put all Liverpool supporters on furlough from this forum until the pandemic is over .
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I agree. It’s full of scousers in here. Mind boggling
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I think they’d change their minds when they realised that Furlough is limited to £2,500 a month
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Honestly I wonder if its much down to money. These players have risks they won't take for any amount anyway, some might have underlying asthma or high risk relatives (this is the case with 2 villa players for example).

Players make a boat load of money from sponsorships and branding these days anyway, gone are the times where they were massively reliant purely on club wages.
 
They won't void it until the last moment, because there is no guarantee that next winter we won't be seeing another wave of the virus. To not be able to finish one season is bad, but two will be a disaster.
 
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