SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Because they don’t last. It’s the T Cell memory that does and they can’t test for that with the antibody test.

At least that’s my understanding of it!

Edit - doesn’t explain how she didn’t get it in the first instance though I guess!

Yeah, that's the thing I don't get either. And then I should be reinfected again considering that my antibodies dried off and she was probably infected 15 days ago. I doubt I had antbodies 15 days ago that I don't have today.
 
So when do you guys think that the first lockdown of 2021 will be?

I am guessing January 15/20ish?
 
Just heard from a mate in Brighton , he`s got 14 people coming round Christmas day then off to a party in Lewes on Boxing day . Madness , he thinks it is all a scam . I haven`t replied as I have no words.
 
Just heard from a mate in Brighton , he`s got 14 people coming round Christmas day then off to a party in Lewes on Boxing day . Madness , he thinks it is all a scam . I haven`t replied as I have no words.
And he will get up to a madness on new years day too.
 
He's still a mate?
He is a 55 year old man that I have been mates with since we were teenagers. We have always got on , don`t see a lot of each other nowadays but have polar opinions about covid. I am not going to fall out with him but I have given up trying to discuss with people that think like him, there are a lot of them too.
 
He is a 55 year old man that I have been mates with since we were teenagers. We have always got on , don`t see a lot of each other nowadays but have polar opinions about covid. I am not going to fall out with him but I have given up trying to discuss with people that think like him, there are a lot of them too.

I was being facetious, but yes I've got a couple of friends who are like that. Difficult to watch but I just leave them to it and avoid any conversations where they start getting on their soap box. They're thankfully not at the level of the 5G/Bill Gates discussions.
 
He is a 55 year old man that I have been mates with since we were teenagers. We have always got on , don`t see a lot of each other nowadays but have polar opinions about covid. I am not going to fall out with him but I have given up trying to discuss with people that think like him, there are a lot of them too.
I wouldn’t be able to bite my tongue like you.

anonymous tip-off?
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?
Right wing Facebook pages help that shit, they also claim there is no flu this year or can’t comprehend why the flu is not as bad as recent years.
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?

Durkheim wrote a book on this and noticed some startling things. For instance suicides decreased during times of war. I think as well he said suicides were higher during the summer months than winter months.
 
Just heard from a mate in Brighton , he`s got 14 people coming round Christmas day then off to a party in Lewes on Boxing day . Madness , he thinks it is all a scam . I haven`t replied as I have no words.

Gosh that must be hard to listen to without exploding.
 
Mom will be getting the first Pfizer jab in two weeks when we get the first bunch of vaccines on 26th ss they’re prioritising key healthcare workers. Absolutely delighted as she has a history of asthma and hypertension.
 
Reports that Boris Johnson called an emergency meeting, to talk about the new strain, and to discuss more restrictions
 
Reports that Boris Johnson called an emergency meeting, to talk about the new strain, and to discuss more restrictions
It needs to happen , with hospital beds filling up rapidly it feels like we are just sleepwalking towards a disaster in all the four nations , whatever each nation has tried hasn`t worked and it just feels like we are coming to a critical point a lot of people seem hell bent on letting go for the week .
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?

Most of the time it's just intuition combined with cherry picking of data, right? For example this journal starts off by saying:

Previous evidence has shown that deaths by suicide can increase during infectious disease outbreaks. Suicides increased during the 1918–20 influenza pandemic in the USA,1 and suicide rates increased among adults aged 65 years and older during the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak in Hong Kong.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30435-1/fulltext

Before going on to report that they have seen no increases in suicides during this time in Queensland or Victoria, but more investigation is needed. People who write and read those journals are trained to weigh up those two ideas that don't fit neatly together, but most of us aren't.

So when you hear that a) there are high numbers of reported calls to suicide helplines / claimed depression and b) in past crises people committed suicide more often, without much conclusive data for either, most people tend to just go with their gut. The fragments of contradictory evidence are dismissed as scientists doing what they always do, saying one thing then another.

It is easier for misinformation to spread and be seen, but folk beliefs based on utterly ridiculous notions were common when communities were very small. That's just a big part of culture, and it's part of how we connect. It's just easier for us to all believe the same ones these days. But the mechanisms for forming those beliefs don't seem to have changed much. Our minds do silly things.
 
It needs to happen , with hospital beds filling up rapidly it feels like we are just sleepwalking towards a disaster in all the four nations , whatever each nation has tried hasn`t worked and it just feels like we are coming to a critical point a lot of people seem hell bent on letting go for the week .
It turns out they are just discussing stricter restrictions on the South East.
 
I have a feeling we are going to go into lockdown again on stephens day, which would mean no free bank holiday this year, do ye think they will make one for July next year, if shit is somewhat under control at that time.
 
I have a feeling we are going to go into lockdown again on stephens day, which would mean no free bank holiday this year, do ye think they will make one for July next year, if shit is somewhat under control at that time.
No chance. 28 soonest.
 
Been in bed for 2 days with flu like symptoms so thought I’d do the right thing and drag myself to the testing station earlier.

Results tomorrow they said. Do feel absolutely awful though.
 
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies. How on earth is that possible?

Either you had another virus, you no longer have detectable antibodies or your test was a false negative. What sort of test did you have?
 
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies. How on earth is that possible?

Maybe you just had flu? Because, despite it being perversely fashionable some how to automatically assume Covid when you’re sick, that does still exist.
 
Whats the likelihood of Boris actually cancelling Christmas now? I mean the 5 days he told everyone about.

Do you think he has it in him?
 
Whats the likelihood of Boris actually cancelling Christmas now? I mean the 5 days he told everyone about.

Do you think he has it in him?

I personally don’t care as the travel restrictions have ruined Christmas and pretty much the whole year for me, but there’s just no chance. There would be riots.
 
Whats the likelihood of Boris actually cancelling Christmas now? I mean the 5 days he told everyone about.

Do you think he has it in him?

No chance. He won't want to be known as the PM who cancelled Christmas. I think a 2 week lockdown from the 29th might happen though.
 
3,648 new cases of Covid in South Carolina today with a positive test rate of 25.9%.

One of the new cases is our governor’s wife. He had a press conference a few days ago where he bitched about all schools not being open full time yet, then told us we only have a couple hundred thousand doses of vaccine in the state, then told us to be sure to mask up. He and his wife were photographed 2 days later at a church service presenting an award to someone on stage... nobody in the whole shot wearing a mask and nobody socially distanced.
 
3,648 new cases of Covid in South Carolina today with a positive test rate of 25.9%.

One of the new cases is our governor’s wife. He had a press conference a few days ago where he bitched about all schools not being open full time yet, then told us we only have a couple hundred thousand doses of vaccine in the state, then told us to be sure to mask up. He and his wife were photographed 2 days later at a church service presenting an award to someone on stage... nobody in the whole shot wearing a mask and nobody socially distanced.
Those are terrible figures. I hate to think what it'll be like around the middle of January.
 
3,648 new cases of Covid in South Carolina today with a positive test rate of 25.9%.

One of the new cases is our governor’s wife. He had a press conference a few days ago where he bitched about all schools not being open full time yet, then told us we only have a couple hundred thousand doses of vaccine in the state, then told us to be sure to mask up. He and his wife were photographed 2 days later at a church service presenting an award to someone on stage... nobody in the whole shot wearing a mask and nobody socially distanced.
Ahhh, yes, those idiotic, ignorant rituals like having to go to church in order to ‘worship properly.’

In SC, idiocy like this can be really destructive due to the insane number of churches around the state.
 
Those are terrible figures. I hate to think what it'll be like around the middle of January.
Look at where we are right now after a secular holiday. This upcoming religious holiday will be even worse, then top it off with the stupidity that will be evident over NYE.
 
I personally don’t care as the travel restrictions have ruined Christmas and pretty much the whole year for me, but there’s just no chance. There would be riots.

Why do you think the UK are unable to accept it while people in Italy, Germany, Netherlands and others are able to accept it?

There will be some people in every country that will decide they will not bow down to such an absurd rule, but the UK has one of the most docile populations on the whole. They haven't protested as much as Germany during this particular crisis, despite facing tougher restrictions and a more incompetent government response. And they haven't rioted like Italy at their angriest. The vast, vast majority of the UK population have done nothing but go about their daily business quietly and subserviently.

So while we know some people who who will think "feck this bullshit, let's go wild", what makes you think there are more of those people than these other countries? I think all of them would expect a significant minority to reject the rules, but the overall effect on transmission would still be worth it.