Protests following the killing of George Floyd

Fingeredmouse said:
Holy feck. That is astonishing. Starkey is an absolute disgrace. I see his honourary degree is being reviewed.
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One very amusing aspect of BLM for me has been watching lifelong closet racists unmask themselves.
It's a very curious phenomena, like they just can't help themselves.

Yeah, he's getting slammed. It's all over for him in mainstream society.
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sammsky1 said:
One very amusing aspect of BLM for me has been watching lifelong closet racists unmask themselves.
It's a very curious phenomena, like they just can't help themselves.

Yeah, he's getting slammed. It's all over for him in mainstream society.
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Great post. You should use it in multiple threads.
 
Remember in 2011 when he said there is a way black people sound. The guy has been given a platform for far to long. That comment was on the BBC
 
Hope Neil Oliver is next in line from the historians to get ruined. He’s the NTS president and he has been running around in the past few weeks on twitter spouting some awful bollocks.
 
villain said:
The term 'blacks' just really doesn't sit right with me.

Maybe someone who's well versed in linguistics can better explain, but there's a dehumanisation happening right? removing 'people' from "black people" and reducing it to just 'blacks' isn't something you see with other races.

Anyway, people in positions of power with a lot of influence being racist is nothing new - i'm just glad they're taking off their own mask these days.
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I was actually thinking about the term recently while reading something on this forum. At first I thought surely you can't say just "blacks" but then whoever I was reading was using both "blacks" and "whites" and I identified the person as being anti-racists at first glance. That left me confused, so I might have been guilty of not attaching a "people" to the end of it somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember which thread and whether it was a poster or an article shared by someone.
 
Ironically, Starkey himself is the best argument for diversity, even within his own field. Habitually dismissive of women who are historians, they absolutely trounce him when it comes to presentation, scholarship and public popularity - all they needed was the opportunity to show yet another hoary and hidebound male power-structure up for what it is.
 
Maagge said:
I was actually thinking about the term recently while reading something on this forum. At first I thought surely you can't say just "blacks" but then whoever I was reading was using both "blacks" and "whites" and I identified the person as being anti-racists at first glance. That left me confused, so I might have been guilty of not attaching a "people" to the end of it somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember which thread and whether it was a poster or an article shared by someone.
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I have definitely done it in this thread and I don't like it but the reason I do it is because these terms are actually used officially and many people in particular "whites" seemingly identify as white in certain countries. Just take the FBI database as an example, I'm sure that I used the terms whites and Blacks/african americans when talking about them because it is the nomenclature used in official stats.
 
This has shone a light back on the Washington ’Redskins’, the NFL team with a poor choice for a name, and the money is starting to talk. Nike pulled their merch from the online store, and FedEx whose founder is a minority owner has called on them to change their name after pressure from investors. DC is also barring them from building the desired new stadium within city limits until the name has changed.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-smith-calling-out-his-partner-daniel-snyder/
 
sammsky1 said:
Eminent British Historian David Starkey says slavery in USA wasn't a genocide, as blacks are still alive in USA.
And British Empire was the most important event in human history.

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Greece was way more important than the BE, they stopped the Persians from invading Europe and we can say the Western civilization exist because them... take that Merkel.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Bloody hell, guy has assault rifle? Love for weapons in USA is crazy.
But what do you expect from this women? Angry mob broke down into their home and she is alone with her husband.
I can't believe that some people are defending mob (these people are not protesters) in this situation. I am family person. My wife and my kid are the most important persons in my life. If i was in place of this man i don't think that i would react this calmly like he did.
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They weren’t on private property, you can actually see the pavement in the picture with the crazy chick with a gun. These people were walking to the mayor’s house past these idiot’s house.
 
calodo2003 said:
Yeah. Those wheel & fire discoveries were just happy accidents. Would have happened regardless.
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I thought that it was a silly take and therefore didn't bother with it. But how can an historian make that comment and not be hounded? Did he forgot the inventions of writing, agriculture, irrigation or tools?
 
JPRouve said:
I thought that it was a silly take and therefore didn't bother with it. But how can an historian make that comment and not be hounded? Did he forgot the inventions of writing, agriculture, irrigation or tools?
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Printing press, brewing, etc., etc.

Shocking statement from someone as purportedly learned as him
 
Huge group of armed Black protesters march on Confederate monument in Georgia



 
FireballXL5 said:
Just enjoying their beautiful 2nd amendment, what's the problem? Oh, I see.........
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Pretty much although they cross the line when they're videoed charging up to drivers, describing themselves as a "black militia" and the drivers "worst nightmare" while ranting about his ancestors and reparations. Essentially they're the same utter arseholes that you'll see when the "white militias" storm capitol buildings ranting about freedom.

Regardless of white, black, left or right, the obsession with militias in the US is extremely disturbing.
 
I'm presuming the BLM painting was approved by officials while this was an act of property destruction without a permit. Presuming they'll be found out and cited.
 
America really is going to self destruct soon. While it's great to see the armed black folk marching about to counter off the redneck groups, I'd dread to think what would potentially happen if both groups end up in the same location.

Ideally the image kicks gun reform into action, as it is no longer "their guys" with the guns, but I can see the greed taking place, and gun sales going up. Which of course Trump would claim as a win as it is stimulating the economy.
 
Pink Moon said:
Pretty much although they cross the line when they're videoed charging up to drivers, describing themselves as a "black militia" and the drivers "worst nightmare" while ranting about his ancestors and reparations. Essentially they're the same utter arseholes that you'll see when the "white militias" storm capitol buildings ranting about freedom.

Regardless of white, black, left or right, the obsession with militias in the US is extremely disturbing.
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It is, god forbid those testosterone driven males bump into each other and accidentally fires a shot it could get very very ugly.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Just enjoying their beautiful 2nd amendment, what's the problem? Oh, I see.........
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Hilarious isn’t it, see, I remember that video where there was a big line of white protesters with large guns to the side of the BLM march, that was perfectly fine.
 
Really great article from Nesrine Malik in the The Guardian today discussing how he feels that the Black Lives Matter 'movement' has reached that sticky point that always seems to follow the easy part of the public having outrage for something that is plainly outrageous and easily understood, the protests that they can get behind, but then the difficult part comes when the change in our lives is required to push or pull through any real progress.

But when it comes to the underlying injustice – to making the links between the deportation and death of a Windrush citizen, the NHS worker impoverished by Home Office fees and unsettled by cruel hostile environment policies, the unelected special adviser breaking lockdown rules, and the political party we keep voting in – we’re not so good.

The same is now happening with the Black Lives Matter movement. Everyone is on board with the principle, but when it comes to the change that is required, the idealistic passengers the movement picked up along the way suddenly come down with a case of extreme pragmatism.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/black-lives-matter-protests-change-demands - Free to View.
 
Nesrine Malik said:
the idealistic passengers the movement picked up along the way suddenly come down with a case of extreme pragmatism.
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To me, this is significant (and that's putting it kindly). Is this pragmatism a legacy of a societal power structure historically dominated by white folks? Why, in general and also specifically, is it that people who protest for change are expected to be utterly perfect in their protesting behaviour? Why is it that they are simultaneously criticised for not being a) solely focused on their named cause, and b) also criticised for not protesting beyond that cause and speaking up on behalf of other groups? These are suspiciously high standards being set for them...one might think people are looking for the first convenient opportunity to dismiss the movement. I'm not claiming that those 'concerned' people are all racists (though, as in any sample, some might be); I'm claiming that this discernment in quite rare in public life, so it's arguably telling that BLM in particular attracts that discernment.
 
SteveJ said:
To me, this is significant (and that's putting it kindly). Is this pragmatism a legacy of a societal power structure historically dominated by white folks? Why, in general and also specifically, is it that people who protest for change are expected to be utterly perfect in their protesting behaviour? Why is it that they are simultaneously criticised for not being a) solely focused on their named cause, and b) also criticised for not protesting beyond that cause and speaking up on behalf of other groups? These are suspiciously high standards being set for them...one might think people are looking for the first convenient opportunity to dismiss the movement. I'm not claiming that those 'concerned' people are all racists (though, as in any sample, some might be); I'm claiming that this discernment in quite rare in public life, so it's arguably telling that BLM in particular attracts that discernment.
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That is a good point (b) is often the first criticism while (a) is the criticism aimed later. For example, it's apparently not possible to be anti racist and socialist but it's also not correct to be anti racist and ignore economic discrimination. Some of the most vocal "systemic racism doesn't exist" folks have rightfully pointed to the fact that a lot of issues that we see today are economic but they can't understand why trained Marxists are among the people involved in these BLM movements.
 
SteveJ said:
To me, this is significant (and that's putting it kindly). Is this pragmatism a legacy of a societal power structure historically dominated by white folks? Why, in general and also specifically, is it that people who protest for change are expected to be utterly perfect in their protesting behaviour? Why is it that they are simultaneously criticised for not being a) solely focused on their named cause, and b) also criticised for not protesting beyond that cause and speaking up on behalf of other groups? These are suspiciously high standards being set for them...one might think people are looking for the first convenient opportunity to dismiss the movement. I'm not claiming that those 'concerned' people are all racists (though, as in any sample, some might be); I'm claiming that this discernment in quite rare in public life, so it's arguably telling that BLM in particular attracts that discernment.
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I'm not in the UK at the moment and to tell the truth not really 'in' Society here as such to know what people really feel now. I'm not sure whether there's a clear goal that Idealistic Passengers' can understand and relate to but if there was/is does it become harder for them to see themselves being that committed? That suddenly - oh, life gets in the way, the devotion to an aim needs more than they are ready to give because they didn't really understand the change needed in all our lives and the sacrifices necessary?
 
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