If I told you that this is what they are fighting for. Some people don't benefit from the rules of law and these people have been ignored when they peacefully protested.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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If I told you that this is what they are fighting for. Some people don't benefit from the rules of law and these people have been ignored when they peacefully protested.
Yes.
Why?
Then what exactly do you think will bring about change?
Bearing in mind peaceful protests have been going on everyday for the last 2 months across America.
Because every right thinking person should stand up against racial discrimination and as a minority myself in my own country I understand the issue of discrimination better than most.
And what would you do if after almost a century of mainly peacefully protesting, nothing changed and you were still denied the benefit of the rules of law?
About the people causing destruction by looting...
Lucky for me, yes, because by your own admission everything you're saying is wrong. Let's do this formally, I hear mature people like facts and logic.
Premise 1: When someone starts with personal attacks, then they don't have any legs left to stand on. Ref #7,820.
Premise 2: Mastadon called calodo2003 Hitler. Ref #7,824.
Premise 3: Calling someone Hitler is a personal attack.
Premise 2+3 gives us that Mastadon uses personal attacks, which combined with premise 1 gives us the conclusion that Mastadon doesn't have any legs left to stand on.
I'm not one to quote myself but I freaking owned this up above
That was too subtle for me. Well played
Premise 1: When someone starts with personal attacks, then they don't have any legs left to stand on. Ref #7,820.
Premise 2: Calodo2003 tells Mastadon never to procreate as a favor to the rest of us. Ref #7,822
Premise 3: Mastadon acknowledges that telling someone not to procreate is the act of a Nazi and agrees accordingly with the correct salutation. Ref#7,824
Calling someone Hitler for telling you not to procreate ever is an appropriate response as the Nazis frequently sterilized others.
Anyway let’s stop with the personal stuff. Like it says below criticize the post not the poster. Bit unfair to be calling me out and not the guy who keeps insulting me and contributes nothing to the discussion.
You might think that your own personal attacks are justified, but they're still personal attacks. If people attacking you had also said that only people in the wrong use personal attacks then I would have laughed at them as well, but you're the only one being that silly.
(And contributing nothing is less annoying than your rehearsed song and dance anyway.)
(And contributing nothing is less annoying than your rehearsed song and dance anyway.)
Can we really say that nothing has changed? From Rosa Parks to Obama is a pretty big leap and things have definitely improved.
My own opinion is that acts of random looting are counter productive to the movement and gives ammunition to those on the other side. Instead of focusing on George Floyd and police brutality you now have a balancing act of criminal destruction caused by looters.
“If you stick a knife nine inches into my back and pull it out three inches, that is not progress. Even if you pull it all the way out, that is not progress.“ - Malcolm X.
Yes black people have gone from being treated as less than human, to just being treated less than equally. It's like stabbing someone with a 7 inch knife, and then removing the knife and expecting them to continue as if nothing has changed.
Anyone who chooses to focus on the looting, and not the murder & disproportionate treatment of black people at the hands of police, the justice system and just about every other institution within society - wasn't an ally in the first place. And is simply using the looting as a reason to apportion blame. It's beyond ignorance, and straight into wilful stupidity.
Black people shouldn't have to be perfect in order to gain support. Protests shouldn't have to be peaceful.
And frankly America is lucky black people haven't burned it to the ground yet.
Ok, so this is bullshit. Forgive me because I am on my phone and deep into pre-gaming for the RNC. Anyone who is moved to not side with BLM because of the looting and vandalism of a few was fecking NEVER going to honestly be on that side in the first place. Either you focus on the goal and how most people strive for it or your an ass hole.
What does this entail exactly?Only if you forgive me for not caring what you are doing at the moment and refusing to be pigeon holed into your limited definition of either or.
Vodka, baileys, tears, and shame
Also you keep ignoring the fact that peaceful protests have been going on, and have been ignored (ironic) - so what exactly is your solution? @Mastadon
Check, check, check and check
Wow. Not even I got that Nazi reference re: sterility. It is not germane at all to the conversation as I wasn’t referencing ending any substantive part of the gene pool or eliminating races, I just don’t want your lunacy to propagate. I double down on this after reading your thoughts on racial relations.
Again I plead, please don’t offer any thoughts on racial relations or the current state of affairs in this country if you really don’t know what the feck you are talking about. You are approaching Striker10 in absurdity.
Nope, not forgiven.
This is an either or. @villain is way more eloquent and informed than me, so read those posts. By focusing on the looting and vandalism you do a disservice. For the reality is that the root cause of ALL of this is a mountain compared to the grain of sand the looting is.
Edit: crap, hit send way early
What exactly is so perverse with my thoughts on racial relations that I should cease expressing them? Why don’t you elucidate your problem with my position so we can assess whether you are misrepresenting me?
How about going on strike? That normally works in Europe when they get tired of burning and breaking stuff. When you down tools and bring the economy down that tends to get their attention.
Violent protests have been ongoing as well do you think they are working to bring about the necessary change? Or is the violence moving the spotlight away from the real issue?
Who is going to strike where? And how is that any different to a protest? People still need to work in order to pay their bills - they will be made homeless before they bring the economy down in America.
Side note: When was the last European strike that brought down the economy?
Yes violent protests are going to get attention in the same way a strike will - they are not the most desirable option - but how exactly do you reconcile 400 years worth of anger, oppression & abuse? You can't.
Especially when they don't want to pay black people reparations, they don't want to invest in the communities, and they don't want to repair the school-jail pipeline that they created.
America has stolen more than than what looters can steal, destroyed more than the arsonists can burn and yet it continues to kill, take and not restore the communities it has broken.
So yeah, I don't care about the violent protests. People are allowed to be angry when the system continues to fail them - the violence is a part of the real issue, America was built and created out of violence - they can't suddenly claim to be the land of peace and harmony now.
The problem is everyone understands that black people are subject to racism, yet nobody wants to have the uncomfortable conversation of what it would take to fix this - instead they expect us to continue to experience racism, and accept the gestures and solidarity.
The fact you believe things are so much better, for one, is laughable on its face. Secondly, to not understand that the ferocity of the protests are a result of the poor situation in which POCs find themselves smacks of ignorance or worse.
I highly doubt this will evoke a rational discourse with you; I fully expect a strawman argument in response or a similar shifting of point.
I post on an nfl teams forum as well and im fighting a losing battle over there trying to say this young kid committed murder.
Literally just been told he hasnt even committed a crime
Literally just been told he hasnt even committed a crime
I wouldn't even bother. Those kinds of people believe he is a true patriot for traveling over there to defend his country.
Most if not all countries are built and created out of violence that is not a reason to continue with violence. If you don’t care about the violence well that is your choice. Many others do. Perhaps if you owned a shop that you spent your whole life to build up and it was burned and looted and you lost everything you might change your mind.
You raise some good points here I would like to respond to tomorrow as it’s pretty late where I am. I’m interested as to what you think it would take to fix the race relations re the conversation that needs to take place but is being ignored.
I support BLM and the right to protest for equal rights because this is a personal struggle for me as well in my own life so it’s a matter of solidarity with other oppressed minorities. My main contention is on the looting and destruction caused to innocent people. None of this should detract from the main struggle for equal rights but the reality is that it does harden peoples attitudes.
The unfortunate thing is that this scrote could walk free with the help of some decent lawyers. I am not sure what, if any, WI laws cover ‘stand your ground’ or self defense, but it seems a defense that might work. Not sure how the interstate gun laws might come into play. It’s a shame that the interstate laws might be the only foundational aspect of the crime that might result in a just sentence.
Update: I pregamed well enough to avoid the game. #winning, #weareallfecked
Just seen this video. He's going to get of on self defense isnt he
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First of all it’s a fact not a belief that things are so much better now than they were during the era of Rosa Parks. How is this even a point of contention?
Secondly, I have stated that I understand that the protests are a result of police brutality. I also clearly and unequivocally stated that I support BLM.
You obviously have no interest in understanding my POV. You have no intention of engaging in a rational discourse as you have been insulting me from the very beginning while telling me not to procreate so you’re not taking the high ground here. If the only thing you can contribute is ad hominems how can you expect anyone to respect you or engage with you in a meaningful way? Why should I treat you with respect when you insult me?
You are in no position to accuse me of making strawman arguments or shifting of point when you haven’t made any arguments or points worth discussing.
Everything the right have been barking on twitter are based off those short video clips circulating around social media. I expect the prosecutors to have access to much more evidence than that, and tbh, if he does get off, I blame them for overcharging like they did in the Trayvon Martin case. First degree murder needs to prove intent, and I hope they have more than just the fact that he brought an AR over there.
There goes that whataboutism again. Most countries were built out of tribal & cultural wars. America was specifically created out of the genocide of indigenous people - then built off slavery. It is not comparable. The horrors of black american slavery is not comparable, to other forms (not that anyone should be comparing any type of slavery) - this was a particular evil that my words would not do any justice. When I visited the slave dungeons in Ghana last December, that experience alone was horrifying, and that was just the first step of slavery. And that's just talking about the physical effects - nobody talks about the psychological, mental effects, or societal effects that it's legacy has left on black people globally.
If I owned a shop, yes i'd be upset that it got destroyed - but it's not more important than human lives. Also most of the looting occurred to the big shops - weren't you referring to Nike & LV earlier in the thread? I'm sure they have either insurance or capital to rebuild.
I haven't seen any post from you about BLM specifically, only to criticise the looters - so i'm not sure why you think it's up to me to tell you what I think about fixing the race relations. What are you doing to actively support BLM?
They'll still do him on unlawful possession of a firearm and transporting said weapon across state lines.
Ive seen, albeit online, thats is only a class a misdemeanor
The reply section is such a cesspool. They are now trying to state that the scrote didn’t shoot anyone before the street scene, completely gaslighting the fact that he murdered someone just minutes earlier.
The guy he shot wasn't armed as far as I know.
There's a longer thread on the whole incident here.