SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Stack said:
Bollocks,
it would absolutely work there. Ive lived there a couple of times over the years and was last there just 2 years ago. I was also born there. It would absolutely work there, the police resources are strong enough to handle it with ease. Utter bollocks.
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When was the last time you lived here?

Border check doesn't work here, Wales introduced it in their circuit breaker lockdown and they're now having to go back into another circuit breaker after Xmas. It doesn't reduce the infection rate.

It's complete waste of police resource, and there is no law currently to enforce. Only guidance.
 
Taking parts of Surrey out of tier 3 while it has higher rates than parts of South Manchester. Blatant via towards regions where MPs and affluent political influencers live.
 
F-Red said:
When was the last time you lived here?

Border check doesn't work here, Wales introduced it in their circuit breaker lockdown and they're now having to go back into another circuit breaker after Xmas. It doesn't reduce the infection rate.

It's complete waste of police resource, and there is no law currently to enforce. Only guidance.
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I was last there in 2018. I have tons of family there and tons of friends there.
You have only very slightly less police per 100000 people than we do. Its down to just a couple of Police less per 100000. The lack of Police resources is not a serious argument, its just completely untrue. You have a big enough Police presence. Even if there is no law to enforce Police presence helping with guidelines is valuable. There is less traffic on the road during a lockdown, less people out in the street, especially during your winter and Police do more than just chase criminals down the high street. A waste of Police resources is also a poor argument, Police interacting with the public is always a good thing. Police in the community helps ease barriers for some. The term vanity project is one of those terms chucked around when someone doesnt have a quantifiable set of arguments.
You are just spouting utter Bollocks. Complete and utter Bollocks.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Taking parts of Surrey out of tier 3 while it has higher rates than parts of South Manchester. Blatant via towards regions where MPs and affluent political influencers live.
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South Manchester hospitals are near to capacity, pointless for them to be in tier two.
 
Stack said:
I was last there in 2018. I have tons of family there and tons of friends there.
You have only very slightly less police per 100000 people than we do. Its down to just a couple of Police less per 100000. The lack of Police resources is not a serious argument, its just completely untrue. You have a big enough Police presence. Even if there is no law to enforce Police presence helping with guidelines is valuable. There is less traffic on the road during a lockdown, less people out in the street, especially during your winter and Police do more than just chase criminals down the high street. A waste of Police resources is also a poor argument, Police interacting with the public is always a good thing. Police in the community helps ease barriers for some. The term vanity project is one of those terms chucked around when someone doesnt have a quantifiable set of arguments.
You are just spouting utter Bollocks. Complete and utter Bollocks.
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No one has yet given a good enough reason as to how police doing checks on county borders will decrease infection rates. I'm all ears, but yet community policing (which you're referring to, not actual border checks which is what was proposed) is just business as usual, is not going to reduce the infection rates. This is why it's a vanity project, to look as though you're doing something but the actual impact of your efforts make no contribution to a reduction. There's an argument for the very beginning of the pandemic, or when we're in complete lockdown, but now? Pointless.
 
massi83 said:
Fake news. Still too many, mind.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...giving-travel-volume-2020-pandemic/index.html
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Yeah the TSA produce the numbers daily here. They did get past 40% of last year's for a few days but never above 50%, and they had already gotten over 40% last year's figures at the beginning of November and end of October. Even just a few days ago it was near 40% capacity so the spike at Thanksgiving was overblown. The average for November was 37%, in October it was 32%, and for December it's at 35%. Things haven't changed that much since the summer.
 
Brwned said:
Yeah the TSA produce the numbers daily here. They did get past 40% of last year's for a few days but never above 50%, and they had already gotten over 40% last year's figures at the beginning of November and end of October. Even just a few days ago it was near 40% capacity so the spike at Thanksgiving was overblown. The average for November was 37%, in October it was 32%, and for December it's at 35%. Things haven't changed that much since the summer.
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Thanks!
 
Speechless- most areas near me have gone tier 3- oh but apparently the hunt will still be meeting in tier 3 areas with tier 3 people?! How is that allowed!
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
You got a link for comparative hospital capacity across the various counties?
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No sadly not unfortunately, it's pretty much local press that gives some indicators, this below is one re: Tameside/Oldham. Official data sources just gives total admissions. My other half works at Trafford Hospital, and has siblings which work at Wythenshawe and Salford Royal. Everything they're saying makes me think that it was right to keep tier three status here. If the case rate increases it'll put them back significantly, and they're still not recovering from the spike in early November.

F-Red said:
This is why it's still in Tier 3, from a Tameside MP as well - https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...anchesters-hospitals-struggling-keep-19455621

Case rate falls can't be looked at in isolation as an answer to the current tier level.
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F-Red said:
No sadly not unfortunately, it's pretty much local press that gives some indicators, this below is one re: Tameside/Oldham. Official data sources just gives total admissions. My other half works at Trafford Hospital, and has siblings which work at Wythenshawe and Salford Royal. Everything they're saying makes me think that it was right to keep tier three status here. If the case rate increases it'll put them back significantly, and they're still not recovering from the spike in early November.
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No worries, yes I don't necessarily disagree with tier 3. But I think it is being dropped to tier 2 in areas close to government when it probably shouldn't.

Reality is we probably should have a national lockdown rather than the tier system. Germany for example have implemented a more logical solution for Christmas.
 
Lockdown ma
Fluctuation0161 said:
No worries, yes I don't necessarily disagree with tier 3. But I think it is being dropped to tier 2 in areas close to government when it probably shouldn't.

Reality is we probably should have a national lockdown rather than the tier system. Germany for example have implemented a more logical solution for Christmas.
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Lockdown 3 coming early Jan for a month at least...but again as has been the case throughout this...it's going to be too little and too late.
 
Tibs said:
Lockdown ma

Lockdown 3 coming early Jan for a month at least...but again as has been the case throughout this...it's going to be too little and too late.
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I saw a post from a whistleblower a couple of days back that has been spot on about everything so far and he is stating, with absolute certainty, that it has already been decided that whole of the UK will go back into a full lockdown in January.
 
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oates said:
I seem to remember reading something along the lines of Japan doing better in spite of the Government and am I correct that Japan have only tested in clusters?
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Tokyo on average has 8000 tests done daily. There are theories as to why its so low. This results in less positive tests.

Having said that Tokyo hit 800 positives yesterday a big jump in just a month and it seems nationally there are around 50 daily deaths. (not 100% on that)

Things are developing here but nowhere near like Europe.
 
AkaAkuma said:
Tokyo on average has 8000 tests done daily. There are theories as to why its so low. This results in less positive tests.

Having said that Tokyo hit 800 positives yesterday a big jump in just a month and it seems nationally there are around 50 daily deaths. (not 100% on that)

Things are developing here but nowhere near like Europe.
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Some proportion of city dwellers in Japan lead very different solitary lives to perhaps Western countries. I appreciate that's a generalisation and with no idea what proportion but historically I read that the Japanese live law abiding, socially responsible lives. That Abe may be a bit of a figure of ridicule now but is it the case that the Japanese have more of a sense of protecting the whole?
 
Penna said:
@Carolina Red, are most people just ignoring it all, then? I assume everything is still open and people are just doing what they'd always do? Pickens County :eek:
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I worked in Pickens County for a couple of years over a decade ago. One definitely takes a couple of steps back in everything when you arrive there. You are not talking about the most educated populace in the state, toss in a very intense religious hold over the state (a bit more on the virulent evangelical side the further north you head in it), & you have an environment ripe for disinformation, apathy, & not employing common sense, aided by the state government. The southeast US as a whole smacks of this, but it gets especially poignant in SC.

It certainly is a mess & will only get worse in the days & weeks to come.
 
oates said:
Some proportion of city dwellers in Japan lead very different solitary lives to perhaps Western countries. I appreciate that's a generalisation and with no idea what proportion but historically I read that the Japanese live law abiding, socially responsible lives. That Abe may be a bit of a figure of ridicule now but is it the case that the Japanese have more of a sense of protecting the whole?
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Abe resigned due to ill health, Suga is the new PM and getting all the flack.

an anology I use is that Japan is a country where the elderly dictate norms, its got the warmth of a loving grandma, but her idea of fun is charades.

Having said that Tokyo has its own proportion of youth, they like to have fun as much as any countries youth do.

People say that testing is low, hiding the truth for the olympics. But its not easy to hide deaths.
 
calodo2003 said:
I worked in Pickens County for a couple of years over a decade ago. One definitely takes a couple of steps back in everything when you arrive there. You are not talking about the most educated populace in the state, toss in a very intense religious hold over the state (a bit more on the virulent evangelical side the further north you head in it), & you have an environment ripe for disinformation, apathy, & not employing common sense, aided by the state government. The southeast US as a whole smacks of this, but it gets especially poignant in SC.

It certainly is a mess & will only get worse in the days & weeks to come.
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Your description is kind of how I imagined it. It's such a shame that people don't realise how much danger they're putting themselves in. I would suspect that most people in Pickens County have no idea that they are in such a dire situation with infections.
 
AkaAkuma said:
But its not easy to hide deaths.
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Yes, I read that comment as well.

Bit out of date on Suga, apologies, I'll send him belated note.
 
Penna said:
Your description is kind of how I imagined it. It's such a shame that people don't realise how much danger they're putting themselves in. I would suspect that most people in Pickens County have no idea that they are in such a dire situation with infections.
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I disagree. There’s absolutely no chance that those residents don’t know how dangerous it is. The current admin is still mostly mute over all regarding the situation, but it’s not as though every news media outlet isn’t covering this current situation. Even the right wing media outlets on radio typically are on a larger platform that has national news breaks that will be informing of the current level of the crisis. So, the residents aren’t completely bereft of vital information. And we will see the new admin raise the crisis news decibel level up by a couple of hundred when they take office.

It’s this willful, aggressive ignorance, coupled with selfishness & the clinging to idiotic rituals, that will be the ultimate culprit in the SE regarding this current spike. The healthcare system in upstate SC just isn’t capable of handling what most likely will be coming their way (& already has).
 
Penna said:
@Carolina Red, are most people just ignoring it all, then? I assume everything is still open and people are just doing what they'd always do? Pickens County :eek:
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Yes they are. Go into a grocery store or a gas station and 1 out of every 10-15 people is wearing a mask, despite signs on every single door telling them to. Businesses aren’t even trying to enforce it anymore. Nobody is being asked to exit the building.

The same day that the highest case totals ever were announced in the county I work in, the county’s school district announced the increased school attendance plan we’d be on after break. But no worries! “The virus isn’t spreading inside the schools” and plexiglass divider are gonna keep us all safe.

Over 2200 students will be in my building at one time by the end of January.
ThierryHenry said:
Fecking hell. That's insane, I'm so sorry.
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It is indeed. I am repeatedly dumbfounded by the people in this state.
 
calodo2003 said:
I worked in Pickens County for a couple of years over a decade ago. One definitely takes a couple of steps back in everything when you arrive there. You are not talking about the most educated populace in the state, toss in a very intense religious hold over the state (a bit more on the virulent evangelical side the further north you head in it), & you have an environment ripe for disinformation, apathy, & not employing common sense, aided by the state government. The southeast US as a whole smacks of this, but it gets especially poignant in SC.

It certainly is a mess & will only get worse in the days & weeks to come.
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Funny thing was that they tried to blame their higher than everyone else numbers on Clemson. Then they skyrocketed even though Clemson has been out of school for about a month now.
 
Carolina Red said:
Funny thing was that they tried to blame their higher than everyone else numbers on Clemson. Then they skyrocketed even though Clemson has been out of school for about a month now.
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Sounds about right.

It never ceases to amaze me how you emerged seemingly sane from the ignorance so prevalent in that neck of the woods.
 
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies. How on earth is that possible?
 
Amar__ said:
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies, how on earth is that possible?
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Because they don’t last. It’s the T Cell memory that does and they can’t test for that with the antibody test.

At least that’s my understanding of it!

Edit - doesn’t explain how she didn’t get it in the first instance though I guess!
 
Adamsk7 said:
Because they don’t last. It’s the T Cell memory that does and they can’t test for that with the antibody test.

At least that’s my understanding of it!

Edit - doesn’t explain how she didn’t get it in the first instance though I guess!
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Amar__ said:
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies. How on earth is that possible?
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There are many examples of someone who has it not spreading it to the rest of the family.
Its a strange virus (i think, i dont know if most viruses works this way or not) but it seems that its few people spreading it to many.
 
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