SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Covidiots in Australia

https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...victoria/7c2f0133-d784-4fc6-8361-bb6652a2f4eb

Anti-vaxxers, Bill Gates/5G conspiracy theorists and all driven by white supremacists. Not that big but .....

Still a small group at least. Here it's tens of thousands of people now. Really weird mix of people as well. No white supremacists but certainly right-wing conspiracy theorists but also a lot of anti-fascist people, social media influencers and even reputable scientists. There has been a worrying number of attacks on journalists as well at these event. On May Day a camera team from a popular satirical show covering a demonstration in Berlin was ambushed and physically attacked by a group of 15-20 leftists which, as evidence suggests, was pre-planned.
 
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I wish I was surprised but I'm not by our media anymore, complete cnuts.
 
Looks like England are going much more gung ho than Wales. The only changes here are exercising more than once a day, garden centres able to open etc, nothing mentioned about cafes or pubs or meeting pals in the park.

I thought the Government backtracked on these comments and said there wont be much of a release?

There seems to be a lot of mixed messages coming out. Personally we should do what they have done in Scotland and Wales.
 
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Scotland won’t be using the Stay Alert message, in Wales the message is still Stay at Home. Not confusing at all.

Also, Stay Alert is not a great message for people who suffer from anxiety.
 
How Boris Johnson Sided With "Doves" Over "Hawks" In His Government To Slow The UK's Exit From Lockdown

'Cabinet “doves” have claimed victory in a month-long battle that has raged at the top of government, securing a more cautious easing of coronavirus lockdown measures than sought by “hawks” who had wanted a rapid lifting of restrictions. Ahead of Boris Johnson’s address to the nation on Sunday evening, where he will give details of a “roadmap” for the phased relaxation of lockdown measures, BuzzFeed News can reveal details of the deeply politicised and at times heated debate across Downing Street, cabinet and the wider Conservative party that has taken place behind the scenes since the PM was discharged from hospital.

It can be revealed that:

• Some senior Number 10 advisers, cabinet ministers, senior civil servants and “a clear majority” of Tory MPs had initially lobbied for a “rival” exit strategy, privately arguing that the lockdown should be lifted more quickly than Johnson will announce tomorrow.

• But when Johnson returned after being hospitalised with the virus, he chose to back another group of Downing Street aides, senior ministers and officials who had called for a “safety first” approach. His chief aide Dominic Cummings’ view has also moved in favour of this position over the last few weeks.

• Most of the lockdown measures will remain in place after Sunday, with piecemeal changes to the number of times people can leave their homes and head to open spaces, followed by a staggered lifting of other restrictions, reopening schools and the wider economy over the following weeks if key data improves.

• Senior ministers have expressed fury at what one described as “weeks of insane briefing” to the media, accusing government hawks of trying to force Johnson into relaxing more measures, and claiming some newspapers were pursuing an anti-lockdown agenda because of fears about sales.'


More:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/boris-johnson-sided-doves-over-hawks-lockdown

Wonder if he had two letters written?
 
I don't mean to join a pile-on here if there is one, but this seems like appalling management.

Fortunately for me the managerial metrics for which I've been judged over the last several years (including employee retention) don't include the opinions of Redcafe members! Phew.

Now let's stay on topic.
 
I thought the Government backtracked on these comments and said there wont be much of a release?

There seems to be a lot of mixed messages coming out. Personally we should do what they have done in Scotland and Wales.

It doesn’t matter what the government says if the media are posting those headlines and the BBC are filming street parties/celebrating them. It completely undermines the government and the lockdown they have imposed. We can argue about how poorly the government has handled the situation but instead of trying to be the better people in a situation like that, the media have decided to join them and a minority of the UK has too. Doing these things just gives more people the confidence to go and do what they want.

The lines about doing things together to beat the virus are laughable when the media blasts a professor for breaking the rules but a day-few days later decide to celebrate the VE nonsense/clapping for carers/freedom on Monday stuff.
 
Scotland won’t be using the Stay Alert message, in Wales the message is still Stay at Home. Not confusing at all.

Also, Stay Alert is not a great message for people who suffer from anxiety.

We should have a tannoy on every street corner, randomly announcing "stay alert"
 
Meanwhile here in Italy there is still debate about whether or not we can drive to the next comune to go to a proper supermarket. The cautious response of the local carabinieri seems to be "si". I have heard from one Brit who did it and although she was stopped, they were OK about it. We still have to carry our authorisation form, ID, wear a mask in the car ....

Our relaxation of lockdown isn't that relaxed, which is a good thing in my view.
 
Marr was interesting this morning. David Spiegelhalter, the well-regarded statistician, was lamenting the government for its “number theatre” during the daily press briefings. I agree with him, too. The general public are too consumed with the overall deaths numbers per day and it’s overwhelmed any sort of rational discussion surrounding the figures and logical next steps. It’s been reduced to: 600 people died yesterday; extend until we’re safe!

I understand the anxiety. But, it’s so much more nuanced than that, in reality. He went on to explain that there are 10 million children aged 15 and under in the UK. Two have died with COVID. He then explained that there are 17 million under 25s in the UK, 26 of which have died with COVID; many of them had underlying health conditions, too. Lockdown will have suppressed these numbers, although it’s also arguable that the virus was spreading through the community weeks and months prior to lockdown measures. I’d be interested to see the cancer and suicide death tallies for those within these age brackets for comparison.

On the other hand, 1% of 90+ people have died with COVID, which is frightening. They are, therefore, 10,000 times more at risk than younger people to the virus.

Firstly, it really highlights just how depressingly lethal this virus is to the older demographic. It reinforces, also, just how farcical the government’s (non) approach to care homes has been. Secondly, it’s important that the government emphasise to the general public that this virus isn’t particularly lethal to younger people. Yes, they can transmit the disease, and sensible measures should be implemented to reduce the spread, but there are far too many people that think their chances of dying with COVID is far higher than it really is. I’ve been speaking to parents of primary school children in recent weeks and there has been a substantial number that remarked that they were unwilling to send their children back to school upon return. It would be unprofessional to do so, so I didn’t, but the overwhelming thought that went through my head was that their child is more likely to get hit by a car outside the school gates. The government needs to engage in a far more adult conversation about the reality of this virus.

And I hate to bang on about it, but the economy really is lives. We have about 7 million people on furlough in the UK right now. I’m not sure that the general public have truly grasped just how many of those jobs will no longer exist in twelve, maybe six, months time. When they go, what do you do to replace them? I’m from a mining town. The last time an industry was disbanded, people were left to rot.

X, Y and Z will be there when this all blows over.”

Often uttered, that is. It’s also completely wrong; uttered by those who, through no real fault of their own, have yet to truly understand the long term complexity of the situation. They say 600 deaths on the tele and fixate on that, understandably. But they’re wrong to do so. A lot of people in this country are going to be absolutely fecked, for want of a better phrase. It’s why I cringe, somewhat, when I read messages, tweets and other comments that appear to embrace the ongoing lockdown. Really, it’s a middle class luxury for many. For the disadvantaged, it’s potentially a death sentence.
 
I wish I was surprised but I'm not by our media anymore, complete cnuts.

Totally and completely disgusting.
I am hopeful that the lockdown massively reduces the number of papers sold.
Especially the worst of the worst DM.
 
Marr was interesting this morning. David Spiegelhalter, the well-regarded statistician, was lamenting the government for its “number theatre” during the daily press briefings. I agree with him, too. The general public are too consumed with the overall deaths numbers per day and it’s overwhelmed any sort of rational discussion surrounding the figures and logical next steps. It’s been reduced to: 600 people died yesterday; extend until we’re safe!

I understand the anxiety. But, it’s so much more nuanced than that, in reality. He went on to explain that there are 10 million children aged 15 and under in the UK. Two have died with COVID. He then explained that there are 17 million under 25s in the UK, 26 of which have died with COVID; many of them had underlying health conditions, too. Lockdown will have suppressed these numbers, although it’s also arguable that the virus was spreading through the community weeks and months prior to lockdown measures. I’d be interested to see the cancer and suicide death tallies for those within these age brackets for comparison.

On the other hand, 1% of 90+ people have died with COVID, which is frightening. They are, therefore, 10,000 times more at risk than younger people to the virus.

Firstly, it really highlights just how depressingly lethal this virus is to the older demographic. It reinforces, also, just how farcical the government’s (non) approach to care homes has been. Secondly, it’s important that the government emphasise to the general public that this virus isn’t particularly lethal to younger people. Yes, they can transmit the disease, and sensible measures should be implemented to reduce the spread, but there are far too many people that think their chances of dying with COVID is far higher than it really is. I’ve been speaking to parents of primary school children in recent weeks and there has been a substantial number that remarked that they were unwilling to send their children back to school upon return. It would be unprofessional to do so, so I didn’t, but the overwhelming thought that went through my head was that their child is more likely to get hit by a car outside the school gates. The government needs to engage in a far more adult conversation about the reality of this virus.

And I hate to bang on about it, but the economy really is lives. We have about 7 million people on furlough in the UK right now. I’m not sure that the general public have truly grasped just how many of those jobs will no longer exist in twelve, maybe six, months time. When they go, what do you do to replace them? I’m from a mining town. The last time an industry was disbanded, people were left to rot.

X, Y and Z will be there when this all blows over.”

Often uttered, that is. It’s also completely wrong; uttered by those who, through no real fault of their own, have yet to truly understand the long term complexity of the situation. They say 600 deaths on the tele and fixate on that, understandably. But they’re wrong to do so. A lot of people in this country are going to be absolutely fecked, for want of a better phrase. It’s why I cringe, somewhat, when I read messages, tweets and other comments that appear to embrace the ongoing lockdown. Really, it’s a middle class luxury for many. For the disadvantaged, it’s potentially a death sentence.

This is a really big complaint against a point nobody is making.

Nobody wants a permanent lockdown until nobody is dying.

The government is not fit for purpose and seems To think the options are : Lockdown or just Whiteknuckle it.

There is no plan. That’s the problem.
 
This is a really big complaint against a point nobody is making.

Nobody wants a permanent lockdown until nobody is dying.

The government is not fit for purpose and seems To think the options are : Lockdown or just Whiteknuckle it.

There is no plan. That’s the problem.
Yea there has to be an inbetween that they arent capable of a, seeing and b, implementing
 
Totally and completely disgusting.
I am hopeful that the lockdown massively reduces the number of papers sold.
Especially the worst of the worst DM.

If newspaper sales plummet then the spread of news is suppressed. Is that a good thing?

I understand that newspapers are under the umbrella of media corporations, that are owned by a handful of self-interested billionaires. I think the alternative is a lot worse, sadly.
 
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Germany's R-rate reportedly back above 1 after easing lockdown, not a great sign for us.
 
Marr was interesting this morning. David Spiegelhalter, the well-regarded statistician, was lamenting the government for its “number theatre” during the daily press briefings. I agree with him, too. The general public are too consumed with the overall deaths numbers per day and it’s overwhelmed any sort of rational discussion surrounding the figures and logical next steps. It’s been reduced to: 600 people died yesterday; extend until we’re safe!

I understand the anxiety. But, it’s so much more nuanced than that, in reality. He went on to explain that there are 10 million children aged 15 and under in the UK. Two have died with COVID. He then explained that there are 17 million under 25s in the UK, 26 of which have died with COVID; many of them had underlying health conditions, too. Lockdown will have suppressed these numbers, although it’s also arguable that the virus was spreading through the community weeks and months prior to lockdown measures. I’d be interested to see the cancer and suicide death tallies for those within these age brackets for comparison.

On the other hand, 1% of 90+ people have died with COVID, which is frightening. They are, therefore, 10,000 times more at risk than younger people to the virus.

Firstly, it really highlights just how depressingly lethal this virus is to the older demographic. It reinforces, also, just how farcical the government’s (non) approach to care homes has been. Secondly, it’s important that the government emphasise to the general public that this virus isn’t particularly lethal to younger people. Yes, they can transmit the disease, and sensible measures should be implemented to reduce the spread, but there are far too many people that think their chances of dying with COVID is far higher than it really is. I’ve been speaking to parents of primary school children in recent weeks and there has been a substantial number that remarked that they were unwilling to send their children back to school upon return. It would be unprofessional to do so, so I didn’t, but the overwhelming thought that went through my head was that their child is more likely to get hit by a car outside the school gates. The government needs to engage in a far more adult conversation about the reality of this virus.

And I hate to bang on about it, but the economy really is lives. We have about 7 million people on furlough in the UK right now. I’m not sure that the general public have truly grasped just how many of those jobs will no longer exist in twelve, maybe six, months time. When they go, what do you do to replace them? I’m from a mining town. The last time an industry was disbanded, people were left to rot.

X, Y and Z will be there when this all blows over.”

Often uttered, that is. It’s also completely wrong; uttered by those who, through no real fault of their own, have yet to truly understand the long term complexity of the situation. They say 600 deaths on the tele and fixate on that, understandably. But they’re wrong to do so. A lot of people in this country are going to be absolutely fecked, for want of a better phrase. It’s why I cringe, somewhat, when I read messages, tweets and other comments that appear to embrace the ongoing lockdown. Really, it’s a middle class luxury for many. For the disadvantaged, it’s potentially a death sentence.

Your views simply aren't backed up by the polling though so you need to reassess. The vast majority in all polling I've seen do not consider themselves to be personally at risk, the majority think it'll all resolve itself in 2020 and they poll as feeling comfortable with socialising in smaller groups. They just don't want to support the virus in spreading more than necessary because the majority aren't stupid and understand the message to keep R low.

If you took the view of this place you'd think half of britain were out doing the conga whilst the other half shiver in fear behind their curtains.

Some in here often insinuate and confuse themselves into thinking that it's the lockdown that will crash the economy. No real fault of their own they've just yet to understand the complexity of the situation.
 
This is a really big complaint against a point nobody is making.

Nobody wants a permanent lockdown until nobody is dying.

The government is not fit for purpose and seems To think the options are : Lockdown or just Whiteknuckle it.

There is no plan. That’s the problem.

My post isn’t intended to counter any point. Which point do you think that was?

My post is my personal reflection on the current level of public discourse and my opinion that the level of discussion should be widened beyond daily deaths. I’m not going to summarise my thinking further, as it’s there in black and white.

I think it’s important that the public are educated more about the science going forward. It would ease the worries that I have, anecdotally, explored within my post.
 
Marr was interesting this morning. David Spiegelhalter, the well-regarded statistician, was lamenting the government for its “number theatre” during the daily press briefings. I agree with him, too. The general public are too consumed with the overall deaths numbers per day and it’s overwhelmed any sort of rational discussion surrounding the figures and logical next steps. It’s been reduced to: 600 people died yesterday; extend until we’re safe!

I understand the anxiety. But, it’s so much more nuanced than that, in reality. He went on to explain that there are 10 million children aged 15 and under in the UK. Two have died with COVID. He then explained that there are 17 million under 25s in the UK, 26 of which have died with COVID; many of them had underlying health conditions, too. Lockdown will have suppressed these numbers, although it’s also arguable that the virus was spreading through the community weeks and months prior to lockdown measures. I’d be interested to see the cancer and suicide death tallies for those within these age brackets for comparison.

On the other hand, 1% of 90+ people have died with COVID, which is frightening. They are, therefore, 10,000 times more at risk than younger people to the virus.

Firstly, it really highlights just how depressingly lethal this virus is to the older demographic. It reinforces, also, just how farcical the government’s (non) approach to care homes has been. Secondly, it’s important that the government emphasise to the general public that this virus isn’t particularly lethal to younger people. Yes, they can transmit the disease, and sensible measures should be implemented to reduce the spread, but there are far too many people that think their chances of dying with COVID is far higher than it really is. I’ve been speaking to parents of primary school children in recent weeks and there has been a substantial number that remarked that they were unwilling to send their children back to school upon return. It would be unprofessional to do so, so I didn’t, but the overwhelming thought that went through my head was that their child is more likely to get hit by a car outside the school gates. The government needs to engage in a far more adult conversation about the reality of this virus.

And I hate to bang on about it, but the economy really is lives. We have about 7 million people on furlough in the UK right now. I’m not sure that the general public have truly grasped just how many of those jobs will no longer exist in twelve, maybe six, months time. When they go, what do you do to replace them? I’m from a mining town. The last time an industry was disbanded, people were left to rot.

X, Y and Z will be there when this all blows over.”

Often uttered, that is. It’s also completely wrong; uttered by those who, through no real fault of their own, have yet to truly understand the long term complexity of the situation. They say 600 deaths on the tele and fixate on that, understandably. But they’re wrong to do so. A lot of people in this country are going to be absolutely fecked, for want of a better phrase. It’s why I cringe, somewhat, when I read messages, tweets and other comments that appear to embrace the ongoing lockdown. Really, it’s a middle class luxury for many. For the disadvantaged, it’s potentially a death sentence.

That overlooks two important things.

1. The majority of those older people are getting it from the younger people they live with or have contact with. Unless you propose to isolate them even further?

2. Potential deaths from the knock on effects still pale in comparison to the actual deaths from the virus. When the UK can say 100 people or less are dying each day, maybe then that's a conversation to have. Until then it shouldn't even be entertained.
 
Yea there has to be an inbetween that they arent capable of a, seeing and b, implementing

I could write that plan right now.

Not because I’m brighter than everyone in Boris’ cabinet, though that’s probably the case....

But because I’d just cherry pick from the rest of the world.

It’s half a days work for one person to lash something together that would leave the UK in better shape.
 
It doesn’t matter what the government says if the media are posting those headlines and the BBC are filming street parties/celebrating them. It completely undermines the government and the lockdown they have imposed. We can argue about how poorly the government has handled the situation but instead of trying to be the better people in a situation like that, the media have decided to join them and a minority of the UK has too. Doing these things just gives more people the confidence to go and do what they want.

The lines about doing things together to beat the virus are laughable when the media blasts a professor for breaking the rules but a day-few days later decide to celebrate the VE nonsense/clapping for carers/freedom on Monday stuff.

Yep fully agree, those VE Day gatherings were stupid along with that conga. I hope those people feel shamed.
 
I can't believe how irresponsible people are being in the US and Europe (and probably elsewhere). We are down to a handful of infections and apart from having to police the beaches early on people have been mostly very happy to stay at home and socially distance etc and still want to open up only very slowly to avoid a second wave.

I think you would need the virus to have a much higher toll for some people to take it seriously. Here half the people think it’s a hoax now because ‘they didn’t personally know anyone who died from it’. Basic maths seem too difficult to comprehend for them.
 
Your views simply aren't backed up by the polling though so you need to reassess. The vast majority in all polling I've seen do not consider themselves to be personally at risk, the majority think it'll all resolve itself in 2020 and they poll as feeling comfortable with socialising in smaller groups. They just don't want to support the virus in spreading more than necessary because the majority aren't stupid and understand the message to keep R low.

If you took the view of this place you'd think half of britain were out doing the conga whilst the other half shiver in fear behind their curtains.

Some in here often insinuate and confuse themselves into thinking that it's the lockdown that will crash the economy. No real fault of their own they've just yet to understand the complexity of the situation.

This is a problem in itself. I refer to this in my initial post. People need to understand that this will have long term economics effects.

Polls also indicate that we are one of the most fearful nations in Europe, so there is some statistical credence to my anecdotal evidence of fear and anxiety.
 
My post isn’t intended to counter any point. Which point do you think that was?

My post is my personal reflection on the current level of public discourse and my opinion that the level of discussion should be widened beyond daily deaths. I’m not going to summarise my thinking further, as it’s there in black and white.

I think it’s important that the public are educated more about the science going forward. It would ease the worries that I have, anecdotally, explored within my post.

You write in damn word circles. I don’t know if it’s deliberate or accidental. It’s not about ‘summarising your point further’. You just write poorly.

Your initial point;

- Government quotes deaths
- People focus on deaths

But you’ve got it the wrong way around. People act on messaging and policy. Not statistics. The statistics were used to say;

- This is why we have to do this
- Thanks for doing the things we asked
- This is the effect it’s having

If messaging and policy was;

- You can only leave the house with a declaration
- You must wear a mask
- You must not socialise with anyone over the age of 45 for 2 months
- Everyone in [THESE] demographics gets tests now. They can all go back to work
- We will review weekly

... People would respect and follow them.

You don’t need granular statistical breakdowns. They operate as the evidence base for decisions. Not the message.

Before you push back against any of that : The death number could be 1500 a day or 500 a day. If Boris comes on today and says “Restrictions are eased”... people will get out more.

Your entire premise is that people are focused on the death toll. They’re not. Most stopped paying attention weeks ago.
 
That overlooks two important things.

1. The majority of those older people are getting it from the younger people they live with or have contact with. Unless you propose to isolate them even further?

2. Potential deaths from the knock on effects still pale in comparison to the actual deaths from the virus. When the UK can say 100 people or less are dying each day, maybe then that's a conversation to have. Until then it shouldn't even be entertained.

1. Do you have evidence for that? I mean, I’m willing to bet that it’s accurate. I’m also willing to bet that the majority of current transmission is taking places in hospitals and, more damningly, the care homes that we appear to have brushed under the carpet. I think it’s abundantly clear that we need to shield care homes more effectively, and that elderly people, particularly those with underlying health conditions, should be encouraged isolate where necessary. So, yes, I think shielding the most vulnerable will be important going forward.

2. What conversation are you referring to? I’m not criticising the premise of the lockdown measures. I’m thinking a lot further down the road than now, however. as I’ve explained. My worry is that many people in the country are headed into a poverty that (some of them) have yet to truly understand. People who are financially secure (generally) won’t bat an eyelid to this down the line; our recent track record on voting, as well as the the classism that exists within society, is evidence enough for this.
 
You write in damn word circles. I don’t know if it’s deliberate or accidental. It’s not about ‘summarising your point further’. You just write poorly.

Your initial point;

- Government quotes deaths
- People focus on deaths

But you’ve got it the wrong way around. People act on messaging and policy. Not statistics. The statistics were used to say;

- This is why we have to do this
- Thanks for doing the things we asked
- This is the effect it’s having

If messaging and policy was;

- You can only leave the house with a declaration
- You must wear a mask
- You must not socialise with anyone over the age of 45 for 2 months
- Everyone in [THESE] demographics gets tests now. They can all go back to work
- We will review weekly

... People would respect and follow them.

You don’t need granular statistical breakdowns. They operate as the evidence base for decisions. Not the message.

Before you push back against any of that : The death number could be 1500 a day or 500 a day. If Boris comes on today and says “Restrictions are eased”... people will get out more.

Your entire premise is that people are focused on the death toll. They’re not. Most stopped paying attention weeks ago.

The quality of my writing is more than adequate. I can break down my message into smaller steps to make it more accessible for you, though. My mistake.

I believe that my premise that people are focused on the death toll is an accurate reflection. You disagree; that’s fine.

Personally, I think the suggestion that “most stopped paying attention weeks ago” is unequivocal nonsense.

Our media, understandably, refer to death tolls every day.

The government use the lowering of the number of daily deaths as part of their five-point plan to relax measures.

I believe it is time for the government to educate the public about the risk to the wider public, specific to age group, to ease the widespread anxiety. Tell us about the science we hear so much about. Adapt the messaging if and when the science changes.

I think there is a larger discussion than daily deaths. The public isn’t being prepared for that, particularly the disadvantaged that will be plunged further into poverty. I care greatly about this.
 
1. Do you have evidence for that? I mean, I’m willing to bet that it’s accurate. I’m also willing to bet that the majority of current transmission is taking places in hospitals and, more damningly, the care homes that we appear to have brushed under the carpet. I think it’s abundantly clear that we need to shield care homes more effectively, and that elderly people, particularly those with underlying health conditions, should be encouraged isolate where necessary. So, yes, I think shielding the most vulnerable will be important going forward.

2. What conversation are you referring to? I’m not criticising the premise of the lockdown measures. I’m thinking a lot further down the road than now, however. as I’ve explained. My worry is that many people in the country are headed into a poverty that (some of them) have yet to truly understand. People who are financially secure (generally) won’t bat an eyelid to this down the line; our recent track record on voting, as well as the the classism that exists within society, is evidence enough for this.

1. Most governments have said it. It's part of the reason why lockdown measures take 2-4 weeks to be reflected in case numbers - it takes that long to spread throughout a household. Countries that are on their way out of the peak i.e not the UK are saying the majority of transmission in the latter stages is healthcare workers taking it home with them.

2. Seemed you were buying into the argument that the lockdown will cost more lives than the virus. That's nowhere near true whilst the virus is killing people at the UK's current rate.
 
It doesn’t matter what the government says if the media are posting those headlines and the BBC are filming street parties/celebrating them. It completely undermines the government and the lockdown they have imposed. We can argue about how poorly the government has handled the situation but instead of trying to be the better people in a situation like that, the media have decided to join them and a minority of the UK has too. Doing these things just gives more people the confidence to go and do what they want.

The lines about doing things together to beat the virus are laughable when the media blasts a professor for breaking the rules but a day-few days later decide to celebrate the VE nonsense/clapping for carers/freedom on Monday stuff.
Spot on. Irresponsible and dangerous messaging, and unsurprisingly mostly from the pro-tory, pro-brexit papers too.