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[africanspur]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55475723

Ryanair and Wizz Air deny votes to UK investors after EU exit

'Sovereignty' comes at a cost. When you're the smaller market, you're going to find yourself dictated to more often than you might think.

 

[Jippy]

Never knew ‘gammon’ is another name for a cured ham. I totally get why ‘gammon’ is used now. It’s always fun learning something new!

I also now know we have tens of millions of gammons in my country.

 

[FireballXL5]

First it was eels...

Brexit: UK sausage makers face EU export ban

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55479354

 

[MoskvaRed]

First it was eels...

Brexit: UK sausage makers face EU export ban

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55479354

It goes from bad to wurst.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

These people don't understand one of the most important factors in trade is geography.
"Global market"...you feel these people still live under an imperialist rock.

Some of them probably thought they could sell their wares over the interweb cables.

 

[Kentonio]

In France business owners have increased their support to Marine Le Pen during the previous elections. The woman is completely illiterate when it comes to the economy or her understanding of trades national and international. That tells me that many business owners are probably complete morons and entirely rely on underpaid subalterns.

There’s no reason why someone who is particularly good at making and selling pies should be particularly smart or knowledgable about international trade. People still have an annoying tendency to assume that an ability to make money equals intelligence.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

These people don't understand one of the most important factors in trade is geography.
"Global market"...you feel these people still live under an imperialist rock.

Quite right.

There is another point that nobody seems to have picked up on though.
Scenario 1. The UK is in the EU - he can sell his products all over the world but if he sells to the EU he doesn't have all this red tape and his EU customers can buy from him easily.
Scenario 2. The UK isn't in the EU - he can sell his products all over the world but all of his customers have the red tape to deal with and will buy where it's easier to buy.

It makes zero sense. How is this possible , how can millions of people be this stupid?

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

 

[JPRouve]

There’s no reason why someone who is particularly good at making and selling pies should be particularly smart or knowledgable about international trade. People still have an annoying tendency to assume that an ability to make money equals intelligence.

You are right but I was thinking about larger structures and pretending to be diplomatic.

 

[Balljy]

These people don't understand one of the most important factors in trade is geography.
"Global market"...you feel these people still live under an imperialist rock.

I had a call earlier from our MD. We're going to setup an EU office to make our businesses easier to support in countries we already have customers in but were previously handled by the UK. This will be a nominal office by the sounds of it and from a UK point of view will do nothing apart from divert taxes to another country and lose money...

 

[NinjaFletch]

Keir Starmer is so conservative (small c) he makes Blair look like a bastion of progressiveness.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Mention of Starmer only makes me think of:


Starmer’s six tests for the Brexit deal are:

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

No.2 was always moronic but can't really give him more than zero out of six.

 

[Balljy]

Mention of Starmer only makes me think of:


Starmer’s six tests for the Brexit deal are:

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

No.2 was always moronic but can't really give him more than zero out of six.

Point 2 on its own was out of the question if we left. My problem is with point 4, as that's where we are going to have issues over the next few years.

I do understand his point of view in voting for it now because going WTO would be a bigger risk than the deal shown.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Point 2 on its own was out of the question if we left. My problem is with point 4, as that's where we are going to have issues over the next few years.

I do understand his point of view in voting for it now because going WTO would be a bigger risk than the deal shown.

Yes WTO would be complete disaster now for the UK - but back then really Labour should have been far more resilient to the Tories but Corbyn and Starmer came across as Brexiters anyway , while Theresa May was more of a Remainer, ironic really.

 

[Balljy]

Yes WTO would be complete disaster now for the UK - but back then really Labour should have been far more resilient to the Tories but Corbyn and Starmer came across as Brexiters anyway , while Theresa May was more of a Remainer, ironic really.

I don't think Starmer is or was a Brexiter (whereas Corbyn couldn't get his point across at all really). He's actually decent in my opinion and pro-EU, but his lawyer background doesn't help sometimes as he can come across as middle ground very easily. At least he's got some intelligence and knowledge of the world unlike some recent leaders.

 

[Jippy]

I don't think Starmer is or was a Brexiter (whereas Corbyn couldn't get his point across at all really). He's actually decent in my opinion and pro-EU, but his lawyer background doesn't help sometimes as he can come across as middle ground very easily. At least he's got some intelligence and knowledge of the world unlike some recent leaders.

Starmer has, disappointingly, minimal charisma, has been unable to get a grip on the divides in his own party and seems to struggle to know when to support the government and when to attack. He's been underwhelming tbh, plus he always looks slightly surprised and confused.
He has inherited a shitty hand, but it really does feel now that the Tories could steal the nation's first borns and still get 40% of the vote.

 

[golden_blunder]

It goes from bad to wurst.

 

[kidbob]

Can anyone up to date inform me as to what this means for Northern Ireland and the border in general terms?

 

[UweBein]

When the reality of the deal sinks in, the Brexiters will be the first to campaign to rejoin.

No way... they will be more than happy with the 350 mil per week the NHS will benefit from.

 

[The Firestarter]

To be honest I don't really get the schadenfreude... as remain we failed to get our message over to enough people like him and to be honest I'd rather not point a finger and say I told you so but actually engage with them and get them to see the sense in rejoining sooner rather than later

Rejoining . You must be re-joking. No one is letting this country back in the EU in the next 50 years.

 

[Lentwood]

To be honest I don't really get the schadenfreude... as remain we failed to get our message over to enough people like him and to be honest I'd rather not point a finger and say I told you so but actually engage with them and get them to see the sense in rejoining sooner rather than later

He won, he needs to get over it

What sickens me is he will have undoubtedly influenced 20+ people to vote Leave with his b***sh*t bravado. Deserves everything that comes to him

 

[tombombadil]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/u...ivalence-financial-services-eu-104003500.html

UK banking stocks tumbled on Tuesday, as alarm grew over the future of financial services in Britain in the wake of its Brexit trade deal.

Leading banks made up four of the five biggest fallers on the FTSE 100 (^FTSE) on the first day of trading since the UK and the EU unveiled their agreement on 24 December.

 

[Wibble]

I'm not sure there's a good understanding among posters yet about what's in the deal. The IPPR initial analysis is worth reading: https://www.ippr.org/files/2020-12/agreement-on-future-relationship-ippr-assessment-f.pdf

The section on the 'level playing field' is on pages 7-9. They seem to think it's quite weak. In brief:

Hardly a sunrise given Tory attitudes to workers rights and the environment.

 

[Wibble]

You'd really wonder how someone who owns a successful business that exports all of its product to the EU could decide that voting for Brexit was a good idea. What a fecking tit.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

 

[Dan_F]

Starmer has, disappointingly, minimal charisma, has been unable to get a grip on the divides in his own party and seems to struggle to know when to support the government and when to attack. He's been underwhelming tbh, plus he always looks slightly surprised and confused.
He has inherited a shitty hand, but it really does feel now that the Tories could steal the nation's first borns and still get 40% of the vote.

My only hope is that by the time the next election comes round, leave voters will realise that Brexit hasn’t actually improved anything and we can have an election based on actual issues we face, rather than one side screaming about sovereignty or immigration to win it.

Saying that, I’m sure the right will find something else to use.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-55475433

Oopsie. Amateur hour

Tbf if Johnson had insisted on telegraph and pigeon post communications it would have seemed too obvious that the UK were progressing regressing to the 19th century.

 

[Jippy]

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I see no traps... that's why I'll seize our day of destiny, writes ANDREW BRIDGEN, Tory MP for North West Leicestershire

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-seize-day-destiny-writes-ANDREW-BRIDGEN.html

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I don't think Starmer is or was a Brexiter (whereas Corbyn couldn't get his point across at all really). He's actually decent in my opinion and pro-EU, but his lawyer background doesn't help sometimes as he can come across as middle ground very easily. At least he's got some intelligence and knowledge of the world unlike some recent leaders.

The deal was always going to pass anyway, every single Tory voted for it (edit: except 2 ERG abstainers I believe) so it didn't matter what the others did in respect of it going through.

The question now is, although people don't expect Brexit will be an issue at the next election which is in less than four years time, unless Labour get a charismatic leader to win the people over , they're not getting in at the next electon. Their only chance is a total complete failure of Brexit , which although highly likely, the current and recent Labour have not opposed it in any significant way in the time leading up to it and Starmer is part and parcel of that. Labour's mistake is not now, it's the past 5 years.

 

[George Owen]

EU and China agree new investment treaty

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-ties-with-investment-agreement-idUSKBN2941AP

Boris and Trump must be fuming

 

[FireballXL5]

This is going to come back and bite him on the arse...

Post-Brexit trade: UK having its cake and eating it, says Boris Johnson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55486081

 

[Paul the Wolf]

This is going to come back and bite him on the arse...

Post-Brexit trade: UK having its cake and eating it, says Boris Johnson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55486081

Presumably Brexiters will believe this pile of crap.

"But from the point of view of UK exporters, for instance, they'll now have the advantage, that they'll only have one set of forms they have to fill out for export to around the whole world. "

Just selecting this one point as the biggest load of b*ll*x ever, try filling out the forms to ship to Australia and send them to the EU
Additionally they didn't have to fill out any forms to export to the EU.


He really is a moron.

Another 28 hours and reality finally takes over.

 

[MoskvaRed]

This is going to come back and bite him on the arse...

Post-Brexit trade: UK having its cake and eating it, says Boris Johnson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55486081

Sadly Johnson seems to have a free pass to tell outrageous lies without consequences. And his supporters are hardly likely to find serious scrutiny of these new trading arrangements in The Sun, Mail, Express or Telegraph.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Sadly Johnson seems to have a free pass to tell outrageous lies without consequences. And his supporters are hardly likely to find serious scrutiny of these new trading arrangements in The Sun, Mail, Express or Telegraph.

He's got away with it so far because he could say anything and there were no consequences. Almost all of what he said was untrue but it doesn't matter whether the RW press scrutinise it, the reality will reveal the truth.

 

[calodo2003]

He's got away with it so far because he could say anything and there were no consequences. Almost all of what he said was untrue but it doesn't matter whether the RW press scrutinise it, the reality will reveal the truth.

Is there a belief in the UK that the media is very left wing, just like the lie that is constantly bandied about here in the states?

 

[Buster15]

This is going to come back and bite him on the arse...

Post-Brexit trade: UK having its cake and eating it, says Boris Johnson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55486081

Of all the rediculous and half-witted things that Boris has spouted, this is right up there.
It is beyond lying. And it is beyond contempt.
There is no basis at all for that statement. Apart from the fact that he is fundamentally and totally deluded.
Boris. Do yourself and everybody else a favour and shut your stupid mouth.

 

[MoskvaRed]

He's got away with it so far because he could say anything and there were no consequences. Almost all of what he said was untrue but it doesn't matter whether the RW press scrutinise it, the reality will reveal the truth.

I suspect he will depart before the next election anyway. Earning large fees for giving after dinner speeches or penning facetious newspaper columns is probably more fun than the reality of being “world king”. Some adult will need to deal with this mess.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Is there a belief in the UK that the media is very left wing, just like the lie that is constantly bandied about here in the states?

No it's very right wing, most of the major newspapers at best are moderately right wing and some extremely right wing.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Of all the rediculous and half-witted things that Boris has spouted, this is right up there.
It is beyond lying. And it is beyond contempt.
There is no basis at all for that statement. Apart from the fact that he is fundamentally and totally deluded.
Boris. Do yourself and everybody else a favour and shut your stupid mouth.

You could imagine him saying this at the beginning of the Leave campaign but now is beyond deluded just hours before the event. You can see the contempt he has for the electorate.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I suspect he will depart before the next election anyway. Earning large fees for giving after dinner speeches or penning facetious newspaper columns is probably more fun than the reality of being “world king”. Some adult will need to deal with this mess.

I think he'll be long gone before the next election, but dread who may replace him, the contenders are possibly even more hopeless.