Yeah that was what we tried to do with proven winners in LVG n Jose. It didn't work either did it?
And its not just United going with an unproven coach. Lots of clubs are doing it. Zidane had proved what when he took over? Lampard? Arteta?
MNF with Pochettino
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Yeah that was what we tried to do with proven winners in LVG n Jose. It didn't work either did it?
And its not just United going with an unproven coach. Lots of clubs are doing it. Zidane had proved what when he took over? Lampard? Arteta?
Neither will Ole but do continue to beat that dead horse 5 years from now when we're even shitter than we are.
You would think he was SAF himself the way this guy is revered on here.
Ole isn't unproven like Arteta Lampard and Zidane and I don't know why people think this. He's been managing for 10years. I don't even know what you mean by the bolded bit. If Klopp wanted to come here you wouldn't take him because we've tried proven winners before and it didn't work? Anyways this doesn't answer my question. I don't know if you are an Ole outer or whatever but do you think we can dominate the premier league with Ole beating the likes of City Liverpool and Chelsea to the title within 38 matches or face the likes of Bayern Barcelona Juve etc and come out in top winning the champions league with Ole?
This is utter crap though and you know it. It doesnt matter if 3rd was on less points the previous seasons or not. What matters is the final standing. Would you rather finish 2nd on 87 points than winning the league on 60?
I can respect that you want another manager, thats fair enough. But discrediting facts like this is just to simple imo.
I don't see him praised that much, I think it's more people desperate for a change from what we currently have. There's way more doubters of Poch on here now than there used to be.
My post is entirely based on facts while yours is pure assumptions. Just feel free to prove me wrong with data.
Winning the league is a while different thing because you set the tone and it proves it has been a tough season for everyone. But when you have the champions at 100 points and you finish second at 66, then problem is yours.
Surely the quality is same for all teams ?
Honestly it's a bit weird to compare Poch and Ole based on net spend of a club when they're not even in charge of getting the players in. We all know if we bought the same players Spurs did we'd have paid twice as much.
Arteta is a better coach than Ole because has clearly learnt about a modern style of football from Guardiola,in regards to Lampard I would say the jury is still out on him at the moment
Nobody is going to dominate the PL whoever is in charge. The league has changed. The oil money arrived.
Even if we got a Fergie clone back we'd not dominate like we did. The landscape has changed.
And can you see all that happening under Poch?
Arteta will go through tough spell and you will say something different.
Arteta has had to go 5 at the back to get results. That's not progressive. It's defensive.
We tried that and our fans went mental for it being defensive and not the United way.
I am not saying it will but honestly think the time is right to give Pochettino a chance to manage this club.
Just watched his interview in full from last night and honestly think he also has that charisma as well.
Not talking about dominating for years. Liverpool dominated last year as they were better than the rest of the teams, City in previous seasons too. Also don't know why you brought up Poch but to answer your question, no I don't really see that happening under him. But I wouldn't mind him because he's better than what we have and a lot of other available options out there and I think has the better ability to get us to the major trophies than Ole and the current available managers. You've not answered the question I asked earlier
Got a link?
This is actually a myth.
And if I'm not wrong Poch has played against Ole twice and lost twice.
But you were only just saying Poch hasn't been successful because he bottled a lot of big matches, including finals.
You can say we made 3 semi finals last season, but you can also say we bottled 3 semi finals, and all 3 of them were all eminently winnable, even the League Cup given Ole's recent record vs City. We also bottled the top four run in during Ole's first season when we were arguably favourites for it. We nearly bottled it during the last few games of post-lockdown football as well and but for different results on the final day could have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and finished 5th instead of 3rd.
Just to be clear are you saying Ole is better than Poch?This is actually a myth.
And if I'm not wrong Poch has played against Ole twice and lost twice.
There's absolutely no relevance what a manager does on the pitch to become a successful manager off it. What we do know ( on paper ) Ole doesn't have much credentials, if any truth be known as to why he gets the biggest job in football. He basically got the job because the board voted with their pockets and heart.
Ole was a cheap option that they knew would go down well with our fans due to what he did on the pitch.
Poch on the other hand like Ive said many times did well with a tight cnut like Levy who gave him a shoestring budget to work off.
United need to act quickly before Poch is snapped up. The only reason why I think he hasn't got back into football is I believe he wants to come to Old Trafford, just my opinion though.
Not what I am suggesting at all. We would be getting a vastly better MF and perhaps one who we could have bought instead of VDB, who I do rate though.
We didn't get a CB so I don't see how Partey would have been instead of a CB.
If we were offering 90 mil at Sancho, we definitely had the money for Partey at half the price.
Going further back, maybe Ole shouldn't have sanctioned the spunking of 80mil on Maguire if you want to talk about centre backs?
The quality is the same for all teams, therefor ending up 3rd with 66 points is alot better than ending up 6th the previous one with 66. Seasons and teams change each season and its never the same. And I've posted stats further up in this post, with league standings, knockout rounds etc. And according to that, Ole has almost done the same as Klopp in his first season.
Klopp was allowed time and money to rebuild. So should Ole. After 3 or more seasons we can judge what he's really capable of.
Yep, qualifying to the CL consistently in a more competitive league when it comes to the battle for CL spots and reaching the CL final is achieving what Rednapp did. Superficial.
I don't give a damn, really. Doesn't have to be Pochettino. He'll be on upgrade on what we've got, but I've no issue if we hire someone else.
It's as superficial and lazy as this comparison between Solskjaer's and Klopp's first 100 matches we've been seeing. It's just looking at numebrs, when situations are different: The squad you've inherited, what you're trying to do with it, the changing levels of the other teams. I'm focusing on what I'm seeing on the pitch. When we finished second with Mourinho, some thought it was progress and that we'll go on improving. Others, myself included, thought this is as far as this football can take us so we might as well move on.
Last season I didn't care where we finish - third or sixth. I was focusing on the style, hoping to see something to convince me we're heading the right way. There were glimpses of it. There are still glimpses, in certain matches and styles that are comfortable to us. It's just not going to be enough.
No, I wouldn't declare that based on a six-match group.
Yeah our board definitely knew that appointing Ole would be like you said cheap as chips and is going to tug on the heart strings of our fanbase as well
Really 3 more seasons first before judging a manager ? Even the toughest Ole supporters won't say such thing.
Think he meant 3 seasons as a collective to be honest, so end of next season.
By the end of this season I think we should have a clear idea if we should continue with the Ole project or switch to Poch. While I don't think he should be sacked now, we should revisit the manager's position comes the end of the season, and see if we should keep on or change, imo.
Bet you don’t think that if we don’t win the next 6
Completely agreed.
Well, that would be an absolute disaster.
Though I think we're bound to hit a period of good form at one point or so. We have a good enough quality in the squad after all.Klopp before he came to Liverpool had earned such belief to be put in him, it’s the blatantly obvious difference. Utterly ridiculous comparison really. Ole has had plenty of money and time, probably more than any other top team would have given him given his record and standing in the game.
Oh ok it seemed like you were in the first post i replied to.
Partey is a decent player nothing special though which is why he's at Arsenal and not a top side, but this is a Pochettino (Woodward/Solskjaer) thread so we're off topic.
Might be the most misguided post in this thread but yea not the thread for it.
Just don't be shocked when Arsenal finish ahead of us in the table in large thanks to having one of the best holding mids in the world in their squad
Sorry, but can someone explain to me why Poch on MNF, is on the main Manchester united forum?
Embarrassing
Embarrassing
Would be too late. Just see how November goes and sack him if the results doesn't improve.
No i think this might be the most misguided post in here mate. But anyway Pochettino.
Poch is a joke.
i must say he kinda bought me with this tv performance. Seems a good guy and statistics showed in the program were also very interesting.
i really liked distance covered by his teams
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i really liked distance covered by his teams
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This is actually a myth.
And if I'm not wrong Poch has played against Ole twice and lost twice.
This is not a fair comparison. This is not Ole vs top 6. This is Manchester United vs top 6. Spurs is a much smaller club than United. Their net spend ahs been around 50 million when Poch was the manager. You need to add the Cardiff stats too in this case. Furthemore, it is not the result against the top 6 that is crucial. It is also the results against other teams too. That is how you win the PL.
Thank you for adding to the conversation.