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MrEleson said:
- Higuain WAS a top player. He regularly started ahead of Aguero for the National Team and his numbers were good at Madrid too. The problem is that he was a serial bottler.
- Immobile scored 36 goals; 14 of which were penalties in a season where the rules changed so pens were being awarded at an unprecedented rate so his numbers were inflated and don't necessarily represent the strength of the league.
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Ronaldo fan boys have been defending penalty goals in this thread for ages and then you say but Quagliarella scored a lot of penalties. Which is it, penalties shouldn't be taken into account or should be taking into account?

Even if Higuain was a top player, the record goals in a 38 game PL season is 34. The following players at their peak were better than Higuain ever was and didn't score 36 league goals in a season, Salah, Henry, Aguero, Shearer, Ronaldo (entering his prime), Rooney, Suarez, Drogba, Kane, Van Persie. That in itself shows that Serie A isn't that difficult now, especially when 2 players scored more in a season in the last 5 years than anyone in a PL season in 30 years.

Only 3 players in Serie A have scored more than 30 league goals in a season since 1958. Toni scored 31 in 2005, then Higuaín and Quarliarella in 2 of the last 5 seasons.

The above easily shows how Serie A is not great anymore, and hasn't been a top league since 2008 ish.
 
I agree with your overall point about serie A's decline, but to be fair, Suarez scored 31 in 33 with no penalties and Salah 32 in 36 with 1 penalty. Higuain scored 36 in 35 with 3 penalties and Immobile only got there with 14 penalties

Henry, Cristiano, etc played in a different, lower scoring era for top scorers, and aguero has been limited by injuries his whole career(and he also never hit the level of peak Higuain for long enough. Whenever he got there he promptly got injured :lol: )
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Higuain and Immobile scoring 36 goals in a 38 game season kind of shows that the league is a bit meh.
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Immobile and Lukaku score a lot in Italy but they have 5 and 4 goals respectively in the CL too. Higuain is one of the best strikers of the last 20 years so I'm not sure what's the point there, he was a monster that season.

6 out of 7 italian teams made it out of the group stages in Europe this season and it really should have been all 7. The league is getting better every season and they're already ranked 3rd in Europe...
 
Peyroteo said:
Immobile and Lukaku score a lot in Italy but they have 5 and 4 goals respectively in the CL too. Higuain is one of the best strikers of the last 20 years so I'm not sure what's the point there, he was a monster that season.

6 out of 7 italian teams made it out of the group stages in Europe this season and it really should have been all 7. The league is getting better every season and they're already ranked 3rd in Europe...
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You are clutching at straws and moving goal posts as usual. Not going to waste my time with this discussion.
 
I agree, Serie A is poor, they don't have Crystal Palace and Leeds to elevate them.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
You are clutching at straws and moving goal posts as usual. Not going to waste my time with this discussion.
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Don't know why mentioning the results of italian teams in Europe while talking about the strength of the league is clutching at straws or moving goalposts, especially when you chose to use random seasons from a few goalscorers to do it instead. You're right that it would be a waste of time to argue about it though
 
Cristiano Ronaldo
PLAYER OF THE CENTURY 2001-2020
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Who are Al-Ahly and how did they get nominated as "Club of the Century" alongiside Real Madrid and Barcelona?

How is Salah one of the nominees for Player of the Century?

That's not even starting with giving a Century award with 80 years to go...
 
InterFan1998 said:
Who are Al-Ahly and how did they get nominated as "Club of the Century" alongiside Real Madrid and Barcelona?

How is Salah one of the nominees for Player of the Century?

That's not even starting with giving a Century award with 80 years to go...
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I dont particularly agree with this either but it's clearly because he has helped spread the middle eastern football name across a European /world football very well. He is like the first proper legendary world class middle eastern player ever to have won the stuff in Club football. Whenever I ask a middle eastern football lad who they support, the answer I get tends to be Liverpool now more than ever and surely that has been due to their successes alongside their successes with a middle eastern player.
 
InterFan1998 said:
Who are Al-Ahly and how did they get nominated as "Club of the Century" alongiside Real Madrid and Barcelona?

How is Salah one of the nominees for Player of the Century?

That's not even starting with giving a Century award with 80 years to go...
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You honestly don't know who Al-Ahly are?. this Eurocentric view that only Football is played in Europe must just stop. The funniest thing is some of the best players in Europe now and the past are not even European. What Clubs do you think they start with?. Honestly your question stinks of arrogance. There is Football OUTSIDE of Europe, and there are great teams too that produce great players.
 
Why is player of the century even a thing?
A players career last a couple of decades, if that.

Oh, sure, they mean this century, but then its not really a century, its only 20 years.
So, you can have player of the century every year from now until 2099 then...

Its just so stupid, there shouldnt be a player award with the word "century" in it.
 
Morty_ said:
Why is player of the century even a thing?
A players career last a couple of decades, if that.

Oh, sure, they mean this century, but then its not really a century, its only 20 years.
So, you can have player of the century every year from now until 2099 then...

Its just so stupid, there shouldnt be a player award with the word "century" in it.
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It's one of those Cristiano Ronaldo awards. He win some new award every year whenever he is left out for Ballon d'Or.
 
Man doesn't stop, does he? Almost 36, another brace tonight already. No pens, Messi fanboys
 
United58 said:
Man doesn't stop, does he? Almost 36, another brace tonight already. No pens, Messi fanboys
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We had the greatest goalscorer in history develop at our club.
Sometimes you have to remind yourself about how absurd that is
 
cyberman said:
We had the greatest goalscorer in history develop at our club.
Sometimes you have to remind yourself about how absurd that is
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I'm STILL upset that he left so early :( Why couldn't he have left at 29 like Henry? We'd have more CLs than Liverpoo and at least 25 leagues if he had
 
More career goals than Pele

The brazilians will need to rectify their chants for the next World Cup
 
Greatest ever. Blessed to have had him at our club. Every now and then I watch youtube vids of him returning to Old Trafford in CL, gives me goosebumps every time.
 
Good start of the year. 18 goals in 15 games! Even managed better than Haaland this season (who had 17 goals in 15 games)

At nearly 36, he is still the best goalscorer in the game, take a bow.
 
Bennz McCarthey17 said:
You honestly don't know who Al-Ahly are?. this Eurocentric view that only Football is played in Europe must just stop. The funniest thing is some of the best players in Europe now and the past are not even European. What Clubs do you think they start with?. Honestly your question stinks of arrogance. There is Football OUTSIDE of Europe, and there are great teams too that produce great players.
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There may be football outside of Europe, but it doesn't warrant Club of the Century for a club who despite winning 6 Champions League, never made it to Fifa world cup final.
How many times have they beaten European Teams convincingly?
This argument is valid when talking about South American football of the pre Bosman, when they generally toyed with European teams, but African sides of this millennium, no chance.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
I don't care about what Messi is doing. This is not the Ron vs Messi thread. Messi has been poor this season but so has the whole Barca squad.

It is just cringeworthy when people comment Siuuu and the like when he scored a penalty as if that is the hardest thing to do in football. Fair enough he is doing very good, especially for his age. But look at the top scorer in the league in the last 5 seasons.

2015/16 Higuain 36
2016/17 Dzeko 29
2017/18 Icardi/Immobile 29
2018/19 Quagliarella (age 34) 26
2019/20 Immobile 36

Current season: Ronaldo 12, Zlatan (age 39) 10, Lukaku 10. Ron has 4 pens, Zlatan and Lukaku 2 pens. It is hard to take the top scorer too seriously when looking at the top scorers recently. Zlatan is 40 soon, Lukaku scores goals but isn't a top player. Higuain and Immobile scoring 36 goals in a 38 game season kind of shows that the league is a bit meh.
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Sure you don’t want to talk about Messi as he has been rather poor this season, and all you want is to talk about Ronaldo because for obvious reason.

Vardy was top goalscorer in the league last season, and Aubameyang 2 season ago. Lukaku is still overall top 3 goalscorer in PL among all current players, despite not playing there anymore in past 2.5 season. Bruno is big hit here who score a lot goals in PL (19 goals in 30 games) but was rather average in Serie A with far less goals (15 goals in 119 games). Salah is currently top scorer in PL (86 goals in 123 games for Liverpool), was never as prolific in Serie A (29 goals in 65 games). Just wondering do you regard PL is abit meh too and therefore hard for you to take top scorer here in PL seriously?

By the way current season in PL: Salah (13 goals,), Calvert-Lewin (11 goals), Bruno (11 goals), Vardy (11 goals), Belford (10 goals), Kane (10 goals), not exactly more exciting than Serie A with names like Calvert-Lewin, Vardy, Belford etc among the very top.

Sure I think PL (ranked 2nd) is better than Serie A (ranked 3rd) but not taking top scorer seriously there for the reason you stated above, is rather weak. Do you not take Lewandoski goals seriously in Germany because the league was not as strong (rank 4th)?
 
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I can’t take this league seriously when you look at the last 5 top goalscorers... *posts list of 5 really good players*

And just look at the state of the current competition... *posts 3 really good players*

Ronaldo at 36 is better than Messi at 33.

They are both playing in average teams under dodgy managers and Ronaldo still produces the goods consistently.

I think Messi was a more gifted footballer at his peak, but Ronaldo deserves credit for now. His desire and mentality are simply unmatched in the modern game.
 
He played like he is still 24 against Udinese. So energetic, threat all the time and even made very good sliding tackle in that match.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Vardy was top goalscorer in the league last season
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Was he? That's insane, and deserves serious acknowledgement, at his age with his attributes - those kind of players normally drop off in their mid/late 20s, but he came into the PL in his mid 20s!!

Also Ronaldo > Messi now

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I think Messi was a more gifted footballer at his peak, but Ronaldo deserves credit for now. His desire and mentality are simply unmatched in the modern game.
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I'm the same; like Sir Alex Ferguson, Ronaldo is truly special and goes beyond football in sport as someone to be remembered forever, such is their contribution to the game
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
I don't care about what Messi is doing. This is not the Ron vs Messi thread. Messi has been poor this season but so has the whole Barca squad.

It is just cringeworthy when people comment Siuuu and the like when he scored a penalty as if that is the hardest thing to do in football. Fair enough he is doing very good, especially for his age. But look at the top scorer in the league in the last 5 seasons.

2015/16 Higuain 36
2016/17 Dzeko 29
2017/18 Icardi/Immobile 29
2018/19 Quagliarella (age 34) 26
2019/20 Immobile 36

Current season: Ronaldo 12, Zlatan (age 39) 10, Lukaku 10. Ron has 4 pens, Zlatan and Lukaku 2 pens. It is hard to take the top scorer too seriously when looking at the top scorers recently. Zlatan is 40 soon, Lukaku scores goals but isn't a top player. Higuain and Immobile scoring 36 goals in a 38 game season kind of shows that the league is a bit meh.
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Yikes :nervous:
 
Lord SInister said:
There may be football outside of Europe, but it doesn't warrant Club of the Century for a club who despite winning 6 Champions League, never made it to Fifa world cup final.
How many times have they beaten European Teams convincingly?
This argument is valid when talking about South American football of the pre Bosman, when they generally toyed with European teams, but African sides of this millennium, no chance.
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Crazy talk, FIFA Club World Cup?, is a farce of a competition that is generally made to pamper to the UEFA champions. I mean really they play like 2 matches, a semi final and a final in a "World Club Cup" Much like the World Cup, where Europe has bloody 16 teams compared to only 5 from Africa. It's a lot of strides still to be taken by FIFA when it comes to laying a level playing field for everyone of their other associations.

The disrespect for African teams stops here.
 
Bennz McCarthey17 said:
Crazy talk, FIFA Club World Cup?, is a farce of a competition that is generally made to pamper to the UEFA champions. I mean really they play like 2 matches, a semi final and a final in a "World Club Cup" Much like the World Cup, where Europe has bloody 16 teams compared to only 5 from Africa. It's a lot of strides still to be taken by FIFA when it comes to laying a level playing field for everyone of their other associations.

The disrespect for African teams stops here.
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:lol: at the excuses, so the supposedly club of the century can't even reach the finals of FIFA Club World Cup.
This is like deluded Celtics and Rangers fans who think their Championship standard clubs can win PL if they are in Premiere League.
 
Has at least another couple years of football left at the top at this rate, I imagine.

There's that part of me that STILL want us to get him for that final few years, almost like a dude helplessly having oneitis over his high school crush after hitting 30.
 
He is honestly getting better and better, which I didn't think was possible.

It's too bad Juve are hopeless. He deserves better.
 
The greatest player to ever step foot on a football pitch. 36 and still the same Ronaldo! Remarkable to still be the best in the world at his age.

Also that assist was sublime!

Will be a sad day when he finally hangs up his boots, lucky for football fans is he still has at the very least 2 years of top level football in him.
 
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