SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Andersonson said:
" Italy’s mortality rate from the coronavirus is almost 10 per cent.
Spain’s mortality rate is almost 7 per cent, while in the United Kingdom, that number is 5 per cent.
In Norway’s neighbouring countries, Denmark and Sweden, the mortality rate due to the coronavirus is 2 per cent and 1.6 per cent, respectively.
All these figures are from the EU's Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC)

One recent hypothesis on the very high mortality of the coronavirus in Italy and Spain is that these countries have had major problems with antibiotic resistant bacteria.

The coronavirus paves the way for people to develop severe pneumonia and blood poisoning (sepsis) that cannot be treated with antibiotics. "

I found this very interesting. As of today 12600 have been confirmed, but the Norwegian institute of public health think the actual numbers could be has high as 70000. So far 266 has died. 95 % of the people who has died are over 60 years old.

None under the age of 39 has died of COVID-19.
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That's the first i've heard of any kind of antibiotic resistant bacteria. The numbers from the beginning of the pandemic cannot be relied on.

Last month Italy published the results of a nationwide antibody test where they sampled 65,000 people. 2.5% nationally had Covid antibodies, with 7.5% in the worst hit region, and 25% in the worst hit province. Another test in that particular province had a 60% rate. That all suggests a 2.3% mortality rate, at worst.
 
11101 said:
That's the first i've heard of any kind of antibiotic resistant bacteria. The numbers from the beginning of the pandemic cannot be relied on.

Last month Italy published the results of a nationwide antibody test where they sampled 65,000 people. 2.5% nationally had Covid antibodies, with 7.5% in the worst hit region, and 25% in the worst hit province. Another test in that particular province had a 60% rate. That all suggests a 2.3% mortality rate, at worst.
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I am confused with some of this. When we talk about antibody tests does that indicate people who have had the virus and are now immune? The reason I ask is because I was wondering if given how hard countries like Spain and Italy were hit with the first wave will they now have some limited form of herd immunity happening or am I completely off track here? Cheers
 
Stack said:
I am confused with some of this. When we talk about antibody tests does that indicate people who have had the virus and are now immune? The reason I ask is because I was wondering if given how hard countries like Spain and Italy were hit with the first wave will they now have some limited form of herd immunity happening or am I completely off track here? Cheers
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Nope those stats just show nationally hardly anyone has had it, all we know now is the cases are on the rise but all these graphs and numbers don’t tell the true picture.

its clearly obvious the numbers were well off at the peak of the pandemic just by comparing deaths and hospital admissions we are currently nowhere near that level even if the official case numbers look similar.

doesn’t mean it won’t happen again if everyone ignores it.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
People can just start drinking and attend earlier. Reducing opening hours by 1 hour will have minimal impact, if any.
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sure you can in theory but who actually sits and calculates the x number of hours to drink when you meet up with friends? you just meet at 6 or 7, and that won't change. reducing opening hours will have an affect, of course it will.
 
11101 said:
That's the first i've heard of any kind of antibiotic resistant bacteria. The numbers from the beginning of the pandemic cannot be relied on.

Last month Italy published the results of a nationwide antibody test where they sampled 65,000 people. 2.5% nationally had Covid antibodies, with 7.5% in the worst hit region, and 25% in the worst hit province. Another test in that particular province had a 60% rate. That all suggests a 2.3% mortality rate, at worst.
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It really is depressing to think how much Italy has suffered already with such a tiny % of the population exposed to the virus. Less than 10% in a region that was absolutely battered by the virus. Brings it home how horrendous the burden would be on our health services if we just let it rip through 50%+ of the population. Doesn’t even bear thinking about.
 
Bosws87 said:
Nope those stats just show nationally hardly anyone has had it, all we know now is the cases are on the rise but all these graphs and numbers don’t tell the true picture.

its clearly obvious the numbers were well off at the peak of the pandemic just by comparing deaths and hospital admissions we are currently nowhere near that level even if the official case numbers look similar.

doesn’t mean it won’t happen again if everyone ignores it.
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Thanks.
 
Stack said:
I am confused with some of this. When we talk about antibody tests does that indicate people who have had the virus and are now immune? The reason I ask is because I was wondering if given how hard countries like Spain and Italy were hit with the first wave will they now have some limited form of herd immunity happening or am I completely off track here? Cheers
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The samples were done solely to give an idea of how many people have had it in the country - 1.5 million. Nothing was said about whether having antibodies confers immunity, though you would hope so. Still, even if 2.5% of the population do have lifelong immunity it won't make a blind bit of difference to another outbreak. It's not enough.
 
stepic said:
sure you can in theory but who actually sits and calculates the x number of hours to drink when you meet up with friends? you just meet at 6 or 7, and that won't change. reducing opening hours will have an affect, of course it will.
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Totally disagree, but that's fine.

In my opinion, people will know the hours are reduced and a good proportion will adjust behaviour accordingly.

Even if, as you say, time is reduced for every person in the pub by 1 hour. That will have minimal impact on stopping spread of the virus.

But if you believe 1 hour less will make a significant impact, then pubs must be the central hub for viral transmission. In that case, imagine what could be achieved if they were closed for the full 10 hours each day!

In my opinion, people seem to be suspending logic in order to justify these rules.
 
It was always going to be a big problem for pubs the colder it got. I’ve only been inside a pub twice I believe, the rest of the time I’ve only gone to outdoor areas.

It’s been quite sunny over the last week, but once this spell of sun goes, lots more people will be forced inside. Pubs will either try and get more people in, or lose money.
 
Bosws87 said:
They have got a shock to the system if they think people are just gonna continue going to work but spending the rest of the time in complete lockdown.
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You'll be amazed what the average Brit will accept if it's guised as being for their safety.
 
I’m positively sure that I’ve got COVID. Can’t get a test at all though. Can’t drive as I’m too ill and cannot order one online. But if this isn’t COVID I’ll be surprised as I’ve got all the symptoms. Although the cough isn’t too bad but I can hardly take this temperature. It feels like I’ve been sunburnt.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Totally disagree, but that's fine.

In my opinion, people will know the hours are reduced and a good proportion will adjust behaviour accordingly.

Even if, as you say, time is reduced for every person in the pub by 1 hour. That will have minimal impact on stopping spread of the virus.

But if you believe 1 hour less will make a significant impact, then pubs must be the central hub for viral transmission. In that case, imagine what could be achieved if they were closed for the full 10 hours each day!

In my opinion, people seem to be suspending logic in order to justify these rules.
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i'm not necessary saying it will have a significant impact, but it will have an affect - which is the aim. as Pogue says, it's about tweaking behaviour, not taking the nuclear option. closing pubs completely would have a far greater impact of course but it's about a balancing act between health and economy. some people may decide to meet earlier to 'make up' the lost hour or so, but i'd imagine the average person will still just meet at the typical time, if for no other reason than people having other commitments too during the day.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I’m positively sure that I’ve got COVID. Can’t get a test at all though. Can’t drive as I’m too ill and cannot order one online. But if this isn’t COVID I’ll be surprised as I’ve got all the symptoms. Although the cough isn’t too bad but I can hardly take this temperature. It feels like I’ve been sunburnt.
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That sucks. Get a test booked in anyway and get a load of paracetamol into you. You could be feeling less rough by the time your test comes around. Meanwhile, batten down the hatches and drink loads of fluids.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I’m positively sure that I’ve got COVID. Can’t get a test at all though. Can’t drive as I’m too ill and cannot order one online. But if this isn’t COVID I’ll be surprised as I’ve got all the symptoms. Although the cough isn’t too bad but I can hardly take this temperature. It feels like I’ve been sunburnt.
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Good luck fella, hope it breaks soon
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I’m positively sure that I’ve got COVID. Can’t get a test at all though. Can’t drive as I’m too ill and cannot order one online. But if this isn’t COVID I’ll be surprised as I’ve got all the symptoms. Although the cough isn’t too bad but I can hardly take this temperature. It feels like I’ve been sunburnt.
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That sucks, where you think you caught it?
 
it won’t be a full lockdown again, more a work + school + grocery + take outs yes, everything else no.
I think hospitality will close again and we won’t be able to socialise. There may be a “work from home where you can” narrative again too - I think they were stupid to ever move away from that in the first place.
 
The Government have absolutely fecked us. And unfortunately too many people are buying into blaming the general public for it. Lockdown was supposed to be about buying time to get systems into place. Their systems are an absolute disaster. They knew cases would rise when things were opened up and they began begging people to get out and about and ‘do our bit’ to save the economy. Wankers.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That sucks. Get a test booked in anyway and get a load of paracetamol into you. You could be feeling less rough by the time your test comes around. Meanwhile, batten down the hatches and drink loads of fluids.
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Thanks but I can’t get a test booked at the minute. I’m not driving at the minute and so I can’t go anywhere. Home testing kits have been unavailable last 3 times I rang in past two days. But yeah is paracetamol safe to take it or just ibrufen that was said to exacerbate the symptoms. At least that’s what I heard the last time when I was in the thread. Cheers for the advice though.
 
fergieisold said:
That sucks, where you think you caught it?
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An acquaintance of my tested positive with whom I’ve indirectly been in contact with. Or I suppose anywhere really as I’ve been working going to shops ordering takeaways etc. All I know is that I’ve got a high temperature, body aches all over, lethargy a very mild inconsistent cough. Today is the worst day since the symptoms started on Wednesday.
 
acnumber9 said:
The Government have absolutely fecked us. And unfortunately too many people are buying into blaming the general public for it. Lockdown was supposed to be about buying time to get systems into place. Their systems are an absolute disaster. They knew cases would rise when things were opened up and they began begging people to get out and about and ‘do our bit’ to save the economy. Wankers.
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I think it’s a bit of both. The government have truly messed up their messaging throughout the whole thing, it was never going to be a good thing to encourage people to eat out, return to pubs or get back to offices. They were probably banking on companies and hospitality having amazing, strict Covid prevention strategies in place but other than wearing a mask and sticking some hand gel out, there hasn’t been any. Some will say the guidelines on what makes a workplace/shop/restaurant “Covid safe” should have been better cascaded by the government and that is true BUT these places have to take accountability too, it’s not rocket science - for instance, with all the hype of PS5, Game and Currys have had people queuing to get in stores to preorder. The Game I went in yesterday had no inkling to invite the queue inside one at a time or to get someone in the queue asking what they wanted to speed things along, it was a free for all and a long wait inside a store not being even 1m apart (luckily I was second in the queue, would not have waited otherwise). If I walk past my local Nandos, the chairs are not 2m apart, the staff aren’t wearing masks etc. These are just two stories of many. The fact is a vast number of people have returned to their pre Covid ways with the exception of the token gesture of wearing a mask in a shop. That is NOT going to cut it. A large part of that attitude is the governments doing but a good portion is the inherent non commitment of the general public to safety precautions.
 
Feel like eat out to help out was this year's hospitality christmas season. Think there's a fair chance hospitality venues won't be open over the Christmas period.

Glorious.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
An acquaintance of my tested positive with whom I’ve indirectly been in contact with. Or I suppose anywhere really as I’ve been working going to shops ordering takeaways etc. All I know is that I’ve got a high temperature, body aches all over, lethargy a very mild inconsistent cough. Today is the worst day since the symptoms started on Wednesday.
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Wishing you a speedy recovery.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Thanks but I can’t get a test booked at the minute. I’m not driving at the minute and so I can’t go anywhere. Home testing kits have been unavailable last 3 times I rang in past two days. But yeah is paracetamol safe to take it or just ibrufen that was said to exacerbate the symptoms. At least that’s what I heard the last time when I was in the thread. Cheers for the advice though.
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Paracetamol your best bet. Just don’t take too much. Read the label carefully.
 
Can you get COVID twice? I think I might have had it at the end of March. That was really bad, I could barely breathe to the point where I considered ringing an ambulance.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Paracetamol your best bet. Just don’t take too much. Read the label carefully.
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Fair enough, I took clonazepam as well which I take for tremors before I go to bed as I can’t seem to fall asleep by I can’t really do much else either. You think that would be okay, just while I’m feeling under the weather. I’ll obviously not be making
a habit out of it. It’s just my muscles feel so stiff I feel like I need something to relax a bit. Cheers for advice though,
Much appreciated.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Can you get COVID twice? I think I might have had it at the end of March. That was really bad, I could barely breathe to the point where I considered ringing an ambulance.
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There are cases of reinfection but they are very small compared to the number of people that have now had it so it’s still a little loose on facts and data.
keep trying to get that test if you can.
 
Adamsk7 said:
There are cases of reinfection but they are very small compared to the number of people that have now had it so it’s still a little loose on facts and data.
keep trying to get that test if you can.
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Yeah, agreed. There are loads of properly nasty viral/bacterial infections that aren’t covid. And they haven’t gone away. In fact, they’re still a more likely diagnosis for any one individual.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, agreed. There are loads of properly nasty viral/bacterial infections that aren’t covid. And they haven’t gone away. In fact, they’re still a more likely diagnosis for any one individual.
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Well hopefully this is just it but in March I literally couldn’t breathe and had to prop myself up against my bed board to get a proper breath. Rang the out of hours and they suggested an ambulance but I told them I’m going to wait until the morning and thankfully I felt slightly better the next day. So feck knows what that was. Now this. But it’s a bollocks that I can’t get a test to at least know for sure. What’s it going to be like in December when everyone has flu and colds etc.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Feel like eat out to help out was this year's hospitality christmas season. Think there's a fair chance hospitality venues won't be open over the Christmas period.

Glorious.
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Yeah amazing. It'll be great so many people working in that industry not earning any money, including students who definitely don't need jobs.
 
We have got no chance, a family of 6 geordies have just arrived to stay in the holiday home next to my house, no doubt off to the beach this afternoon then a meal in one of the local pubs. There are no tests available round here so what is the likely hood of them staying in and isolating if any of them felt a bit ill?
 
djembatheking said:
We have got no chance, a family of 6 geordies have just arrived to stay in the holiday home next to my house, no doubt off to the beach this afternoon then a meal in one of the local pubs. There are no tests available round here so what is the likely hood of them staying in and isolating if any of them felt a bit ill?
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Go over and have a word. I'm sure they'll be reasonable.
 
Adamsk7 said:
I think it’s a bit of both. The government have truly messed up their messaging throughout the whole thing, it was never going to be a good thing to encourage people to eat out, return to pubs or get back to offices. They were probably banking on companies and hospitality having amazing, strict Covid prevention strategies in place but other than wearing a mask and sticking some hand gel out, there hasn’t been any. Some will say the guidelines on what makes a workplace/shop/restaurant “Covid safe” should have been better cascaded by the government and that is true BUT these places have to take accountability too, it’s not rocket science - for instance, with all the hype of PS5, Game and Currys have had people queuing to get in stores to preorder. The Game I went in yesterday had no inkling to invite the queue inside one at a time or to get someone in the queue asking what they wanted to speed things along, it was a free for all and a long wait inside a store not being even 1m apart (luckily I was second in the queue, would not have waited otherwise). If I walk past my local Nandos, the chairs are not 2m apart, the staff aren’t wearing masks etc. These are just two stories of many. The fact is a vast number of people have returned to their pre Covid ways with the exception of the token gesture of wearing a mask in a shop. That is NOT going to cut it. A large part of that attitude is the governments doing but a good portion is the inherent non commitment of the general public to safety precautions.
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Nailed it
 
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