For all the Ole Iners

Well Klopp just got spanked 7-2 with purportedly the best defenders in europe right now... If ole isn't the answer, does that Mean Klopp definitely isnt?

Shit happens, move on to the next game and hopefully our defenders regrow their heads where they should be.
 
charlenefan said:
You'd think after seeing managers with better CV's than Ole fail here anyone with even half a brain would recognise it's not the mangers fault for this clubs failings
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Seeing how must of them can’t rationally justify anything they spout, I’d say half a brain is being generous.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m firmly in the Ole In camp.

To see two threads started today both predicting when Ole gets the sack and who the next manager is quite frankly, sickens me. Absolute state of it.

What have we become as a club that we all have become what we hated to see in other clubs.

Absolute joke of a fanbase atm. The whole fanbase is toxic, a lot of them are fickle and have only experienced the highs and not the lows. So crave more of it.

This is not how you support a football team, a large portion of our fanbase could not hack supporting a League 1 or 2 team who often go through peaks and troughs, relegations, yo yoing and nearly there moments, even having 4-5 game losing streaks winning a couple and then going on a 3 game losing streak.

Support the club and have patience!
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Its not even the camp that people place themselves in that is making it harder to come here. Its the extremism and the unrelenting negativity thats just so draining.

Be Ole-in, be Ole-out, or anywhere in between. Its all good. At least try to prevent this forum from being as toxic as it has become. Step back and analyse things, and realise that seasons are long & we will lose games sometimes, without having to tear everything and everyone apart in your need to vent.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m firmly in the Ole In camp.

To see two threads started today both predicting when Ole gets the sack and who the next manager is quite frankly, sickens me. Absolute state of it.

What have we become as a club that we all have become what we hated to see in other clubs.

Absolute joke of a fanbase atm. The whole fanbase is toxic, a lot of them are fickle and have only experienced the highs and not the lows. So crave more of it.

This is not how you support a football team, a large portion of our fanbase could not hack supporting a League 1 or 2 team who often go through peaks and troughs, relegations, yo yoing and nearly there moments, even having 4-5 game losing streaks winning a couple and then going on a 3 game losing streak.

Support the club and have patience!
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He wasn't qualified to manage the club in the first place, so obviously people are going to be calling for him to be replaced after losing 6-1 to our last manager who was sacked for not being good enough.
 
Ole isn’t a great manager, he doesn’t have a master plan, he got the job by accident. He’s done all he can do now let’s move on at some point this season.

Pep has probably reached the end at City, Klopp will at Liverpool at some point. Let’s stop pretending we’ve got a competent manager, this job is and will be tough enough for much better managers than Ole.
 
I'd absolutely love to be wrong about Ole because he is a club legend and he seems to be a person nobody has a bad word to say about, not even the most ardent of ABUs. The guy is a saint.

But can the pro-Ole crowd honestly envisage this club lifting major honours with him in charge, with this team and with these tactics, whatever they may be?
 
Damien said:
To be fair, it hasn't been 2.5 years, 2.5 seasons or even two years. He's been here for just over 1.5 seasons - two years in December.
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Sure, 1.5 seasons then. And if we take our start to this season together with the downturn since just before Southampton last season, you can argue that's enough of a sample to conclude we don't look any better. By the time Ole has completed 2 full seasons does anyone actually think we'll be on course for say, an FA Cup victory? Or a well established top 4 position? I find this highly unlikely.
 
sport2793 said:
I have no personal problem with folks being Ole out, after all we all want to see the club succeed. What I don't get are the "fans" who are not equally forceful in being Glazers out when they are the ultimate underlying problem post SAF. That is what is unforgivable for me and I do feel that the fans who are indifferent to the Glazers or at least are not equally as vociferous about it are contributing to the demise of this club.
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100% this.

Lets say Ole does get the sack & another manager comes in, is it rinse and repeat again?

Why not Glazers?

Though according to Evra, Glazers absolutely adore United.

Allegedly Woodward is the one who is too trustworthy of those beneath him who do all the work for him and Woodward signs it off

Why not Woodward/Judge out?
 
Tibs said:
Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, Leicester should finish above us in the current state we are in...I don't get how anyone can be Ole in, when there is a much better manager in Poch available.
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Heard this all last season, yet we finished 3rd.
 
The players are absolute cowards.

They took one of the greatest managers the game has ever seen down. They're gutless social media obsessed dickheads. Why wouldn't they do the same to Ole?
 
He’s not got a clue.

When do we ever play as a team? If Bruno hadnt carried us to the top 4 he’d of got sacked last season. As soon as Bruno’s form dipped we became shite.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m firmly in the Ole In camp.

To see two threads started today both predicting when Ole gets the sack and who the next manager is quite frankly, sickens me. Absolute state of it.

What have we become as a club that we all have become what we hated to see in other clubs.

Absolute joke of a fanbase atm. The whole fanbase is toxic, a lot of them are fickle and have only experienced the highs and not the lows. So crave more of it.

This is not how you support a football team, a large portion of our fanbase could not hack supporting a League 1 or 2 team who often go through peaks and troughs, relegations, yo yoing and nearly there moments, even having 4-5 game losing streaks winning a couple and then going on a 3 game losing streak.

Support the club and have patience!
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I have always been firmly Ole in, however the end of last season and the start of this one......less said the better.

What really annoys me is his fixation with playing the same 11 for every game. Did he not watch Fred last season? Can he not see how much of a liability Pogba is in that position? Also doesnt see that lindelof and maguire are a bad combo.

I'm ok with giving him another few months but he needs some new ideas and fast.....you cant deny that?
 
I genuinely believe that only prime Fergie could win something with these shite owners. Pep would never win anything if he was our coach. Mourinho already failed. Klopp could maybe have scraped a PL or CL win eventually, only to crash and burn in spectacular fashion.

We can keep changing managers every other year and hope to eventually find the new Fergie, or we could deal with the actual problem, which is the owners. If there ever was a man in charge that I would be willing to support blindly despite lack of results, it would have to be Ole. The moment we as fans turn on the manager and celebrate his sacking, the owners laugh all the way to the bank. Moyes would have been a failure regardless, but looking at what happened with Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole, it's clear to see that changing the manager wont solve our problems(unless we hit the jackpot with whoever takes the job).

The club seems rotten to the core. The role of our manager is to keep us semi-relevant and take 100% of the blame when things go wrong. Looking at the 'Ole out' thread it seems to have worked already, and it pisses me off.
 
I’m with you bud. It’s not going to be a quick job anymore as we cocked up the successor to Fergie. We compounded that with appointing two managers who were a country mile away from what we needed as managers.

Ole’s doing the right things in trying circumstances and it’s going to take some time, I just hope days like today are kept to a minimum as that really tested my loyalty
 
Support the club by not putting money into the pockets of charlatans it's as simple as that. The day they will be gone is the day where we can rebuild the club from scratch so that we can go back to becoming a massive club sports wise rather than this financial puppet club that we have become which put sponsorship deals ahead of building a great team.
 
VP89 said:
Look at it this way - although not backed as well as other clubs in the window, the fact remains that Ole has an abundance of quality in his first XI.

His inability to actually implement a system and have us look this disjointed is not really an output you'd expect if you had say, Tuschel, Nagalsmann, Poch, Allegri or Rose to have.

Other managers can do more with the resources available to them. In fact Rodgers is an upper B grade manager and in my opinion, did a fantastic job with Leicester with year one. Was terribly unlucky to lose Ndidi, Chilwell and Maddison for the last few games or it would look far worse for Ole than it does
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This has only been true post lockdown though and to be fair, Ole and his team went on a ridiculously long unbeaten run to get into the CL. And there is zero depth after those first line of players so again, you are missing a lot of details here.

Brendan Rodgers had a better squad at Leicester last season than Ole had and it has only gotten better with this window with the loss of only Chilwell. Considering that Poch was sacked after a really poor form of results with a good first XI on paper, I don't think even the managers with supposedly visionary tactical plans are immune to getting the ultimate blame for a lack of results.
 
Tibs said:
Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, Leicester should finish above us in the current state we are in...I don't get how anyone can be Ole in, when there is a much better manager in Poch available.
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We are one place above the relegation zone now.
 
Ole for me is solely a steak manager, and that means that the players have to be at their absolute peak for us to get results, but you cannot maintain peak for a whole season or even a few months at a time. When not on their game as long as they are playing to a system and patterns we can still pull out results. The get out there and express yourself doesn't wash it.

He has no system or any know how on how to change a game. That was blatantly obvious today. How anyone can be happy with Ole, I don't understand.

Also seems incapable of dropping players that are out of form, see Pogba today and DVB on the bench.
 
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Isn't it quite clear now, after several different managers and players in and out. The issues goes way deeper than the manager alone.
 
Imagine having the nerve to come on after losing 6-1 and criticize the fans of slaughtering players and manager. The same fanbase who endured crap 7 years of not challenging for any big things, enduring crap results and have just seen their team lose 6-1 at Old Trafford, after losing 3-1 to Palace few weeks ago too. This fanbase is now toxic because oh they dare to say manager should be sacked and who will be the next manager.

Just having the nerve to come on after such result and have the fans to complain about pisses me off.

Laughable thread.
 
Where Ole has failed is that he hasn’t stamped any kind of playing style on the team. We still play like we don’t have a clue what we are doing and rely on moments of brilliance.

He said he wanted his team to be at least the fittest and most hard working, well that’s worked out well hasn’t it. Where’s the high press he keeps talking about? If the players aren’t doing it who’s fault is that? Don’t pick them and pick someone who will do as you want.
 
charlenefan said:
My opinion is that Klopp and Pep would fail here
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I disagree wholly, but even if we accept they will fail, I'm sure you'd agree their relative performance would be much better than Ole's.

You don't just hire managers with no managerial pedigree for the kick of it. It will work in anomaly situations, but that's it. And the comparison to Zidane is just stupidity (I don't think you were the one who gave it though). Ole has been managing for 8-10 years was it? His only testing phase of which was relegating Cardiff.
 
The last few United managers are so different in style it's not even funny. Its the reason for why we never could gain any traction after SAF left.

Managers don't hire themselves.

And as a United fan this has to be concerning to anyone, not just our supporter base.
 
Enigma_87 said:
We didn't get the best available manager at any point - so no we haven't hired managers comparable with Klopp. Jose was sacked by Chelsea after a disastrous season. LVG expiry date was long ago. Moyes, Ole? Give me a break.

You didn't answer my question - if it wasn't for Klopp would Liverpool be where they are?

Weren't Liverpool accused time and time again that were ran awfully before Klopp?

How have we not backed managers - giving them billion pounds to spend?
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Oh please don't tell me there were many better managers available when we hired Mourinho and don't tell me Klopp was the best when Liverpool hired him either

LVG wanted Muller and Mane
Mourinho wanted Perisic and a CB
Ole wanted Sancho

Yes managers have been given money but on every single occasion the board has let them down when it's time to take the next step and push on. If you can't see the cycle then you're blind; Spend Money > get Top 4 > pull the spending > don't get top 4 > sack the manager > hire someone new > spend money; rinse and repeat
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m firmly in the Ole In camp.

To see two threads started today both predicting when Ole gets the sack and who the next manager is quite frankly, sickens me. Absolute state of it.

What have we become as a club that we all have become what we hated to see in other clubs.

Absolute joke of a fanbase atm. The whole fanbase is toxic, a lot of them are fickle and have only experienced the highs and not the lows. So crave more of it.

This is not how you support a football team, a large portion of our fanbase could not hack supporting a League 1 or 2 team who often go through peaks and troughs, relegations, yo yoing and nearly there moments, even having 4-5 game losing streaks winning a couple and then going on a 3 game losing streak.

Support the club and have patience!
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Have you watched United this year?
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m firmly in the Ole In camp.

To see two threads started today both predicting when Ole gets the sack and who the next manager is quite frankly, sickens me. Absolute state of it.

What have we become as a club that we all have become what we hated to see in other clubs.

Absolute joke of a fanbase atm. The whole fanbase is toxic, a lot of them are fickle and have only experienced the highs and not the lows. So crave more of it.

This is not how you support a football team, a large portion of our fanbase could not hack supporting a League 1 or 2 team who often go through peaks and troughs, relegations, yo yoing and nearly there moments, even having 4-5 game losing streaks winning a couple and then going on a 3 game losing streak.

Support the club and have patience!
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This post looks like virtue signalling. Honest question - have you experienced the lows? Do you remember the burning impatience as the years ticked by since 1967 while Liverpool collected title after title? Or did you read an article about the Ta Ra Fergie banner and laugh with hindsight?

Also, if I supported a League 1 team, I would temper my expectations. Same as I don’t expect British tennis players to win Wimbledon. But when you support the biggest club in the country, it is not unreasonable to expect more than the rubbish we have seen this season (and for large patches of our unproven manager’s reign).
 
VP89 said:
I disagree wholly, but even if we accept they will fail, I'm sure you'd agree their relative performance would be much better than Ole's.

You don't just hire managers with no managerial pedigree for the kick of it. It will work in anomaly situations, but that's it. And the comparison to Zidane is just stupidity (I don't think you were the one who gave it though). Ole has been managing for 8-10 years was it? His only testing phase of which was relegating Cardiff.
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I don't know, I saw Pep's team get ripped apart 5-2 last weekend against Leicester and Klopp's team just outdid us in getting spanked 7-2 by a team that should have been relegated last season.
 
Needs a good response against Newcastle. But given our run of fixtures coming up, a good bet is we have a new manager by Christmas.

I would love if he could turn it around given that he is a club legend.
 
Finally a productive thread where we can have a proper discussion without people living in a FIFA and Football Manager world believing that applies to the real world as well.

It’s been a disappointing start to the season after a good season last season and lots of expected promise. However 3 games in and all is not lost. Dreadful result today. International break at the right time I feel. Get the transfer window out of the way as the speculation is affecting everyone. And let’s go again after the break.
 
sport2793 said:
This has only been true post lockdown though and to be fair, Ole and his team went on a ridiculously long unbeaten run to get into the CL. And there is zero depth after those first line of players so again, you are missing a lot of details here.

Brendan Rodgers had a better squad at Leicester last season than Ole had and it has only gotten better with this window with the loss of only Chilwell. Considering that Poch was sacked after a really poor form of results with a good first XI on paper, I don't think even the managers with supposedly visionary tactical plans are immune to getting the ultimate blame for a lack of results.
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Rodgers didn't have a better squad, where is this coming from? He too relied on limited number of talismans like Maddison and Vardy, but he was able to get the best out of others such as Barnes. Ole's great run was truly great, but you have to objectively look at the performance overall, rather than patches.

Objectively speaking, I feel a manager who has had half a season to settle in + spend around £150m should be capable of getting more than 66 points. He skimmed above Leicester who lost their best players in crunch time + didn't have as good a squad, and a transfer banned Chelsea with Lampard in charge for the first year. It's not exactly a statement start but its top 4 so bare minimum ticked.

But he's bought no goodwill for me, he needs to do more because he has the quality to do more. He had quality not to look like it should be 4-1 before 23 mins vs Tottenham. He had quality to put up better performances vs Brighton and Palace too. He had quality vs Southampton and all of the other matches.

Sure - City are thumped by Leicester, Liverpool are thumped today. Chelsea salvaged a draw vs WBA. But their hiccups will prove to be fewer and far between.
 
Rightnr said:
No, what is an absolute joke is how low the expectations of some fans have gone down.

What's an absolute joke is those same fans think they somehow have a divine right to tell others how to support this football club when we've proven time and again in the past seven years our club is not run well.

I'd advise you to stick to supporting a League 1 or 2 team because clearly you are happy with that level of football and results.
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Classic.

At least the Caf aren't managing the team, thankful for small mercies.
 
More like the top red thread. Those of us who think it's in the club's best interest to replace Solskjaer love the club just as much as you lot.
 
sport2793 said:
I don't know, I saw Pep's team get ripped apart 5-2 last weekend against Leicester and Klopp's team just outdid us in getting spanked 7-2 by a team that should have been relegated last season.
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You will count on one hand how many times these sorts of results occur. But you can find many many examples where Ole has fecked up against simple teams that should be easy enough to beat. That's partly why he got 66 points last season despite having the quality of players to achieve better.
 
el3mel said:
Imagine having the nerve to come on after losing 6-1 and criticize the fans of slaughtering players and manager. The same fanbase who endured crap 7 years of not challenging for any big things, enduring crap results and have just seen their team lose 6-1 at Old Trafford, after losing 3-1 to Palace few weeks ago too. This fanbase is now toxic because oh they dare to say manager should be sacked and who will be the next manager.

Just having the nerve to come on after such result and have the fans to complain about pisses me off.

Laughable thread.
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What’s laughable is fans having a go at the manager and wanting him sacked even when he was doing well. It’s a crap result today and Im sure certain fans would take pleasure in it. Some of us can realise it’s 3 games into a new season and you don’t make knee jerk decisions.The team had a great run at the end of last season so need to get going again. It’s not the first bad start we’ve had and some of us think Ole can turn it around. So take your negativity and go back to your moaning thread.
 
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