If Rashford and Grealish played for Liverpool the last 3 years, then they'd have those trophies. If TAA played for Aston Villa, he'd have none.
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If Rashford and Grealish played for Liverpool the last 3 years, then they'd have those trophies. If TAA played for Aston Villa, he'd have none.
Exactly!
Grealish is really 25 already?
Yeah. He's been around a while. He played in the 2015 FA Cup Final a few months before he turned 20.
Sorry, doesn't work that way. Just ask yourself how you' respond if someone had argued in 2009 that Steven Gerrard had achieved as much as Wayne Rooney. The title count would've come out immediately. Then ask yourself how you'd respond if the other party had then argued that if Gerrard had played for United he'd have the titles, and if Rooney played for Liverpool he'd have none and they'd still be the same players. Not on.
Quite right too. You could just as well argue that Liverpool has the title because they have those players, as that the players have the title because they played for Liverpool.
In the battle of what if vs reality, reality always wins.
TAA has won CL and EPL, being a key player. The other two haven't achieved that.
That wasn’t the original point though. The poster said that TAA shouldn’t play against Grealish and Rashford as he looks short on confidence. There was no mention of them bringing their Europa League or Play Off Winner medals with them. Klopper brought that (and strangely their ages) into the mix.
And this wasn't the original point either. Klopper brought age and medals into it to actually answer the original point. Which he did. But, as usual on here, some posters went about on some wild goose chase so no one could remember what the original point of the discussion was.
On that note, I'm headed back into the Trump thread.
TAA has won more league titles than Stevie G and the same amount of champions leagues.
It's pure circumstance. It doesn't mean he's an amazing player just based on what he's won.
Just look at your cast of other Euro cup winners from 2005 for goodness sake!
And this wasn't the original point either. Klopper brought age and medals into it to actually answer the original point. Which he did. But, as usual on here, some posters went about on some wild goose chase so no one could remember what the original point of the discussion was.
On that note, I'm headed back into the Trump thread.
Admittedly, I only started on p682 out of 682. But it seemed that Klopper replied to “Klopp shouldn’t play TAA on his current form against Grealish and then Rashford because it could ruin him” with “TAA is 22, Rashford is 23 and Grealish is 25, but TAA has won slightly more”.
It seemed an odd reply. Maybe I should have read more before sticking my beak in.
Hope it's a feckin penalty to win it.
If we beat Burnley and then win at Anfield the meltdown will be glorious.
I’ve just heard a recording of him on the radio moaning about being held to a different standard to other clubs/teams trying harder against Liverpool this season
It’s almost as if when you’re champions, teams want to prove themselves against you. Who would’ve thought! That together with less motivation to win again is what makes it so difficult to retain the league.
We used to get it year after year under Fergie, it's a by-product of winning. He's such a salty bastard.
United have a much larger fanbase though, so the point about it being a small proportion of every fan base still translates to high numbers!
Without a doubt media coverage and relentless negativity from fans on social media getting picked up does effect individual players, managers, chairmen/ women and by proxy, football clubs. Why do you think managers try to protect young players from the media? Many players have had to speak out about online abuse, some even delete their accounts. Modern players are even more susceptible to social media. Added to that, mainstream media picks up on constant criticism from fans and it sets the media narrative, "Ole under pressure". This in turn changes the questions asked to players and managers in press conferences and post match interviews.
In short, it is a mistake to think that media coverage has no impact on the club.
We all know the refs and FA will be kissing klopps arse.
It all depends if he wants to go for it or he has bigger fish to fry, in that case he drops out of FA Cup.
Yeah, because expectations and pressures are high only for Liverpool.
People want to beat the champions. It's a tale as old as time isn't it, he's such a whingebag.
we still do
I’ve just heard a recording of him on the radio moaning about being held to a different standard to other clubs/teams trying harder against Liverpool this season
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no wonder he allegedly shied away from managing United
You do have to feel sorry for him, it Wasn’t really fair of Villa to play a mixture of under 23’s and 18’s. His second biggest challenge surely must have been when we had 4 injuries in the first half, how could he be expected to cope with that.
Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp said he did not know how to prepare against Villa after finding out about their predicament on Thursday.
"It was a tricky one," said the German. "I have never had this kind of challenge in my life, when you have no idea who you are playing. All our preparations for the game went in the bin and we had to start again."
Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp said he did not know how to prepare against Villa after finding out about their predicament on Thursday.
"It was a tricky one," said the German. "I have never had this kind of challenge in my life, when you have no idea who you are playing. All our preparations for the game went in the bin and we had to start again."
Did he really say that? He is deluded, Christ.
It‘s mad that you can never be sure if the shit he spouts is just fan fiction, but it always seems to be true. It’s on the BBC article about Barry scoring towards the bottom of the page.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55597457
Is he....fishing for sympathy after playing a kids team? I think the media will turn on him a lot more in this calendar year.
This is a guy who blamed us getting 4 injuries in a game against them last year as disrupting their flow!
"Oh it was so hard playing a bunch of kids. That's why i for the first time ever in this cup early on, didn't play my own kids" type nonsense yesterday.
"Oh it was so hard playing a bunch of kids. That's why i for the first time ever in this cup early on, didn't play my own kids" type nonsense yesterday.
This guy used his first XI against Villa's 18 years olds? Wow! Genuinely wonder how insecure he really is. 
He’s gone down the path of Rafa, KKK et al before him. ‘Scouseitis’ will only end up one way and that will involve a labotomy
This guy used his first XI against Villa's 18 years olds? Wow! Genuinely wonder how insecure he really is.
He was planning on playing his own 18 years old, but when Villa had to change their lineup poor Klopp couldn't prepare so he had to play his first XL.This is the best news we have had in ages. We're starting to get under their skin.
Should give our lads a boost and I hope that Ole exploits this to the max. Fergie would be beaming from ear-to-ear if he heard Liverpool moaning about us getting penalties.
They have made a few suspect moves in the transfer market and now there are some genuine signs of cracks starting to appear.
Should give our lads a boost and I hope that Ole exploits this to the max. Fergie would be beaming from ear-to-ear if he heard Liverpool moaning about us getting penalties.
They have made a few suspect moves in the transfer market and now there are some genuine signs of cracks starting to appear.
They're cracking but not yet broken. There is still work to be done.
Only after we beat them at Anfield next week courtesy of a 98th minute penalty that should never have been awarded, in a game they dominated from start to finish, will Klopp and his RAWK cultists break completely.
the guy is pathetic. I stand by Liverpool buying the league, even if they didn't spend as much as other clubs to do it. Let's see him start bringing a scouse spine through, or more academy products. I doubt it'll ever happen. They don't have the balls to take any kind of risk. Admittedly they're running on what little momentum they have left at the moment.
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What suspect moves in the transfer market?
I get that people don’t like him and he comes out with some BS when we lose, but we’re sitting top of the Premier League as reigning champions. You’re all talking like we’re in 10th.
Why would any manager at a big club do that in modern football? United don’t have a Manchester spine to the team.
We have plenty of local and academy players on the go. Where’s your academy players pushing through?
Well, if a team consistently - over a period of time - get more penalties than anyone else, that normally indicates that said team have managed to get into dangerous positions frequently.
Normally.
There are two other possible takes:
A) It's all pure coincidence. The team haven't been dangerous going forward at all - but have somehow managed to capitalize in the extreme on the relatively few, statistically speaking, instances where they found themselves inside the box.
or
B) Refs are corrupt, innit? In other words, the old argument deluded Scouse fans used to favour back when United were top dogs. Harder to argue this in the VAR era, though - but I'm sure it's possible to find ways.
Normally.
There are two other possible takes:
A) It's all pure coincidence. The team haven't been dangerous going forward at all - but have somehow managed to capitalize in the extreme on the relatively few, statistically speaking, instances where they found themselves inside the box.
or
B) Refs are corrupt, innit? In other words, the old argument deluded Scouse fans used to favour back when United were top dogs. Harder to argue this in the VAR era, though - but I'm sure it's possible to find ways.
You have Rashford and Greenwood who’ve nailed a place as regular starters. We have Alexander-Arnold and Curtis Jones (arguably due to injuries).
The rest of your academy players you've brought through have been fringe players or found to be not good enough. You had that young LB recently who has now been replaced by Telles as a recent example.
Pogba came through the academy. Scott as well. Tuanzebe is the next one after that. Dean Henderson after that still
Are you forgetting Pogba and McTominay? The latter being pretty local and not a fringe player. Williams has had plenty of game time, Henderson getting game time, Tuanzebe playing a bit.
Whether they’re found to not be good enough doesn’t really matter. They’re getting chances to break through.
You’ve tried to make out we’re on par here, which couldn’t be further from the truth.
You’re not having Pogba. You had to re-sign him for bucket loads. Henderson and Tuanzebe aren’t regular starters. It’s like me using Neco Williams. McTominay fine but the original point was about a scouse spine.
If we’re talking about academy players coming through and becoming regular starters for a competitive side then I don’t see the difference between United and most other clubs.
Your best XI is mostly made up of expensive signings just like ours is:
De Gea; Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Bailly/Lindelof, Shaw/Telles; Fred, McTominay, Pogba; Fernandes, Rashford, Martial.
McTominay and Rashford are the only two you didn’t have to spend money on.