What is the actual reality then?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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What is the actual reality then?
Are face coverings actually mandatory or not in shops? Just been shopping in Aldi, Tesco and Asda..... Aldi fairly good, Tesco and Asda horrendous by their staff. I counted 17 staff between the two without even trying to look for it.
I doubt their bigwigs care - since they'll roll it in from a lockdown.
I doubt their bigwigs care - since they'll roll it in from a lockdown.
Mandatory in retail (for staff) from Monday, unless they have a medical or other reason for not wearing them.
Peak of April with the same number of "officially" confirmed cases you had 3500- people a day hospitalized now you have 300, so in reality with basic maths we had 10x as many cases a day then just not being tracked officially.
Media manipulating figures to scaremonger, grab attention and sell headlines, we will reach that point again if we don't get on top of it but with the testing now you would expect 60k confirmed cases a day roughly.
I remember back in April test to positive cases ratio was about 0.5, I reckon now it’s significantly lower given the number of tests being carried out?
Very refreshing isn't it. He knows he can't be touched so is willing to go all out whilst our experts have to resort to typical British world play where rebellion is a mere hint and not agreement.
That is exactly what you need on the news at times like this. Although i assume it won't air on the likes of Fox.
It's pretty common knowledge that the case numbers in April was a small snippet of the actual cases. We were only testing in hospitals, at the point where people had it, and not even testing in community. We were probably at 100,000 cases per day back in the first 'wave'. The numbers will look bigger in this next phase as the testing is happening, in all settings.
No sh*t, that's their job? It's easy enough to ignore it. The tracing element is where it's going to make the difference in the next phase, and a centralised system needs to be devolved to allow local authorities to pick this up. They will have a better success rate.
We were only testing in hospital back then, and you was only admitted with symptoms. Around a quarter of the tests in the last two weeks have been for people with no symptoms, coming forward for a test.
That is quite shocking, for how much they like to stress the economic impact of coronavirus. I expect however, that when a vaccine is finally approved, funding for distribution and manufacturing will go through the roof.
Bill and Melinda Gates more or less matching the UK government and EU Alliance spending. Amazing. Clearly the world needs more billionaires
On a more serious note, this might be one of those things where it’s not actually possible to throw any more money at the problem. There are only so many promising candidates and I would be amazed if a lack of funding is the reason for any delays in their development. A friend of mine recently joined a biotech start-up developing a technology which might end up vaguely related to covid treatments. He said it’s ludicrously easy to secure huge grants from the EU right now if you mention covid in your proposal.
On the Gates foundation: a bit off topic but this one seems legit, unlike the Trump one for example.Bill and Melinda Gates more or less matching the UK government and EU Alliance spending. Amazing. Clearly the world needs more billionaires
On a more serious note, this might be one of those things where it’s not actually possible to throw any more money at the problem. There are only so man
The Gates’ are committed to spending all of the money no later than 20 years after their deaths so there is no foundation left to manage. They don’t want someone else interpreting their wishes.
The Gates foundation is the biggest philanthropic organization in the world. Of course, they are legit.
Also, 25B is a LOT of money. Vaccine development most years gets <5B spent on it.
Also, 25B is a LOT of money. Vaccine development most years gets <5B spent on it.
But.. but.. the Gates are trying to rule the world through the vaccines and making huge profits off Covid
according to FB whackos
Read his biography, he was a man of class
Did a lot for Ireland
I believe he is one of the inspirations for Bill Gates
The reality of that statement doesn't make a good thread for twitter though.
Wow....only 4-5 weeks ago we are at 2k cases/day. In another two weeks, we'll be hitting 10k/day
I reckon we’ll be hitting 10k next week
Crazy idea but you can also read the article linked in the tweet.
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Challenges with universities at the minute, biggish outbreak in Glasgow, over 500 self isolating in Dundee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54268780
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54268780
EDIT: Live on Android too.
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Yeah. My sentence looks a bit off as the word ‘seems’ clearly doesn’t belong there. Typical of me.
The vast majority of the UK accepted the lockdown and a decent number of said majority were begging for an extension and to go even further (take the excercise right away) .
Manchester's numbers still rising. Keep in mind that Manchester has had measures against home visits for two months now. Bars in some areas have been closing at 10 for the past three weeks. Plus some shop closures etc.
And this is all happening before the bulk of students arrived. If 200/100k is going to be a new normal, or the figure that the NHS can handle for the winter then maybe we need some more colours for the alert flags. If it needs to come down, then just saying "local measures" won't help - unless there are actual local measures helping people rather than just telling them off for being naughty.
And this is all happening before the bulk of students arrived. If 200/100k is going to be a new normal, or the figure that the NHS can handle for the winter then maybe we need some more colours for the alert flags. If it needs to come down, then just saying "local measures" won't help - unless there are actual local measures helping people rather than just telling them off for being naughty.
@Pogue Mahone I think this article is suggesting a neutralising vaccine is quite possible https://theconversation.com/amp/how...covid-19-vaccine-is-safe-and-effective-146091
I think you mean sterilising vaccine? They refer to neutralising antibodies but they’re really just a proxy for effectiveness in early phase trials. They don’t tell us anything about whether the vaccine will be sterilising or not. Which is all that matters if you’re hoping to eradicate a virus. The article doesn’t really get into this.
It also confirms what I said to you before. They’re shooting for a very low bar of 50% efficacy. Which is obviously incompatible with eradicating the virus completely. Realistically, we’re hoping for a virus that will reduce severity of illness for the most vulnerable people approved for use at some point next year. Probably rolled out over the following 6-12 months.
I get the impression you’re expecting a sterilising vaccine being used to eradicate the virus, globally, at some point next year. Not going to happen.
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Covid sniffer dogs - what a job.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ort-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ort-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19
In some papers I read neutralising was used as a synonym for sterilising, in that is prevented the virus infecting cells. Obviously, that doesn't mean a vaccine will operate efficiently enough to be functionally sterilising even if it does operate primarily to prevent infection, rather than deal with the virus post infection, but still good news.
And I have no expectation of global eradication. I hope that the vaccine will be potentially sterilising and I hope the 100% results from stage 2 result in a highly effective human vaccine (yes - I know that one doesn't equate to the other) and I think the results to date allow that hope (not fact or certainty) but I have no expectation that 7 billion people will be vaccinated by January 2021. Once we get a vaccine or vaccines there will be other issues and considerations - most likely an entirely different shit show as we are all led by donkeys bar probably NZ and a few others. Manufacture, distribution and vaccine resistant feckwits all spring to mind as potential problems.
Not a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening! Hope you didn’t think I thought you were quite that far ensconced in cloud cuckoo land.
I share your hope. We all do. But you have to think about realistic, not hopeful, scenarios when working out what’s best for each country. And that’s why it’s reasonable to have had doubts about Australia/NZ and to wonder if the Swedes maybe weren’t quite as foolish as it first seemed.
I’d swap places with where NZ is right now in a heartbeat but there are much tougher times for them ahead. When their initial eradication strategy might cause a whole raft of problems down the line.
Fudge me, Bezos made more than that during the Pandemic.
The end of MancHattenManchester's numbers still rising. Keep in mind that Manchester has had measures against home visits for two months now. Bars in some areas have been closing at 10 for the past three weeks. Plus some shop closures etc.
And this is all happening before the bulk of students arrived. If 200/100k is going to be a new normal, or the figure that the NHS can handle for the winter then maybe we need some more colours for the alert flags. If it needs to come down, then just saying "local measures" won't help - unless there are actual local measures helping people rather than just telling them off for being naughty.
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Always a risk the vaccine won't work or work well enough. Worth the risk imo as it was the moral choice. AU should also thank NZ because our federal clown collective couldn't afford yet another shambles and chaos if they hadn't followed NZ and it might have been the end of them.
As for Sweden, they are nowhere near herd immunity so even in such an atypical country there is still huge pain to be incurred if they are to pass HIT without a vaccine.
Who the hell came up with that job support scheme? Unless I’m completely misunderstanding something do they actually think employers are going to pay three people 55% of their wage when they could just have one person do it?
Of course they don’t, its been designed with the same bad faith “blame the public” caveat just like the rest of their policies have during this pandemic. On the very very superficial face of it, it sounds generous and like they are committing a lot more money but like you say, who is going to actually take the government up on this one? It’s illogical. Why pay 165% of a wage for 3 people collectively to carry out 99% of a weeks work when you can pay one person 100% of a wage to do 100% of a weeks work?
Herd immunity is a much abused phrase and a red herring when it comes to Sweden (an appropriate fish for Sweden, right?) Where they are likely to have an advantage over a lot of other countries in the next couple of years is in having a refined approach to getting on with as normal a life as possible while living with the virus. Plus the higher the % of people exposed the easier it is to put a lid on each outbreak. This isn’t about getting to 70-80% exposure and your problems suddenly go away. It’s a gradual process with each person that recovers acting as a fire break and the more fire breaks the better.
Now obviously if reinfection happens quickly or frequently that torpedoes this strategy. But it also puts a huge hole below the waterline of any strategy reliant on eradication.