SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Dancfc said:
So to clarify, you think they're telling the truth and most towns had people out flouting the rules and taking the piss?

If they've got nothing to hide and these "pictures" are legit, why haven't they used drones?
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I think they never claimed that. So you’re accusing them of lying about something they never said. Which is more dishonest than any headline this morning.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s hilarious the way you think you and your friends know what’s really happening, while the media is just making shit up. Be very careful. Keep this up much longer and you’ll be warning us all about contrails.
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Slightly off topic but this whole thread has been such an interesting study of confirmation bias from pretty much every regular poster and I’m certain it I looked back at my own posts I’d see the same.

It seems that that the same posters on all sides of the argument continually keep a steady supply of articles backing up their narrative while also predicting how certain events are going to unfold and how those events are going to be (incorrectly) perceived as a sort of insurance policy to protect their narrative. It’s genuinely fascinating to read.
 
Pexbo said:
Slightly off topic but this whole thread has been such an interesting study of confirmation bias from pretty much every regular poster and I’m certain it I looked back at my own posts I’d see the same.

It seems that that the same posters on all sides of the argument continually keep a steady supply of articles backing up their narrative while also predicting how certain events are going to unfold and how those events are going to be (incorrectly) perceived as a sort of insurance policy to protect their narrative. It’s genuinely fascinating to read.
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To contradict this. I already know that I was wrong when I expected a second wave in October-November, people have already forgotten what happened in March and certain areas in almost all countries are seeing localized increases of case while the US don't want a second wave, they opted for a stream.
 
Pexbo said:
Slightly off topic but this whole thread has been such an interesting study of confirmation bias from pretty much every regular poster and I’m certain it I looked back at my own posts I’d see the same.

It seems that that the same posters on all sides of the argument continually keep a steady supply of articles backing up their narrative while also predicting how certain events are going to unfold and how those events are going to be (incorrectly) perceived as a sort of insurance policy to protect their narrative. It’s genuinely fascinating to read.
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That’s a very accurate observation (and I’m sure I’m guilty of it myself). The football forums are an even better example, mind you!
 
JPRouve said:
To contradict this. I already know that I was wrong when I expected a second wave in October-November, people have already forgotten what happened in March and certain areas in almost all countries are seeing localized increases of case while the US don't want a second wave, they opted for a stream.
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You don’t think that could still happen? I do.
 
Lost count of the amount of people who have said certain events will cause a second wave. VE Day, Protests, etc.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You don’t think that could still happen? I do.
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I think that it will happen but it seemingly won't be the second wave for some of the countries that have been hit hard instead it will be the third or fourth. I thought that people would have some common sense for a few months but many don't have common sense at all.
 
Pexbo said:
Slightly off topic but this whole thread has been such an interesting study of confirmation bias from pretty much every regular poster and I’m certain it I looked back at my own posts I’d see the same.

It seems that that the same posters on all sides of the argument continually keep a steady supply of articles backing up their narrative while also predicting how certain events are going to unfold and how those events are going to be (incorrectly) perceived as a sort of insurance policy to protect their narrative. It’s genuinely fascinating to read.
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good point, I know I am guilty of it
 
JPRouve said:
I think that it will happen but it seemingly won't be the second wave for some of the countries that have been hit hard instead it will be the third or fourth. I thought that people would have some common sense for a few months but many don't have common sense at all.
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People jump out of planes, base jump, climb mountains, travel to the Congo, travel to areas with high levels of malaria and put themselves at "risk" on a regular basis.

Anyone expecting that human behaviour was going to change for a long period for a virus with this level of mortality was naive to say the least. Outbreaks in Melbourne, Lisbon, Texas etc etc were always going to happen. Hell you saw the party on the Charles Bridge right? For many, the idea that life is simply "too short" was always going to take precedent after a few months, even moreso after being locked indoors.

It's not about "common sense" in my humble opinion.

If anything I'm surprised that so many countries appear to be doing such a great track and trace job despite this.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
People jump out of planes, base jump, climb mountains, travel to the Congo, travel to areas with high levels of malaria and put themselves at "risk" on a regular basis.

Anyone expecting that human behaviour was going to change for a long period for a virus with this level of mortality was naive to say the least. Outbreaks in Melbourne, Lisbon, Texas etc etc were always going to happen. Hell you saw the party on the Charles Bridge right? For many, the idea that life is simply "too short" was always going to take precedent after a few months, even moreso after being locked indoors.

It's not about "common sense" in my humble opinion.

If anything I'm surprised that so many countries appear to be doing such a great track and trace job despite this.
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3 or 4 months after a lockdown isn't a long period of time, wearing a mask and social distancing are not big asks, so it's very much about common sense. We are not asking people to make drastic changes.
 
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JPRouve said:
3 or 4 months after a lockdown isn't a long period of time, wearing a mask and social distancing are big asks, so it's very much about common sense. We are not asking people to make drastic changes.
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I get what you are saying but I still think it's naive to expect to change human behaviour for more than half a year with no certain "end game" in sight. People are hard wired to search out human interaction, deprive them of that and I'd imagine they are even more desperate for it.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I get what you are saying but I still think it's naive to expect to change human behaviour for more than half a year with no certain "end game" in sight.
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We change behaviour all the time it's one of the reasons why Humans have thrived on this planet, the people not following minor changes aren't doing it due to natural instincts, for the most part they will tell you that it's politicaly motivated. They do it regardless of their own or their families well being.

These people don't deserve your excuses.
 
JPRouve said:
We change behaviour all the time it's one of the reasons why Humans have thrived on this planet, the people not following minor changes aren't doing it due to natural instincts, for the most part they will tell you that it's politicaly motivated. They do it regardless of their own or their families well being.

These people don't deserve your excuses.
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One of the problems in Britain for example though is that a large majority of the population struggles to socialise without alcohol. The drinking culture over here is huge so the minute the pubs have opened it is no surprise that the dependence to socialise in this environment is needed by people. That is a major cultural shift that we need to assess rather than a minor shift in behaviour.
 
Various German states want to do away with mandatory masks in shops now. The Czech Republic abolished the mask rule last week. Not sure about other countries.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Anyone expecting that human behaviour was going to change for a long period for a virus with this level of mortality was naive to say the least. Outbreaks in Melbourne, Lisbon, Texas etc etc were always going to happen. Hell you saw the party on the Charles Bridge right? For many, the idea that life is simply "too short" was always going to take precedent after a few months, even moreso after being locked indoors.

It's not about "common sense" in my humble opinion.

If anything I'm surprised that so many countries appear to be doing such a great track and trace job despite this.
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The bolded part is definitely true. It was really noticeable at my local pub quiz which commenced last week. Seemed like everyone was hugging each other when saying hello. With social distancing rules gone, I don't think the hygienic ones will be followed either.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Various German states want to do away with mandatory masks in shops now. The Czech Republic abolished the mask rule last week. Not sure about other countries.
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In my opinion the problem with shops and mask isn't for customers but people working all day long in these shops, it is for them that we wear them. Customers don't really have major risk of contracting a respiratory disease while spending minutes in a shop while moving around, shopkeepers on the other end multiply interactions and are stuck in a closed space.
 
Dancfc said:
It not so much they report it it's there motive towards it. They'll word it and report it like it's a massive problem up and down the country which simply hasn't been the case.

Same with beaches, some photos were exposed as being manipulated by the lens to look like people weren't socially distancing when they were (well that was obvious anyway if they had nothing to hide they would have used a drone) and some were even caught out using pictures from last year.

The people flouting in the the UK is actually a very small minority, infact according to polls 83% of people would support a second lockdown (although I imagine that number will plummet when they realise the same level of Furlough support won't be there second time round).
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I see you edited out a sentence from that part in brackets from the last time you said it.

Your as guilty of what your accusing the press of.

Remember when everyone here hated football
 
arnie_ni said:
I see you edited out a sentence from that part in brackets from the last time you said it.

Your as guilty of what your accusing the press of.

Remember when everyone here hated football
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Remember when you thought the restart would go tits up within a week or so and get suspended again? Or even more hysterically thought it was only being done to give Liverpool the league!
 
I watched a little vid on the BBC of a couple getting married in church. Only 30 guests, the groom had to take the wedding rings out of the box himself, pens for register-signing sanitised, everyone sitting spaced out from each other. And then there's a pub down the road no doubt open virtually as usual.

The lack of consistency is ridiculous.
 
arnie_ni said:
I literally said in the same post i want it restarted and finished on the pitch.

Im fully behind a restart if its safe.

United need to see this season through, get top 4, and possibly win 2 cups.

Get of your high horse
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Dancfc said:
Remember when you thought the restart would go tits up within a week or so and get suspended again? Or even more hysterically thought it was only being done to give Liverpool the league!
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Thats pretty much my last post on the topic.

I said the restart was about money not about gifting liverpool the league. I definitely laughed when it looked like the whole thing would be cacnelled but i dont think I ever said what your accusing me of. You might be confusing me with someone else you accused of hating football.

Anyway, this is off topic, but i just thought it interesting that you accused everyone of hating footy because one person said it, here you are accusing newspapers of running with one story as if its happening all across the UK.

Pot meet kettle
 
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JPRouve said:
In my opinion the problem with shops and mask isn't for customers but people working all day long in these shops, it is for them that we wear them. Customers don't really have major risk of contracting a respiratory disease while spending minutes in a shop while moving around, shopkeepers on the other end multiply interactions and are stuck in a closed space.
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That’s what depresses me about the poor uptake of masks. I get the impression that people are put off when they hear about how masks aren’t very effective at protecting the wearer, unless they wear an expensive, medical grade mask, taken on/off carefully, washed every time they wear them etc etc. So they just don’t bother.

They just don’t seem to care about the concept that any face covering - even if it’s sloppily donned/doffed and never washed - will help protect the staff who are forced to work indoors, provided everybody wears one, even though it might not benefit the person wearing it.

Self interest seems to be the only effective, lasting motivation in this pandemic. Nobody seems to give a shit about what is best for other people.
 
Wonder did the like minded and affluent dude hit the pub yesterday?

Seriously though, has he been on since, hope he's ok!
 
arnie_ni said:
Wonder did the like minded and affluent dude hit the pub yesterday?

Seriously though, has he been on since, hope he's ok!
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He probably left after getting laughed out of here otherwise it goes to show that being like-minded and affluent doesn't prevent you from contracting a virus.
 
F-Red said:
Lost count of the amount of people who have said certain events will cause a second wave. VE Day, Protests, etc.
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I think that's down to people having a fundamental missunderstanding of what a second wave is to be fair.

A few thousand people marching or mingling around on a beach is never likely to plunge the entire country back into chaos. What it has been shown to do is cause spikes in infection rates locally. So what it does almost certainly do is cause more people to die.

I'm completely lost with what we've been trying to accomplish really. I get that pubs need to re-open at some point and expecting everyone to not go a bit bonkers was never realistic, but why on earth on a Saturday?

After all the ridiculous fuss about allowing sdome dissadvantaged children to go back into school, we get to pubs and suddenly it's "yeah feck it, lets just do it in the most irresponsible way possible" London is literally the worst place in the world for overcrowding in pub/bar venues so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a quite noticable spike.
 
horsechoker said:
He probably left after getting laughed out of here otherwise it goes to show that being like-minded and affluent doesn't prevent you from contracting a virus.
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This community just wasn't like-minded and affluent enough for him.
 
horsechoker said:
He probably left after getting laughed out of here otherwise it goes to show that being like-minded and affluent doesn't prevent you from contracting a virus.
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horsechoker said:
He probably left after getting laughed out of here otherwise it goes to show that being like-minded and affluent doesn't prevent you from contracting a virus.
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He actually hasnt been online like March 17th.

Hopefully it is just embarrassment and nothing more serious
 
JPRouve said:
3 or 4 months after a lockdown isn't a long period of time, wearing a mask and social distancing are big asks, so it's very much about common sense. We are not asking people to make drastic changes.
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Agree with this. However, «people gonna people».
 
Potential spike aside, just forgot how much different it is to not have the intoxicated types admitted.
A&E was a nightmare, people stayed out getting pissed, drank and did drugs. Obviously annoyed that police had dispersed them through section 35 the ones who needed admission after fights or having others worried about them caused havoc in A&E.
Donning and doffing PPE was a nightmare because of the number of time we kept getting spat at. A lot of pent up aggro. Replaced spit guards more times than I have ever done in my life. We couldn't risk taking some of the drunk, overdosed types with reduced GCS scores into resus because of their behaviour, capacity and the lack of fit testing/PPE testing for security guards
And lack of beds became a huge issue because we had saturated the pathways for admission with the drunks and our covid patients had to wait ages to be seen too which just wasn't the case before.
I haven't spoken to colleagues elsewhere. Paramedics were great. I was meant to finish at 8 am but had to do loads of reports and handover was complicated so got home half an hour ago.
 
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