Jog on. That’s the biggest pile of self indulgent, selfish turf waffle I’ve read all year. Now do one
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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We all have to choose our own moral code.
I'm not going to say you can't see your nan. You are right everyone is being the rules and everyone thinks that they are doing is right because other people are doing it to and worse.
I'd ask you to please avoid the house party piss ups. See your mum. See your mates outdoors. Have girlfriends round. But avoid the house parties.
No judgement here
Not demanding a full lockdown, but it may occur if people can’t act responsibly. It’s not out of the equation if people’s actions don’t have consequences. There’s steps to take before a full, true lockdown.
Christ almighty, what fecking blather.
It’s willful mental deficiency like this regarding the pandemic that will keep the tragedy ongoing.
I’m not in the UK nor am I from there, so the specifics you regale here aren’t germane to me. But, if I had lived there, in no way would I have gone out during that time. Any person with a modicum of common sense would have sensed that it was a horrible idea, the eat out campaign. Trying to back engineer blame on the government for a person’s lack of using common sense is comically tragic.
But some people have shown they can’t take responsibility on numerous occasions. And those who can take responsibility can only do so much to effect the impact of others. So what do the Government do? They continue to tell people to use common sense. They are the only ones who can influence the behaviour of the masses with the decisions they make and they have continually shirked their responsibility to do that and made policy decisions that have continued to exacerbate the issues.
If you had a child who kept stabbing themselves with scissors would you keep giving them scissors?
Well, I hope for your sake you don't kill your mum, but it's incredibly selfish of you to seemingly be wanting to try.
That’s somewhat puerile to think that only governments can influence behavior of the masses. It’s a convenient excuse or rationalization to back engineer to limit ones own responsibility or culpability.
It’s not as though virtually every person on this planet doesn’t understand the issues pertaining to this pandemic. This isn’t 1918 with the flu. The world is far more connected with instantaneous information at our fingertips. If anything, governments are not listened to by the populace when they are trying to assist the public, but will be castigated when the public feels encumbered by what the government tries to do.
And, to think that any government could & would have played the cards totally perfect in this pandemic is also utterly laughable. It’s where the governments fail that the common sense of the populace needs to pick up the slack.
Edit - posted this earlier. I am curious as to how someone like yourself would shoehorn in governmental fault here & absolve this poor, obviously put-upon couple...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-United-fight-complete-chaos-passengers.html
Sure, it’s anecdotal, but exemplary of the problem we face.
Well if anything, this thread has certainly weeded out a few selfish, mindless, simpletons....
Definite illumination of the like minded.
To be fair to SiRed, I think he's right to be fed up. I don't agree with him at all but it's a sentiment that's running wild now.
I'm wondering where the actual government support will begin for those who don't fit their bracket of home-owning, full-time employed folk. It feels like all talk about the mental health implications - of which a lot of precarious members of society will be suffering from - have gone unmentioned for ages.
I work in this area myself and there's this desperate sense of it all; almost like the experts aren't convinced anymore by the short-term suggestions we were given. Likewise, the training scheme they talked about to get people who've been made redundant/graduates into different areas.
It's very much got to a point where people are being asked to fend for themselves. Some will be responsible; others won't or will do it with bitterness.
Noodle touches on this regularly.
I'm wondering where the actual government support will begin for those who don't fit their bracket of home-owning, full-time employed folk. It feels like all talk about the mental health implications - of which a lot of precarious members of society will be suffering from - have gone unmentioned for ages.
I work in this area myself and there's this desperate sense of it all; almost like the experts aren't convinced anymore by the short-term suggestions we were given. Likewise, the training scheme they talked about to get people who've been made redundant/graduates into different areas.
It's very much got to a point where people are being asked to fend for themselves. Some will be responsible; others won't or will do it with bitterness.
Noodle touches on this regularly.
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So you don't bother to visit your mum or brothers during June, July, August and September when it was relatively safe and there were no restrictions to stop you from doing so.. You then decide to do so when there are restrictions and it is not safe to do so. I'm beginning to get this. I thought you were an idiot when all along its obviously just a cunning plan to kill your mum & siblings so that you end up with a tidy inheritance. Enjoy your winnings!
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This whole year has made me wish I could flood the gene pool with chlorine
I see that the myth that ‘lockdowns don’t work’ has well and truly hit the main stream.
I’m sorry mate but it’s a false equivalency. My 27 year old self & my 25 year old girlfriend going to our 20-something year old mates is not going to kill anyone. I’m hardly going into an old folks home coughing on everyone am I?
I understand the risks, I wear the masks, I do the social distancing, I even wear gloves when I shop just in case I’m asymptomatic because I know others will be touching the same trollies/baskets, trust me, I care, but it’s unreasonable to expect people to sit in their house over Christmas whilst encouraging them to go to work in packed offices. Have you seen the trams? Packed, yet that’s ok but I can’t see my friends? Sounds like bullshit to me.
Thing is, the expert advice various governments were given at the start of the crisis underlined the fact that how governments acted and communicated with the public would directly impact adherence to whatever measures they put in place. As one group of academics and public health experts stated at the time of the Cummings incident, "there is ample evidence that effective epidemic control requires the public to trust and respect both the messages and the messengers who are advocating action". In other words this isn't opinion, it's an evidence-based description of how effective management of a pandemic works.
Obviously that doesn't remove one's own personal accountability but it also doesn't absolve governments of blame when they do things that inevitably reduce compliance on a large scale. Obviously no government will have performed perfectly, but it's not unreasonable to expect your government to perform adequately relative to those around them. It's easy to say "common sense" should pick up the slack but that's not how it actually works, as the government's own science advisors would tell them.
I don't think anyone is saying he's wrong to be fed up, or that he'd be wrong to talk about those issues if he wanted to talk about them. You'd be hard pushed to find many defenders of the government in here.
But people are obviously going to prickle at the suggestion that he's somehow absolved of his own responsibility, or be annoyed that people acting as selfishly as him are prolonging the restrictions we all face.
No, but you might go home to your parents or see your grandparents, or your mates might do the same thing. Maybe they have elderly people in their bubble, or maybe you do and shockingly, when you've all been stupid enough to infect each other you're significantly increasing the chance you are going to kill someone.
It's hardly the abstract absurdity you're pretending it is.
Shutting up sharpish here in Ireland now.
They must be seriously freaked by the cases. Couldn't even wait until like the 28th or anything
They must be seriously freaked by the cases. Couldn't even wait until like the 28th or anything
Look that’s a more reasoned post than saying “feck it I’m not wasting my 20s I’m having house parties”
and what about when they go and see a different mate who then DOES go to see his gran in a nursing home, its not just about you, or your mate decides not to be as considerate as you when he goes shopping etc? We all get it, it sucks, its hard, and not getting any easier in the short term, but it WILL get easier, and will get easier a lot quicker if more people follow the guidelines. There will always be assholes, thats life, and also, big difference in going to see your mum for a bit and behaving sensibly and "house piss ups"
Differing opinions will not be tolerated. Agree or be ridiculed. Because that tactic always works..
People will happily lock down for as long as the government tells them to, while still packing out trams & workplaces. We’re going round in circles.
Continue to go to work & be around hundreds of people you don’t know, some using packed public transport? Yes that’s fine. But dare go to see your mates or parents? No, you evil monster, you’re basically a murderer.
My mum works in a GP surgery and just messaged to say a healthy 28 year old died from the new strain. So that’s terrifying.
Differing opinions will not be tolerated. Agree or be ridiculed. Because that tactic always works..
People will happily lock down for as long as the government tells them to, while still packing out trams & workplaces. We’re going round in circles.
Continue to go to work & be around hundreds of people you don’t know, some using packed public transport? Yes that’s fine. But dare go to see your mates or parents? No, you evil monster, you’re basically a murderer.
The problem with this is obviously we would prefer not to be on teams and in the office but this is actually impossible to stop.
But what we’re doing isn’t working and the only people with the power to influence entire nations are those in charge. What are you doing to influence what other people are doing? Very little, because you can’t.
I’m curious to understand how people like yourself can blame the general public for our Government threatening to sue schools for suggesting kids don’t come in a few days before that same Government told everyone living in that area that they should all behave like they already have the virus.
Are a lot of people dicks? Yes. What is our Government’s response to that? To continue allowing them to behave like dicks.
There’s a vast fecking ocean between playing it perfectly and actively making matters worse.
It wasn't safe then either to be fair, not for society anyway. I've seen a few people say this logic as if having lots of social contact and causing the second wave is fine because it was legal but doing the same thing later is unconscionable because its not.
Which is exactly why the government is responsible for it's messaging because they led people to believe it was fine as long as it wasn't breaking restrictions. It was always going to yo yo with that.
In terms of infection rates it was certainly a lot safer then than it is now.
Differing opinions will not be tolerated. Agree or be ridiculed. Because that tactic always works..
People will happily lock down for as long as the government tells them to, while still packing out trams & workplaces. We’re going round in circles.
Continue to go to work & be around hundreds of people you don’t know, some using packed public transport? Yes that’s fine. But dare go to see your mates or parents? No, you evil monster, you’re basically a murderer.
Reading between the lines, I do think it's crass the government haven't done more to pressure businesses to change certain protocols. Say, via pushing staggered work times rather than packing public transport so people get to work at precisely the same time they always have (e.g., 9am).
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Hopefully other nations will realise they jumped the gun and just copied each other like morons.
I imagine they won't as countries like India and co are proud and would more likely double down than admit they just shit the bed and wanted to be seen to do something
Depends what you've been doing really as to how much the risk varies. Anyone having a house party at any point since March is a feckless idiot in my book.
LOOOL I still can't believe non eu countries did this. The bans will be lifted im sure once they run their course.
Will it? Every time good news seems to come (vaccines) bad news seems to follow (new variant).
From my perspective i have no problem with nessesery issues (if hard evidence is provided that is needed). My bugbear is the unnecessary cherry's on top, me and a friend play tennis once a week, exactly why can't we do that in lockdown? Is there any evidence we're at risk of even passing it on to eachother, let alone causing an outbreak?
That is pure whataboutery though.Differing opinions will not be tolerated. Agree or be ridiculed. Because that tactic always works..
People will happily lock down for as long as the government tells them to, while still packing out trams & workplaces. We’re going round in circles.
Continue to go to work & be around hundreds of people you don’t know, some using packed public transport? Yes that’s fine. But dare go to see your mates or parents? No, you evil monster, you’re basically a murderer.
"Yeah sure I'm breaking the rules but what about the schools, what about public transport, what about bla bla"
There's no one size fits all solution. Just because one area is causing problems doesn't mean you should then decide it's ok for you to flout restrictions and potentially cause problems too. if one thing has been abundantly clear through the last year is that there's no easy solution to Covid and everyone should play their part.
Restrictions on civil liberties were much harsher during WW2. Blackouts and curfews with much harsher penalties for transgressors.People had to tough this out for nearly 6 years. Rationing went on until into the 1950's. In 9 months we have lost nearly as many people to covid as we did in civilian deaths during the entirety of WW2. No mobile phones no internet. But then they did have telegrams. 384,000 arrived delivering the worst news imaginable. I know some people have had it very tough but some of the people, a minority, just come across as winy, entitled little brats. On a personal note I retired from work in October also a milestone birthday. All the lovely things we had been planning for 12 months down the toilet. A once in a lifetime celebration gone forever? No, just postponed. If I'm lucky I've got 10 or so years on the clock, who knows. 2 years to get things back to normal is a substantial chunk of my time left. Whats 2 years to a fit and healthy 20 year old? So I'm disappointed that my things haven't worked as planned but my disappointment is nothing compared to the suffering others have had to endure.
I agree with you Roger. I'm 62, but I count myself lucky compared to a couple of my friends who are already in their 80s. And wouldn't you know, they're not complaining, they're just doing what they've been asked to do.
Such bandwagon jumping, it's unreal the damage it caused.
I can only blame Boris for this and his stupid desire to not admit he screwed up by promising a normal Christmas
No, but plenty of people under 60 need to be admitted to hospitals who aren't at risk of dying from Covid but do need medical care., taking up bed space and resources from those who really need it. Then you have the huge numbers of medical staff who have to self-isolate and are unable to work because a virus is running rampant due to the carelessness of large amounts of the population. This is first and foremost a health crisis - fix that and the rest looks after itself.
I was talking more about his comments about having piss-ups and mixing inside. Obviously what you're describing is different and I have no real opinion on that as I don't know the evidence.
Boris Johnson has to be the most brazen liar they have produced to be PM.
Ours politicians are annoying but this man is infuriating.
