Protests following the killing of George Floyd

I will take the words of someone who works for BlazeTV with a very small (or is it big?) pinch of salt tbh.
 
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I can't really think of an end goal tbh. By all means the force can deal with it but I'm just questioning how it looks to the public. I was admittedly snarky before because personally my trust in the police is low as hell (no point going into it because it's boring but suffice to say it was one incident in many that just confirmed/instilled what I think about our local officers) and for a lot of people I know it's the same - even some of my family (who are sizeable police and military funnily enough). I guess it depends on individual experiences but when you've got an atmosphere that's fuelling distrust in the police, and the way the service goes about their business, to say that it'll be investigated internally is a little on the nose for me.

Sorry you've had a bad experience pal. Try not to let it cloud you opinions too much even if it is a little tempting to do so. Unfortunately the bad ones spoil it for the rest of us however rest assured they don't represent us all.
 
Wonder if any of these nazi guys will get the tasers, horses, tear gas treatment?

I'm yet so see the horses come out to control the crowd...

You don't use horses to control a crowd. Nor do the cops in the UK use tear gas.

Shitheads!

I feel sorry for uk police the last week, they’ve had it from blm the last week with rioting and battles, the shit this weekend with these thugs, (don’t know what else to call them) All the while being absolutely hammered online as being crap, pointless, racist, accused as being as bad as American police and tarred with same brush.

they’ve handled most things I’ve seen well in my opinion this last week, I think people should cut them some slack.

And I say all this as someone who has never been a great lover of the police.

One last thing while I’m mid rant, midweek I seen a poster say of the police When they handled something well they’re just doing their job,they don’t deserve praise, you don’t praise a fish for swimming or something along those lines. It’s a terrible attitude to have, if that poster had a new kitchen or garden I’d no doubt they’d praise the work if they were happy with it. Every profession deserves praise if they produce good work, aswell as the police.

There’s no respect at all and then people wonder why this shit happens

Good post.
 
Imagine being a racist looking at that group of people and thinking "Yep we're superior to everyone else", talk about deluded.

So I'm not the only who noticed that many supremacists clearly have faulty genes. I remember seeing a picture in the US with a bunch of white supremacist and none of them would bred outside of these social circles, most of them genuinely looked .like something terrible happened during their conception.
 
I think most people who support edl will think their boys did a cracking job of defending Churchill and any trouble was the polices fault

Blm will frame it opposite and in the middle there is a bunch of people thinking ffs there is a pandemic why is nobody social distancing
Those bloody unreasonable anti-racists hey?
 
It’s kind of embarrassing to see these guys rioting for being racist. Like it’s their right to be racist or something.

Glad Boris said so much probably the best thing he’s done as prime minister..
 
Can't believe Johnson actually called it out for being racist. My expectations were so low for him.
 
So I'm not the only who noticed that many supremacists clearly have faulty genes. I remember seeing a picture in the US with a bunch of white supremacist and none of them would bred outside of these social circles, most of them genuinely looked .like something terrible happened during their conception.
Yeah, if they're supposed to be the "master race" we're fecked. They all look, to borrow a word from Bill Hicks, un-evolved.
 
Person 1: “racism is bad and should be consigned to history”

Person 2: “get back in your box and don’t challenge my racism”

Person 3: “The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, I’m so reasonable”


Both sides are as bad as each other and I know this because of some video John Cleese made saying Extremism is baaaaad.
 
Those bloody unreasonable anti-racists hey?
Let's be honest... a small minority of them were in terms of actions

And the majority by the nature of the march would have broken social distancing guidelines which if we get a second spike with thousands of deaths tracable back to the march will probably not do the (very valid imo) cause any good at all
 
Out of interest what was your take on last weekend's protests and the attacks on the police.....is that the face of No Brexit?
No, it isn't although Brexit and the shift to the right in politics in general is undoubtedly a factor.
When the establishment of this country began flirting with nationalist and xenophobic feeling a powder keg was fuelled. The fuse has now been lit.
There has always been a far right in Britain (and I had more than my fair share of encounters with them in the 80s and 90s) but they were largely quelled. They have been galvanised and, to an extent, legitimised over the last decade or so and Brexit was a rallying call to them.
 
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Wrexham trending on twitter. *reads why wrexham is trending on twitter* 2020 gets more random.
 
Can you explain the difference?

Havent gone through all this thread but from the couple videos i seen it doesnt look much different than what happened in America.

Apart from what happened in America be a legitimate cause.

Edit to say im not fanning the flames, its a genuine question because I haven't seen enough of the videos to make my own judgement yet

Lack of a coherent message combined with the mayhem and deliberate antagonism of police (whom these people would have been on the side of during the week).

 
These fringe, imbecilic right wing louts are pretty funny until you realise they have an 80 seat majority.
 
This is the type of thing you see happening in south Asia, where people block major highways in protest over a killing not being investigated.
The case has been handed over to Georgia Bureau of investigations. The chief of police resigned earlier today. She also called for termination of the officer who opened fire on Rayshard Brooks. More police chiefs needs to follow her example. She also stated that there was no justifiable reason for the officer to react the way he did.
 
If the police are looking at you, for whatever reason, you should comply. 100%. Every time. You don't know what information they've got. They don't know who you are, if you're armed or not. For them every encounter may be life and death. If you resist arrest, the police do not know what your intentions are.



Outlier as in racist motivation and or the intent was to murder an innocent person, etc. As above, the police wont know what the person of interest is going to do or if they are innocent. The police in USA are armed. I belive most living in the US will be aware of this. There are also 100s of millions of firearms in the US. The police won't know who's armed or not. They pretty much have to assume the worst.
The problem is cops almost always assume the worst when the POI is a black person.
They even assume the black person is the POI even when there are little evidence.

That's systemic racism
 
The problem is cops almost always assume the worst when the POI is a black person.
They even assume the black person is the POI even when there are little evidence.

That's systemic racism

What do you mean with systemic?
In the US, according to google there's about 800.000+ law enforcement. Again google, about 1% of the population will have some level of psychopathy. One might expect higher numbers in law enforcement then the general population. But let's say 8000. Then add all the ones doing it for other bad reason, like lack of better options, or probably any number of reasons they shouldn't be in a position like this. You don't need racism to explain bad cops. There's enough reason. I'm not saying racism does not exist in the police. I'm sure it does. But systemic?
 
What do you mean with systemic?
In the US, according to google there's about 800.000+ law enforcement. Again google, about 1% of the population will have some level of psychopathy. One might expect higher numbers in law enforcement then the general population. But let's say 8000. Then add all the ones doing it for other bad reason, like lack of better options, or probably any number of reasons they shouldn't be in a position like this. You don't need racism to explain bad cops. There's enough reason. I'm not saying racism does not exist in the police. I'm sure it does. But systemic?
The percentage of black people harmed and targetted vs the rest.
Cover ups
Number of wrongful convictions of black people vs the rest
Percentage of black people incarcerated vs the rest
Harsher sentencing etc etc
Its systemic
 
What do you mean with systemic?
In the US, according to google there's about 800.000+ law enforcement. Again google, about 1% of the population will have some level of psychopathy. One might expect higher numbers in law enforcement then the general population. But let's say 8000. Then add all the ones doing it for other bad reason, like lack of better options, or probably any number of reasons they shouldn't be in a position like this. You don't need racism to explain bad cops. There's enough reason. I'm not saying racism does not exist in the police. I'm sure it does. But systemic?

Yes it's systemic, how they can all get away with it.

If this is any other normal country each and every infraction in https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cop-in-america-doing-a-bad-job-again.420394/page-119 would end up with incarcerations, but most of them ended up brushed up and nothing happened.

A Racist cop killing a black man isn't the fault of the system, nothing can stop a racist from acting racist, but to let him get away with it is the fault of the system (I believe the system isn't wrong, but the executor of said system is corrupt), and you can't do all this if the number of racist element is minor.
 
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The percentage of black people harmed and targetted vs the rest.
Cover ups
Number of wrongful convictions of black people vs the rest
Percentage of black people incarcerated vs the rest
Harsher sentencing etc etc
Its systemic

Yes it's systemic, how they can all get away with it.

If this is any other normal country each and every infraction in https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cop-in-america-doing-a-bad-job-again.420394/page-119 would end up with incarcerations, but most of them ended up brushed up and nothing happened.

A Racist cop killing a black man isn't the fault of the system, nothing can stop a racist from acting racist, but to let him get away with it is the fault of the system (I believe the system isn't wrong, but the executor of said system is corrupt), and you can't do all this if the number of racist element is minor.

I'd advise both of you to read some opposing views. They are out there.
Here's two articles. They don't address all of the points you raise, but some at least.

Coleman Hughes from 2018
John McWhorter from 2016
 
I'd advise both of you to read some opposing views. They are out there.
Here's two articles. They don't address all of the points you raise, but some at least.

Coleman Hughes from 2018
John McWhorter from 2016
Yes it doesnt address the point that a black person will face a harsher sentence for the same crime.
Because there is no reason that anyone can come up with to counter the obvious bias of the system.

That is not to say that progress has not been made either. I dont think anyone is arguing that point.

Reading the first one when it gets into athletic achievement its starts to get very problematic.
 
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I'd advise both of you to read some opposing views. They are out there.
Here's two articles. They don't address all of the points you raise, but some at least.

Coleman Hughes from 2018
John McWhorter from 2016

With all do respect, I don't need an article from two nobody to tell me that there isn't a very fundamental systemic racism in America.

It's at best 1000 words opinion on something, it's hardly a defense that there's no systemic racism. There's no racism because Coleman and Mcwhorter says so?
 
I'd advise both of you to read some opposing views. They are out there.
Here's two articles. They don't address all of the points you raise, but some at least.

Coleman Hughes from 2018
John McWhorter from 2016

I started reading that first one and had to stop because it was bloody awful.

This is even overlooking the fact that you can find fluffed up opinion pieces to support anything, especially on trash like Quillette.