SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Ref cv19 vaccines I thought usa had most capacity... then India then China

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They do but that will be various vaccines by different manufacturers and they won't necessarily be running at full capability. India will pick the cheapest one that works and just go for it full steam.
 
China has an incredibly compliant population ruled by fear, but they've cultivated this over years - it wouldn’t work in the UK or many countries for that matter.
They also locked them into the apartment blocks. People were basically imprisoned in their homes.
 
Ref cv19 vaccines I thought usa had most capacity... then India then China

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I'm not sure how they calculated the UK number there. I suspect there's some double counting (vaccine manufacture + finish/fill being quoted separately because they're by different companies perhaps?) and some 2021 optimism about new capacity in places like VMIC/Harwell.

Covid has massively accelerated some of the timelines. VMIC wasn't expected to ramp up to production capacity until 2022 (it got funding approval in 2019). It should get there in 21 now. Similarly new capacity and upgraded facilities are happening on other sites, liked Oxford and Livingstone - but the key word is happening, not happened.

At present there's no mRNA bulk capacity in the UK. Similar "you can't make it here" provisos apply to some other vaccine types as well. Plus, as usual, you need some specialised reagents and chemical components that are often made in a single plant in another country - or a single regional plant.

For a vaccine like Novavax, the adjuvant for the European sites is being made in Sweden. The main vaccine production site is in Czechoslovakia. Finish and fill in multiple countries including Spain and I believe (if we have capacity by then) the UK. A lot of vaccines have similar looking supply chains. I would guess India (and the USA of course) have all the factories for all the stages.

You can get a hint of some of the manufacturing upgrades underway at:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw20dz8O5pk49Z6hslnGKMYU
 
Made a U-Turn on London schools, closing all of them for 2 weeks it seems.

Clearly based on Science fecking clowns.
 

New variant over doubling it's proportion weekly in Denmark also. So will become dominant in 4-6 weeks. Would assume from this that France and Ireland have already much more of the variant than they think.

Europe will be fecked in March and April before weather and vaccines help.

Tweet is poorly worded. Means they have sequenced 11% of all the positive cases since November.
 

New variant over doubling it's proportion weekly in Denmark also. So will become dominant in 4-6 weeks. Would assume from this that France and Ireland have already much more of the variant than they think.

Europe will be fecked in March and April before weather and vaccines help.

Tweet is poorly worded. Means they have sequenced 11% of all the positive cases since November.


I’ve reached the point where I’m desperately hoping that Ireland has been overrun with this new variant for weeks (which seems to be likely) because if we’re getting the current explosion of cases before the new variant dominates then we’re absolutely screwed.
 
I’ve reached the point where I’m desperately hoping that Ireland has been overrun with this new variant for weeks (which seems to be likely) because if we’re getting the current explosion of cases before the new variant dominates then we’re absolutely screwed.
Irish officials just commented on Guardian that they believe 5-17% of cases are now new variant. Sounds about right. So will be dominant in 2-4 weeks. Unfortunately it will be only getting worse for you :( And there is back-log of 9.000 cases in Ireland and you will report over 3.000 today, according to Guardian.
 
Irish officials just commented on Guardian that they believe 5-17% of cases are now new variant. Sounds about right. So will be dominant in 2-4 weeks. Unfortunately it will be only getting worse for you :( And there is back-log of 9.000 cases in Ireland and you will report over 3.000 today, according to Guardian.

We’ve officially moved out of containment so have stopped testing close contacts. The case numbers are going to be a massive underestimation from now on. It’s the hospitalisation/ITU numbers I’ll be following closely and they’re increasing exponentially. It’s horrifying how fast this got away from us.
 
China has an incredibly compliant population ruled by fear, but they've cultivated this over years - it wouldn’t work in the UK or many countries for that matter.
I’d say fear is an exaggeration. They are compliant so long as they see the economic benefits. They are getting richer for themselves, their lifestyle is dramatically improving and many couldn’t care less about what happens at the top.
 
57725k cases in the UK and 445 deaths.

Germany vaccinated 130k as of 30th Dec, France just 138 people. Mainland Europe has a massive heads up to trace and vaccinate for around Mar/Apr when and if the new strain takes hold but it will be a battle of production and logistics.
 
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We’ve officially moved out of containment so have stopped testing close contacts. The case numbers are going to be a massive underestimation from now on. It’s the hospitalisation/ITU numbers I’ll be following closely and they’re increasing exponentially. It’s horrifying how fast this got away from us.
Yeah, it is more reliable but 2 weeks behind. Could look at combination of positivity rate and cases. I think you will have to be at level 4/5 until April. Just sad :(
 
UK records another 57,725 coronavirus cases in 24 hours - up from 53,285 yesterday

There have also been another 445 COVID-19 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, according to the latest government data.

This is down from 613 deaths recorded yesterday.
 
UK records another 57,725 coronavirus cases in 24 hours - up from 53,285 yesterday

There have also been another 445 COVID-19 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, according to the latest government data.

This is down from 613 deaths recorded yesterday.
That's with today being a Saturday and yesterday being a Bank Holiday. I think we'll see record numbers on Tuesday, unfortunately. It feels like a perfect storm brewing.
 
China has an incredibly compliant population ruled by fear, but they've cultivated this over years - it wouldn’t work in the UK or many countries for that matter.

It works least in the US (which would explain the high case numbers here) because people have been conditioned to be suspicious of government and concepts like freedom and liberty tend to creep into public policy - mainly by the right of course.
 
2500 people participated to a rave party in Brittany. :eek:
 
Yeah, it is more reliable but 2 weeks behind. Could look at combination of positivity rate and cases. I think you will have to be at level 4/5 until April. Just sad :(

Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too :(
 
It works least in the US (which would explain the high case numbers here) because people have been conditioned to be suspicious of government and concepts like freedom and liberty tend to creep into public policy - mainly by the right of course.
Creep in? Isn’t your whole constitution built on those inaliable rights?
 
Creep in? Isn’t your whole constitution built on those inaliable rights?

There are limits to everything. We have freedom of speech, and yet we can't yell fire in a crowded theater. The same would logically apply to public health emergencies. You can walk around without masks indoors when there's no pandemic, but you can't do so when there is and your country is losing a 9/11 worth of people a day.
 
There are limits to everything. We have freedom of speech, and yet we can't yell fire in a crowded theater. The same would logically apply to public health emergencies. You can walk around without masks indoors when there's no pandemic, but you can't do so when there is and your country is losing a 9/11 worth of people a day.
Well, yeah, that’s just commonsense to most people
 
Such a moron, and unfortunately one with an audience and platform.
She's not a moron, she's a cynic, pandering to her audience's prejudices for money. Makes her worse, IMO.

Her and Ross Clark went to Cambridge, can you believe it.
 
25x the capacity of Old Trafford have died from this in the world. If you have ever been to Old Trafford you know how sad that actually is.
 
Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too :(
Yeah, I still think the most likely outcome is that we all end up getting it. Probably multiple times. This disease is a real fecker.
 
Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too :(
I completely understand your sentiment Pogue and I think we all know it will get far worse before it gets better.. Thank god for the rapid development of these vaccines. God alone only knows where this would be without them.
Where do you think things have failed in the countries that were performing well (or at least better than most)?
Do you think governments policies have contributed more to rising cases or do you think the behaviour of a minority in each populace has been more damaging?
 
China has an incredibly compliant population ruled by fear, but they've cultivated this over years - it wouldn’t work in the UK or many countries for that matter.

It's not only fear, every person locked up wasn't staying there just because they'd go to jail.

Anyway I'd argue that right now they're far more free than people in any country outside a handful (vietnam, nz, etc), freedom isn't words on a paper, it has to mean something practically, and agonizing about meeting your friends and family is not what free people do.
 
Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too :(
Chin up soldier. It's darkest before the light. Just a few more months to the promised land. (No, not that promised land. I meant vaccines having an effect and winter ending. )
 
There are limits to everything. We have freedom of speech, and yet we can't yell fire in a crowded theater. The same would logically apply to public health emergencies. You can walk around without masks indoors when there's no pandemic, but you can't do so when there is and your country is losing a 9/11 worth of people a day.

Health emergencies are not a good reason to further restrict freedom of speech :)
 
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So in the UK the positive cases have gone up by over 35% in the last week when test8ng has gone down by over 15%.

Yet schools and workplaces will stay open...
 
Can someone correct me or fill in the blanks for me please. Someone offline has told me Boris has in an effort to speed up the vaccine process delayed the second dose in favour of giving more people doses now and in turn the vaccine manufacturer has said it cant promise the effectiveness of the vaccine. Is this true or has the person I have been speaking to got a bunch of info incorrect
Thanks
 
Can someone correct me or fill in the blanks for me please. Someone offline has told me Boris has in an effort to speed up the vaccine process delayed the second dose in favour of giving more people doses now and in turn the vaccine manufacturer has said it cant promise the effectiveness of the vaccine. Is this true or has the person I have been speaking to got a bunch of info incorrect
Thanks
This article may help... at best it seems unethical. At worst it may impact the effectiveness of the vaccine.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html
 
Kids do get sick a lot during the flu season..

Has the % of kids out of the total daily confirmed cases has risen sharply compared to previous months ?
 
This article may help... at best it seems unethical. At worst it may impact the effectiveness of the vaccine.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html

Its a fecking gamble. Nothing scientific in this change of plans and push further the agenda of the people that say that corners had been cut to get the vaccines. Because "if they do this at day broadlight, you can only imagine what the Big Pharma do in the shadows" . I am convinced to take the vaccines even after that, but I definitely don't like it because it plants a seed of doubt