Frankly if I was a very healthy, independent and wealthy person I would love to live in the US. The republican party scares the shit out of me though.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Frankly if I was a very healthy, independent and wealthy person I would love to live in the US. The republican party scares the shit out of me though.
It just feels like it’s a house of cards on a table waiting for a solid bump.
Is this actually in any way a valid point? Just shut down any arguments that you dislike? No wonder you have these problems you can’t handle opinions that you disagree with. Burning and looting has replaced debate and discussion.
Are you trolling or have you genuinely missed the last century, where americans have debated and discussed these social issues and almost exclusively been ignored or in the case of MLK assassinated?
Yep, you nailed it. All of us American's can't handle differing opinions, so we burn and loot. I think we are going to make it a sport and put it on ESPN2.
Yawn. Such an erudite tough guy you are.
I don't know, man. I don't think I could live in a place where there's so little regard for the weakest in society.
Burning and looting is the continuation of politics by other means. Absolutely on the table if the ruling class fails to act after peaceful protest.
In particular when we are talking about issues that are older than most of us. It's a miracle that things haven't gone farther sooner.
Not to mention the very real examples of white supremacists and right wing nutjobs being the ones doing the burning and vandalism to derail the essential protesting going on.
I suppose if burning and looting is ok then we shouldn’t have any problems with militia groups forming to defend public and private property.
That should really be the polices job, but you know "defund/dismantle the police".
Wow. I would be curious as to your educational upbringing.
My god this is tiring. I am guessing you either know what "defund the police" is referring to and are willfully ignoring it or are reposting Fox News talking points. Defund the police is not to dismantle it, but to redirect funds to other agencies that can better handle situations the police currently have to deal with (ie, mental health, addiction, domestic disputes) so the police can concentrate on matters of crime and hopefully on not shooting unarmed black and brown people.
Good thread
When they start with the personal attacks you know they don’t have any legs left to stand on.
What role have the militias played in the destruction that has followed the murder of George Floyd? One side is going around burning and looting and destroying while the other side has been .....?
Insulting another member
Just do us a favor, don’t procreate. Ever.
There has to be a genesis for the crap take you offered.
Yes mein fuhrer. Yours is the only opinion that is allowed.
One side is protesting systemic racism that has been going on for 400 years with countless deaths, rapes and maiming's. The other side is a bunch of right wing white people protecting someone else's gas station.
Again, yawn. And, your conflation with the left & the right just further solidified my education post.
Various state control apparatuses have not lost the ability to provide law and order in these jurisdictions, so it is actually detrimental to have militias" (aka Facebook groups) defending public and private property because they are interfering with active law enforcement.
You seem to be under the impression that the 'burning & looting' has been the only thing to take place during the protests - not that I blame you, the media has certainly frame it that way. That's not the case at all, there has been dozens of peaceful protests all over America and in other countries around the world over the last 2.5 months or so that have been peaceful, not shown on the media. Likewise, there has been over 730+ incidents of police brutality - also not shown on the media.
Lets be clear: One side opposes the side which is fighting for the equal treatment of black people, and going to the lengths of shooting and killing that side.
Another side is either part of a group which has been oppressed for over 400 years, or protesting alongside, said oppressed group.
Things that been burnt or stolen or destroyed can be replaced, lives can't.
At the moment you're placing capital and property above the equality of human beings, then wondering why the responses you've gotten aren't nice.
How does looting a Nike store protest anything? Does burning down that gas station and getting the right wing white people to shoot at you accomplish anything?
I’m not against the right to peaceful protest because it brings change but I don’t see how anyone can defend looting and destruction for the sake of it. I don’t see how stealing a bunch of LV bags helps your cause.
Bloody Marxists. All we need to do to make racism go away, is to stop talking about it. FFS, after centuries and centuries of it, who would’ve thought the answer was that bloody simple!
This specific sentense is automatically a red flag showing someone that doesn't have a clue about what's going on, what racism actually is and what happened in the past 400 years (in the US). It's a paragon of ignorance. Usually, they post a video of Morgan Freeman after that statement that is supposed to promote their absurd point of view. This is one of the most stupid and oblivious thing to say. Racism is and was always there, even when nobody talked about it, even when it was deemed normal. It wasn't created because people started to mention it, and it hasn't stopped.
I have the same arguments with right wing people in France, than you ask them why, for exemple, people with a very traditionnal french name have 50% more chances to get called back when they send a resume compared to people with african sounding name (with an identical resume), and they have no answer.
Also, you don't know what a marxist is.
Your post is absurd on so many level it's quite remarkable.
When peaceful protest does not generate the desired outcome, then the looting and burning starts. This is nothing new in a historical context. Humans have always expressed outrage by attacking symbols of power and affluence, mostly because the people that protest are tired of being shat upon from a great height.
Do you feel the same way about the Sons of Liberty throwing tea into Boston Harbour in 1773?
You speak as if civil rights hasn’t improved for minorities over the years. Surely there has been a massive shift from segregation and not being able to sit on the same bus to being able to occupy the highest office in the land? I’m not saying there isn’t discrimination or racism but surely there must be a better way of dealing with it.
I think if the sons of liberty started burning each other’s farms and looting random shops the US might still be an English colony because they would have alienated a lot of their supporters.
The point is they haven't improved enough. People are still victimized by racism and discrimination. It's 2020. Time for this to end. We are all homo sapiens sapiens, though I'd dispute the sapiens part.
The Sons of Liberty attacked, looted and destroyed private property because, in their opinion, they were being oppressed. Scarcely different from what is happening now. The hypocrisy from the Republican party in condeming people who are protesting for their freedom is stunning.
You beat me to it (stupid dog needing a walk). The fact that a Canadian got to pull the gotcha on our revolution makes the blood boil. Maybe this will help:
Agreed on both counts. A current events discussion on the Caf never reaches it's peak until you get a post from Striker10. Definitely one of my favorite posters as well.
I'm not one to quote myself but I freaking owned this up above
I guess this is the shallow society we live in, when someone strolls around without legs several people will take notice.
So let me get this straight then. You support the people who are going around causing destruction and think what they are doing is justified. Is that correct? The rule of law no longer applies to them.
I'm not one to quote myself but I freaking owned this up above
Not to interrupt you patting yourself on the back but I think pointing out that he can’t handle opinions that differ from his own isn’t a personal attack. Look at the posts he’s made he hasn’t even attempted to debate my points only insults. Valid response imo and well restrained. Well done to me freaking killing it here.
Do you support Black Lives Matter?
Straight forward question, no need to divert or 'whatabout' any other topic, yes or no.
It is indeed a shallow society where only one point of view is considered to be acceptable. Luckily you have me to provide the non PC point of view and mix things up a bit.