SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Brwned said:
100%. A ski trip really puzzles me but opening the ski resorts also really puzzles me. What were they thinking? We know what happened just 9 months ago and we know how they operate...how could that ever be an ok thing to do? The thing about the ski trips last year was that people left in a mad scramble last time and those clusters exploded. It's absolutely mad to me that exactly the same thing happened this time, and it was exclusively UK folks. The only distinction so far is that we know there were some cases in the Austrian slopes last time, this time we just have to hope that we got lucky with the Swiss slopes. Otherwise it could be carnage. And if that happens, they should be held accountable in a serious way IMO.
Click to expand...
We’re on the same page
 
Stanley Road said:
Young girl on the news a day or two ago wasnt wearing a mask out shopping, the reporter asked if was concerned about catching covid.

'Not really, I'm young so it won't really affect me'

How i hope she gets it and suffers badly.
Click to expand...
Right there with you.

Willfully ignorant decisions have consequences.

It probably won’t be her that suffers, but a beloved member of her family. Hope that family member’s death devastates this idiot.
 
Stanley Road said:
Young girl on the news a day or two ago wasnt wearing a mask out shopping, the reporter asked if was concerned about catching covid.

'Not really, I'm young so it won't really affect me'

How i hope she gets it and suffers badly.
Click to expand...
calodo2003 said:
Right there with you.

Willfully ignorant decisions have consequences.

It probably won’t be her that suffers, but a beloved member of her family. Hope that family member’s death devastates this idiot.
Click to expand...

I ger the anger, i really do. I am to angry at people downplaying this whole thing and not understanding that what they do might affect others, but to wish for someone to get very sick or even hope for someone to be devastated for their (innocent) family members death, thats just wrong imo.

Maybe im soft, but since youre wishing for things cant you wish for her to wisen up and act better in the future without something horrible to happen.
 
Stack said:
Could these new figures be partly a function of the new more contagious strain, rather than just selfishness etc?
Click to expand...
Some, but it can only be more contagious when it passes from one person to another.

So, it’s the contagion rate & government now, not selfish behavior?
 
Brwned said:
100%. A ski trip really puzzles me but opening the ski resorts also really puzzles me. What were they thinking? We know what happened just 9 months ago and we know how they operate...how could that ever be an ok thing to do? The thing about the ski trips last year was that people left in a mad scramble last time and those clusters exploded. It's absolutely mad to me that exactly the same thing happened this time, and it was exclusively UK folks. The only distinction so far is that we know there were some cases in the Austrian slopes last time, this time we just have to hope that we got lucky with the Swiss slopes. Otherwise it could be carnage. And if that happens, they should be held accountable in a serious way IMO.
Click to expand...

I understand it tbh. These mountain villages are in the middle of nowhere and rely 100% on tourism for their economy. There is literally nothing else. Unless the government is able to prop them up entirely, they need to be open to some degree.

In Switzerland they have been fairly careful with the regulations in my experience. Austria on the other hand actively lied and covered up their failings.
 
BootsyCollins said:
I ger the anger, i really do. I am to angry at people downplaying this whole thing and not understanding that what they do might affect others, but to wish for someone to get very sick or even hope for someone to be devastated for their (innocent) family members death, thats just wrong imo.

Maybe im soft, but since youre wishing for things cant you wish for her to wisen up and act better in the future without something horrible to happen.
Click to expand...
I certainly would if I could ascertain any semblance of altruism on the young lady’s part.

Unfortunately, it will most likely need to be tragedy that wises this woman up.

I live in the states where willful m, aggressive ignorance & adherence to fairytales & alternative facts is systemic in multiple tens of millions of citizens here. There’s no real hope of them seeing the light unless tragedy strikes them.

Decisions have consequences. We can’t keep blaming governments, new strains, etc. & we need to focus on those who are responsible for the continued spread.
 
calodo2003 said:
Right there with you.

Willfully ignorant decisions have consequences.

It probably won’t be her that suffers, but a beloved member of her family. Hope that family member’s death devastates this idiot.
Click to expand...

An ignorant teen is one thing.

But a (presumably) adult..ie you wishing death on her family?
That's ever so slightly sick
 
calodo2003 said:
Some, but it can only be more contagious when it passes from one person to another.

So, it’s the contagion rate & government now, not selfish behavior?
Click to expand...
No but when something becomes even more contagious its just that bit easier to slip past people if they make slight mistakes. There are selfish people out there and there have been Govt mistakes but there are also a lot of people trying to do the right thing. It only takes a small number of selfish people during something very contagious to impact a lot of people trying to do the right thing. I just dont believe the narrative that its a simple case of the majority of a population being jerks.
 
Sandikan said:
An ignorant teen is one thing.

But a (presumably) adult..ie you wishing death on her family?
That's ever so slightly sick
Click to expand...
Decisions have consequences.

But, by all means, find absolvement for this poor, put upon young lady.
 
Wibble said:
Hard not to when most governments have been so incompetent and provided so little leadership.
Click to expand...
So you think people are the innocent victims of inept governments & don’t hold any culpability here?

This is such a childish statement. It’s not as though 99% of the population of this earth doesn’t know the consequences of this pandemic. It’s also not as though 100% of governments haven’t discussed this with their populace.

We’ve never experienced a pandemic like this in modern times where the ability to educate ourselves is instantaneous.

It’s not governments that are spreading the virus, it’s people. Granted, most governments haven't employed strict enough measures to stem the tide, but there needed to be willing buy in by the populace to stem the tide in the absence of draconian shut downs.

This is where the populace in most countries failed their governments. It’s puerile now to solely blame governments. That horse has left the barn. Blame needs to be apportioned to the populace lest we might have to see draconian shut down measures soon.
 
Stack said:
No but when something becomes even more contagious its just that bit easier to slip past people if they make slight mistakes. There are selfish people out there and there have been Govt mistakes but there are also a lot of people trying to do the right thing. It only takes a small number of selfish people during something very contagious to impact a lot of people trying to do the right thing. I just dont believe the narrative that its a simple case of the majority of a population being jerks.
Click to expand...
Never said there was a majority of jerks out there. Vast swaths of people are doing the right things. But that was never going to be enough. There needs to be consequences for those who are obviously & willfully spreading the virus.
 
Carolina Red said:
My wife got her first dose of the vaccine today. Can’t tell you how proud I am of her and what she’s done this year. Hopefully this will keep her safe.
Click to expand...
Bravo to her. She’s one of the true heroes.

What a shitshow South Carolina is. If only the government had been better...
 
BootsyCollins said:
I ger the anger, i really do. I am to angry at people downplaying this whole thing and not understanding that what they do might affect others, but to wish for someone to get very sick or even hope for someone to be devastated for their (innocent) family members death, thats just wrong imo.

Maybe im soft, but since youre wishing for things cant you wish for her to wisen up and act better in the future without something horrible to happen.
Click to expand...

You are just a sane-minded person.

Only ill-intentioned and unhealthy people blessed with hatred can wish the death of these people who just want to live...
 
Ecstatic said:
You are just a sane-minded person.

Only ill-intentioned and unhealthy people blessed with hatred can wish the death of these people who just want to live...
Click to expand...
But no consequences nor criticisms should befall those who willfully disregard common sense regarding the virus? These people ‘who just want to live’ should be absolved from any responsibility?

What a viewpoint.
 
calodo2003 said:
But no consequences nor criticisms should befall those who willfully disregard common sense regarding the virus? These people ‘who just want to live’ should be absolved from any responsibility?

What a viewpoint.
Click to expand...
Wishing someone's family memher to die isn't a criticism. If you're having a bad day at home then this isn't the topic to vent out your feelings.


Modmin really need to crack down on idiots wishing other people ill health or death just because they don't wear a mask or say something stupid. @Damien are you telling me that on this forum the F word isn't okay to use but people can get away with such comments ? Can we have a warning or something in here because this is a topic getting filled with smart arses who wish other people death.
 
calodo2003 said:
But no consequences nor criticisms should befall those who willfully disregard common sense regarding the virus? These people ‘who just want to live’ should be absolved from any responsibility?

What a viewpoint.
Click to expand...
Of course they're responsible for their actions, but it's nothing new. Some people are always "me first" and others are altruistic.

edit - and @Relevated's right, let's not have anymore of the "I hope she or he dies." No-one here actually wants anyone to die, even though it's so frustrating to see people being ignorant and careless. You can't rely on people doing the right thing of their own free will.
 
Ecstatic said:
You are just a sane-minded person.

Only ill-intentioned and unhealthy people blessed with hatred can wish the death of these people who just want to live...
Click to expand...
I agree with that, but the woman in question dont ”just want to live”. She is helping increasing the risk of spreading a horrible disease.

So i really get the anger directed at her, and people who act like her. I feel there should be actions against people like that, i just felt that wishing sickness and death upon a her was a bit over the top.

After some thought I am pretty sure that if i myself had a family member or friend who died from this, i would in anger wished for very bad things to happen to people like her.
So i will be cautios in the future ”jugding” others reaction to things like this.
 
Penna said:
Of course they're responsible for their actions, but it's nothing new. Some people are always "me first" and others are altruistic.
Click to expand...
And it’s this crux where we are finding the virus becoming even more horrible.
 
Carolina Red said:
My wife got her first dose of the vaccine today. Can’t tell you how proud I am of her and what she’s done this year. Hopefully this will keep her safe.
Click to expand...
Great stuff man, your wife and her colleagues around the world are doing invaluable work.
 
Relevated said:
Wishing someone's family memher to die isn't a criticism. If you're having a bad day at home then this isn't the topic to vent out your feelings.


Modmin really need to crack down on idiots wishing other people ill health or death just because they don't wear a mask or say something stupid. @Damien are you telling me that on this forum the F word isn't okay to use but people can get away with such comments ? Can we have a warning or something in here because this is a topic getting filled with smart arses who wish other people death.
Click to expand...
Never wished for her family member’s death, didn’t call for it. Just brought up that something that tragic might have to be what makes that young lady wise up.

Let’s not try to twist it here.
 
Sandikan said:
An ignorant teen is one thing.

But a (presumably) adult..ie you wishing death on her family?
That's ever so slightly sick
Click to expand...
Ecstatic said:
You are just a sane-minded person.

Only ill-intentioned and unhealthy people blessed with hatred can wish the death of these people who just want to live...
Click to expand...
Relevated said:
Wishing someone's family memher to die isn't a criticism. If you're having a bad day at home then this isn't the topic to vent out your feelings.


Modmin really need to crack down on idiots wishing other people ill health or death just because they don't wear a mask or say something stupid. @Damien are you telling me that on this forum the F word isn't okay to use but people can get away with such comments ? Can we have a warning or something in here because this is a topic getting filled with smart arses who wish other people death.
Click to expand...

He didn’t wish death on her family you prats
 
He didn't wish her death or any physical harm at all, he said that her carelessness might get her family members sick, and then if it does he hopes she feels awful.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
Click to expand...

It's such a terrible waste of money. The staffing issue was always going to be a problem, and even though they invited retired clinicians to come back to work (and many thousands responded), that was stymied by the delays in processing the applications. My friend's husband is a recently-retired senior GP with several specialisms and he volunteered immediately - months later, he was still waiting to actually be called into work.

On top of that, I assume the NHS has lost clinicians because of Brexit uncertainties.
 
calodo2003 said:
But no consequences nor criticisms should befall those who willfully disregard common sense regarding the virus? These people ‘who just want to live’ should be absolved from any responsibility?

What a viewpoint.
Click to expand...

BootsyCollins said:
I agree with that, but the woman in question dont ”just want to live”. She is helping increasing the risk of spreading a horrible disease.

So i really get the anger directed at her, and people who act like her. I feel there should be actions against people like that, i just felt that wishing sickness and death upon a her was a bit over the top.

After some thought I am pretty sure that if i myself had a family member or friend who died from this, i would in anger wished for very bad things to happen to people like her.
So i will be cautios in the future ”jugding” others reaction to things like this.
Click to expand...

As far as I'm concerned, I just accept the world as it is.

Some follow the guidelines and others are selfish/risk-taker but we are ultimately all victims of the pandemic. I can understand why people argue about mental health, economic survival, individual freedoms etc.

The solution is not to blame each other but to have a strengthened healthcare system with efficient remedies and public policies.
 
calodo2003 said:
So you think people are the innocent victims of inept governments & don’t hold any culpability here?
Click to expand...

Of course not but governments are there to govern and lead. When they lead with confusing incompetence it is no wonder that a proportion of the population are a confused or stop listening.

This is such a childish statement. It’s not as though 99% of the population of this earth doesn’t know the consequences of this pandemic. It’s also not as though 100% of governments haven’t discussed this with their populace.
Click to expand...

Suggesting that are leaders should lead is childish? Really?

If information was all that was required we wouldn't need government at all. We need government most in exceptional circumstances especially when people need to be protected from themselves. This is one such circumstance and where governments have taken strong decisive action and communicated it clearly the outcomes have been far better than in countries like the US and UK where the government responses have been largely incompetent and confusing.

We’ve never experienced a pandemic like this in modern times where the ability to educate ourselves is instantaneous.
Click to expand...

Information doesn't always lead to learning. That is why we can't replace teachers with Wikipedia.

It’s not governments that are spreading the virus, it’s people. Granted, most governments haven't employed strict enough measures to stem the tide, but there needed to be willing buy in by the populace to stem the tide in the absence of draconian shut downs.
Click to expand...

Hard to know what to buy in to where the government is so confused themselves.

This is where the populace in most countries failed their governments. It’s puerile now to solely blame governments. That horse has left the barn. Blame needs to be apportioned to the populace lest we might have to see draconian shut down measures soon.
Click to expand...

Of course people should take individual responsibility but our governments are there is protect us and in the UK and US they have exacerbated the problems whereas they should be helping people to comply.
 
Wibble said:
Of course not but governments are there to govern and lead. When they lead with confusing incompetence it is no wonder that a proportion of the population are a confused or stop listening.



Suggesting that are leaders should lead is childish? Really?

If information was all that was required we wouldn't need government at all. We need government most in exceptional circumstances especially when people need to be protected from themselves. This is one such circumstance and where governments have taken strong decisive action and communicated it clearly the outcomes have been far better than in countries like the US and UK where the government responses have been largely incompetent and confusing.



Information doesn't always lead to learning. That is why we can't replace teachers with Wikipedia.



Hard to know what to buy in to where the government is so confused themselves.



Of course people should take individual responsibility but our governments are there is protect us and in the UK and US they have exacerbated the problems whereas they should be helping people to comply.
Click to expand...
Appreciate the reply, but not levying rightful blame on those who are actually spreading the virus completely misses the point.

Many governments have shied away from true lockdowns. Looking back, these draconian steps should have been enforced in the vast majority of countries, especially our two. The challenge there is that the populace would blame the governments for such stringent methods & potentially uprise which would have caused its own set of problems.

So, you’re saying that even though 99% of the world’s population who are aware of Covid & its challenges still shouldn’t be held to account for the exponential spread of the virus? That it’s governments that should shoulder the majority of the blame? Even when irrefutable evidence of the damage the virus causes is potentially broadcast to people every minute? If so, that’s where my ‘childish’ statement enters. To believe that fairytale borders on abject delusion.

In my opinion, there’s probably two paths to lessen the chaos of the virus before the vaccines really take positive effect (if they ever fully do) - either the death of people who disregard the mountain of evidence foisted upon them minute but minute & change their behaviors or governments truly lock down societies. Which one would you prefer? Which one would ultimately be easier & less damaging to enact?

You rightly brought up that it’s hard for the populace to know what to do when governments dither. But, shouldn’t those with a modicum of common sense already realize the dangers when the vast majority of them already castigate the government for virtually everything & don’t pay positive attention to their government the vast majority of times? You can’t have it both ways. Government can’t be discounted constantly, then blamed for its populace not listening to it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.