How are we not close? A vaccine is already out, another is almost getting approved
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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How are we not close? A vaccine is already out, another is almost getting approved
I doubt many people are happy about following it but they do because it's what needs to be done to save lives.
We know a proper lockdown works as shown in March. What has been shown to not work are these half arsed lockdowns and the tier approach. If we continue down the same path of not doing what was done the first time we’ll be back in this position again.
Ok....Thanks for the responses so far Rog
I mean it’s not like we have vaccines to be rolled out over the next 6 or so months or anything.
You've only got to look and how the infection rates were dramatically driven down during the first lockdown and started to rise as restrictions were lifted. The regional tier system has not exactly been an overwhelming success but did have an effect on driving down infections. What do you seriously think would happen if the virus was given free reign?
We've all had to sacrifice stuff, some more than others and I could understand these comments from someone less mature but come on man your'e in your late twenties. Stick a middle finger up to Boris by all means and while you're at it you can add mine , but I hope that you are not suggesting by house piss ups you will be allowing other people into your home. If you do you will be sticking a middle finger up to everyone else.
Oh give it a rest. You're at home with an internet connection not locked up in a prison cell.
Communications are absolutely vital for public compliance, understating and controlling the virus. I would not describe it as a quibble!
point is the outcome has changed, and although you are guessing the outcome will be lockdown after Xmas, once again the communications are mixed, unclear and will not be strategic, but one again last minute changes.
Initially, it was announced that lockdown eased from 2nd December and we had 5 days mixing over Xmas. Now that has changed. It was clear that announcing both of those eases in restrictions would be a disaster, even without a new strain. Look at hospital admission stats in the run up to that announcement and beyond.
I struggle to think how the UK govenrment could have handled this any worse. Highest number of deaths in Europe and worst economic hit.
The reason you struggle to think that is because you jump on the facts about the UK response you think are bad, and overlook the ones that other countries do that are bad. As time goes on those comparisons hold less and less value, because now supposedly Germany are doing the wrong thing. Or maybe some bad outcomes are inevitable given the situations these countries are dealing with.
For example, the UK does not have the highest number of deaths in Europe. Italy has more. You pay attention to the facts that suit the position you want to take.
No white text?
You do realise that despite the government not locking down hard enough or early enough, and not closing borders or enforcing proper quarantine, that what has been done has still made thing less shit than they otherwise would have been?
Your self centred attitude is exactly why young people are being blamed even though most, like my 22 year old son, are behaving responsibly.
Well done for posting this here where you leave yourself open to huge criticism and personal insults for not sitting in the corner of a dark room on your own until Boris says you can move.
You sound like me, at the end of you tether. I went to me mums the other day then my brothers. Not seen them for 8 months. This does not make me a bad person, or a murderer or anything else. It makes me a human being. I have sacrificed myself for 9 months now when a lot of people dont seem to have sacrificed anything.
Going there is safer than going to Tesco, or anywhere else whoever will criticise me has been to lately.
I will also be going to another family members house on boxing day. Bite me. Not arsed.
Isn't the difference between Italy and the UK less than 2,000 deaths ?
It's a pretty close contest tbh.
Tbh I get the sentiment I really do. I’ve lost a lot of money this year just on booked flights etc that I’ve been unable to get back. I haven’t seen my girlfriend since March as she’s American and also a student in DC at John Hopkins. I myself just returned to university this year and whilst I’m enjoying it the financial repercussions have been staggering personally with possible negative implications for the future.
Just this Friday we booked a trip to cancun, which after not seeing each other for almost a year, me personally having not left the house other than to go to my local Tesco and the barbers was a godsend. Literally in the hours after we’d booked the news about this strain starting emerging and literally everything that followed. Felt like a massive cruel joke. After waiting since March and having those trips ruined the next time we’ve tried here in December and this is what happens.
It’s been a shitshow, there’s been no clarity and the communications pull you one way and then the other. It’s been deeply frustrating watching people fly all over the place seemingly with no trouble and breaking protocols wily nily.
So yeah I completely understand the sentiment, and whilst the big picture is the vaccine is coming it’s just unfortunately been a huge sacrifice. It’s time and money that people won’t get back and for me personally the timing has made it so that any period of time I’ve got that’s feasible has never lined up. I know people in here are frustrated that appetite to follow rules has diminished and I get that but I think it’s worth bearing in mind each of us is different and none of us know what the other has had to personally endure.
I wonder if this new strain is causing more asymptomatic than sympomatic cases? In Essex we had texts from the council for everyone to get tested (no symptoms only), that was on the 10th and then two days later you see the spike in the data for positivity rate.
Isn't it odd for mass testing of the community to suddenly show a higher rate than testing people with just symptoms? Seems to run contrary to expectations.
Isn't it odd for mass testing of the community to suddenly show a higher rate than testing people with just symptoms? Seems to run contrary to expectations.
I haven't seen my 21 year old son for a year and it is likely going to be nearly another year before I do. I hate it as does he. However, there is a pandemic going on so we accept that it is what it is.
So suck it up princess. Things will be largely back to normal in 12 months time, which is feck all time in the scheme of things.
Ah, yes, if only the government had (insert rationalization here), this potential tragedy could have been averted. No blame needs to be allocated to the couple at all...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-United-fight-complete-chaos-passengers.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-United-fight-complete-chaos-passengers.html
Turns out it’s actually 1500
We've got it so good in this country in truth, we've all had to put up with a lot, made so many sacrifices, dealt with loss and blows to our lives. No ones had the year they expected. I just find people acting a bit spoilt like they don't deserve to have to live like this anymore a bit ridiculous. It is shit, but this isn't going to be our lives forever, but the more people rebel, the longer it will drag on and on.
Thinking like @SiRed and @Schmeichel's Cartwheel actually depresses me. Just because you’re done with it, the rest of us hanging in there have to suffer the endless circle of consequences.
Shocking, isn’t it?
Hubris & selfishness will keep spurring this pandemic along until true lockdown measures are enacted, those with actual punitive consequences for rule breakers.
Yes, the people we should be really sorry for are the very elderly and those who are terminally-ill, who may not have much time left even without Covid. If you're 20-something and healthy this is just a blip in your life, as you have decades still to come when everything will be back to normal.
I'm going to be a boomer now, but I wonder what everyone did during the last war when all the men were sent away for years and years, with no internet, telephones or anything other than the occasional little letter.
The actions of the government negate the efforts of the people. Time and time again.
To re-phrase this slightly, how many lives are you happy to sacrifice for your life? If just one person has to die so that you can have a piss up is that okay? This is purposefully inflamatory, but this virus can't be considered at an individual basis, that's not how it works. It thrives on our sociability.
Through no fault of their own, some individuals have had their lives shortened by this virus. Not only that, their families haven't been able to grieve with limited funeral allowances. Imagine that - someone you love is dieing, but you cant see them - not only that, but then you can't even get together and have the support of friends and family after they have died. Imagine you're one of these people then imagine seeing someone decide they're "done with lockdown" becasue they've had to sit at home and work.
Healthcare, care workers, teachers, supermarket staff, delivery drivers all have had to work throughout this pandemic. These people have been purposely putting themselves at risk for us in the general population so that we can have the privilege of being able to shield away from this virus.
You are allowed to make your own decisions and everyone has their own position that they are coming from. Just try to understand all contexts. Please.
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Do the actions of the government negate the actions of the people time & time again?
Or should people be held accountable for their own actions?
Remember to tell everyone with mental health problems staying at home to give it a rest, they’ve got the internet ffs
You’re demanding a full lockdown aren’t you? Who is it that has the power to do that?
Jesus
While you’re at it you may as well say feck people’s parents, feck their grandparents, feck the NHS, feck the teachers, feck the key workers....
Not only does Italy have a higher death rate, the death rate per capita is higher. Belgiums is over 50% higher than ours. In the early months comparisons were being made between Germany and the UK. If I remember correctly, it was suggested the lower number of deaths to infection ratio was due to Germanys health systems handing of the crisis. As I understand it, the main reason for the comparatively low number of deaths was due to a younger demographic making up the majority of those infected. In the UK the death rate was aided by a calamitous decision to send untested patients back into care homes, by the UK Government during a pandemic resulting in a tsunami of infections and death.
One important lesson I've learned during all this, is that sets of statistics taken in isolation, do not tell the entire story.
Yup. Lockdown was meant to be for 3 weeks. It’s gone on too long, the virus is here so we just have to live with it.
I think the UK's response has generally been poor throughout the pandemic. That said, I don't think it's an outlier in Europe or anything - its outcomes are broadly similar to most other large European countries. It's on the worse end of the spectrum, but it isn't some wild exception in the data.
I'd love to see the overlap between people who have spent decades shitting on mental health as made up suddenly are those who are suddenly very concerned about mental health now they have to wank and watch Netflix all day.
Christ.
I'm curious, what exactly do you think happens here in Ireland with the HSE if we just "live with it"?
Ignoring it isnt living with it. Its ignoring it.
This is what living with it looks like
Look - You staying vigilant to the guidelines is doing jack shit, the sooner you realise this the better for your own sanity. 8 months i have been hidden away from people i would love to see. Nobody else is sticking to the guidelines, so why should you? go out, see your family, just be sensible and keep a good distance. Its highly probably that you are not going to infect anybody. I would stake my mortgage on it. Even less probable that you are actually going to kill somebody.
8 months of my life i have been tucked away, ''saving lives'' apparently. Shit I'm a hero. Oh no.... wait a minute. I wasn't going to kill anybody anyway.
How many of you do-gooders went out for a meal during the eat out to help out month? If you did then you are completely hypocritical arguing against someone popping round their mams for a brew.
Just because Boris said you can doesn't make it right, much the same, when Boris says you can't, doesn't mean its wrong!
Whats the point in following the guidelines regarding seeing people when at a guess 50% of the people in the UK are not doing?
Christ, you're insufferable.
As aggravating as lockdowns are, it's made worse when you see someone who is lucky enough to be in a much more fortunate position than large swathes of the population whine because he is expected to follow the same rules as everyone else, seemingly unconcerned that not doing so will directly harm those around him.
Added to that, you claim we're no closer to a resolution even as vaccines are being delivered to people, you claim lockdowns don't work even as you fail to understand what they're supposed to achieve and you put forward a POV so obnoxious that it has prompted one of Redcafe's least intelligent posters to agree with you. None of that makes you look good.
I get that it's a strain (because it's a strain we're all going through), I get that there are mental health issues to consider (because guess what, a lot of us are going through those too) and I get that circumstances for you are tough (even as they're much tougher for many others who continue to show due care for those around them). None of that entitles people to act like selfish prats with little intelligence or self-awareness though. Your posts make you sound like an immature child.
It’s insane. They don’t care at this point. There are so many videos that show the full extent.
It will be the 20 year olds who can't find work again and pay the national debt for the rest of their lives
I'd rather be locked up in a nice house with garden than at uni in what is essentially a large closet too.
Of course previous generations went off to die in war so I'm not saying it's "woe is the 20 year olds" but I feel for them. I feel for everyone.