I’ve seen the 8 can’t wait stuff get posted here and there, and it’s supposed to reduce police killings right? But does it differentiate between unlawful unjustified killings and justified ones? If not then it’s a short-sighted campaign.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
- Thread starter Abizzz
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I think the problem is in organization culture which is almost impossible to change (India's police faces the same problem). Only way may be to destroy and restart.
The deputy chief says it'll be "investigated internally" which is presumably code for "nothing will come of it"
The UK is definitely not a racist country, though. Vile.
Maybe you should take the time to pause and reflect on your correspondces with @Wolverine and @Sweet Square , who have been addressing your fundamental points, but don't seeem to be getting a response in kind. You either conveniently and completely 'miss it', or replied half-acknowledgingly without having actually conceded the point; like when @Wolverine highlighted all the net positive effects of current UK protests.
You can't then blame people who question your character or motives, because you look disingenuous at best - debating in bad faith at worst.
So you've confused one organisation that's adopted the slogan with the principle that black lives matter, that's brought thousands out on the streets around the world?
Maybe if you try saying it out loud to yourself as, "black lives matter" - rather than seeing the capital letters BLM and looking for loopholes that make it a bad thing - you'll find it easier to understand why people are backing the protests.
Probably a 'year zero' approach? A fella called Pol pot tried that in Cambodia, didn't end well!
Are you sure about that, isn't that why BLM are calling for a different slant on history, from the perspective of the slaves, not the masters. Sorry if I've misunderstood I thought present day history books are being accused of glorifying bad things (as you put it!)?
All History is written from a certain perspective, usually from the point of view of the victors not the vanquished, isn't this why there is now this argument that the story from both sides needs to be written to ensure a balance.
The problem with the 'blanking out' in history something you don't like, or society now finds unacceptable, is that this doesn't change what happened, and worse still it doesn't help to understand where modern day values and/or the pain comes from. 'An eye for an eye' leads to a world without sight and understanding and more than anything ensures past mistakes will be repeated.
Even that organisation doesn't want to "bring down capatalism" (putting that in quotes pissed me right off tbh). They want to dismantle institutional racism.
8:46 - Dave Chappelle
What's the problem?
A visual representation of debates in this thread. . .
That's a brutal take-down of Candace Owens.
No, statues are being accused of glorifying bad things. The books (along with the primary sources and archaeological sites...) are fine.
History is written from the perspective of many actors. The victors write. So do the vanquished. So do the people in between. We have Nazi's perspective on WW2, Americans' perspective on the Vietnam War, slaves' perspectives on slavery in America, and so on... Proper history considers all these perspectives to try and stitch together a coherent picture of what happened, as best as they can. Yes that process is fraught with bias and it's imperfect but it's definitely more nuanced than "the victors write history"... not what I've read.
And no one is calling for books to be burnt or museums to be razed to the ground. Statues erected in recent times offer a minimal benefit historical wise. There's nothing about the Confederate statues in Richmond that I can't find in a book. However it's not about the historical value they provide, it's about their position of veneration that's the problem. Not that much for me personally, but for a lot of people in America. Those statues weren't erected as some sort of history lesson, they were erected as a "feck you" to a war waged (in part) to end slavery. So take them down, and put them in a museum, with that exact caption.
Here's a obelisk in New Orleans that was taken down in 2017.
Read the inscription here.
New Orleans is home to many African Americans. Imagine driving past that to work every day.
That blatant caption is the spirit in which many statues were erected across the country. What possible value could there be in keeping them up?
There’s a movement right now to get a monument almost just like that one taken down in Anderson, SC.Read the inscription here.
New Orleans is home to many African Americans. Imagine driving past that to work every day.
That blatant caption is the spirit in which many statues were erected across the country. What possible value could there be in keeping them up?
They represent what the public at the time thought about these people and some people still do, especially those who defended this country and led the nation in wartime; erecting a statue for such people comes under the heading of freedom of expression, even if many others only think of them as racist symbols.
Also a lot of statues, especially in the UK, were erected via public subscription.
There is nothing to stop public subscriptions being used ('Go fund me' type) to erect statues for the veneration of those who fought against slavery, as many have been in the US and in the UK.
I like angry Chappelle almost as much as high Chappelle.
Time stamp?
Thought about that one the other day, glad to see there is a discussion to take it down.
Moving stuff this. Not to say I don't like this version but as a country we could use some funny Chappelle right now.
22:00
"Do we give a feck what Ja Rule thinks?"
Not sure if 50 Cent or Dave Chappelle did a better job of turning Ja Rule into a punchline.
The statue stuff has progressed just how I imagined, with absolute fandans taking it upon themselves to decide who is racist in a historical context. feckers have now defiled the Robert the Bruce statue for christ sake. He lived in the 1200s how many black folk did he encounter?
Slave traders statues? Get rid of them through proper means not chucking it in the sea in a fit of mindless vandalism. Anarchy leads to destruction in all aspects of life because joe-public are quite frankly idiots.
Slave traders statues? Get rid of them through proper means not chucking it in the sea in a fit of mindless vandalism. Anarchy leads to destruction in all aspects of life because joe-public are quite frankly idiots.
Angry and high Chappelle likely overlap.
Nah. Deface it and throw it in the ocean. Statues of slave traders deserve mindless vandalism.
You've completely ignored the rest of the post
Eggs and Omelettes.
Imagine what a world we might live in if people like you had the same outrage at the abuse black folk receive at the hands of the police as a few inanimate objects receive at the hands of protesters?
Because I quoted only the part I disagreed with
When you put it like that, it does seem like statues have provoked stronger immediate reactions.
People like me? I was at a Black Lives Matter event at Holyrood Park last weekend. God forbid I believe in some kind of sensibleness.
Read the comments on here (or any similar post) if you want to remind yourself why you despise half this country
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...systemic-racism-us-economy-kudlow-cpt-vpx.cnn
Cuomo on facts about why Kudlow is lying and how US has systematic racism.
Cuomo on facts about why Kudlow is lying and how US has systematic racism.
I'm reminded every single time I see a Tweet or FB post about it tbh, so many twats.
Just incredible
In Bristol they has been trying for 40 years. No one listened.
With some people for sure.When you put it like that, it does seem like statues have provoked stronger immediate reactions.
Back to the Candace Owens stuff...
I commented on a FB post about her being a con following money with the link I posted in here previously, https://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-receipts-con-artist/.
Here's the retort against. Not sure what to say next, if anything. I liken the Soros mention to the Hitler mention - basically ends any sensibility to further discussion.
-- that article said she is anti black hahaha. That is so far from the truth. Like I said before just because she is a republican now people label her a race traitor. And I don’t know if you saw that entire congress meeting but she didn’t down play white supremacy she said there are worst things affect the black community then that. And she explained it perfectly. As far as following the money .. which money ? She works for pragerU. I’m sure if she wanted money she could of joined black lives matter which is funded by George soros a billionaire.--
I commented on a FB post about her being a con following money with the link I posted in here previously, https://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-receipts-con-artist/.
Here's the retort against. Not sure what to say next, if anything. I liken the Soros mention to the Hitler mention - basically ends any sensibility to further discussion.
-- that article said she is anti black hahaha. That is so far from the truth. Like I said before just because she is a republican now people label her a race traitor. And I don’t know if you saw that entire congress meeting but she didn’t down play white supremacy she said there are worst things affect the black community then that. And she explained it perfectly. As far as following the money .. which money ? She works for pragerU. I’m sure if she wanted money she could of joined black lives matter which is funded by George soros a billionaire.--
What do you feel would be appropriate under the circumstances?
Isn't there any independent body for these kind of things? Given the current climate it would be the best thing, surely? In order to maintain public trust.