SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

So are they doing a super duper hard lockdown in those areas or are they gonna wait 4 weeks till it's all over the country then decide to do a harder lockdown?
 
So are they doing a super duper hard lockdown in those areas or are they gonna wait 4 weeks till it's all over the country then decide to do a harder lockdown?

I went to Asda while the news was on and it was the usual chaos in this part of North London. Streets are packed.
 
What’s the deal with the SA variant, is it more lethal/infectious?
 
Oh dear, the South African variant is rampant in Southport. That's getting perilously close to civilisation. @Penna
Thank goodness we're a very long way away! There is a very high percentage of old people in Southport, as it's completely without hills and at the seaside.

edit - it's our postcode, too. PR9 is full of blocks of flats for older people, both healthy ones and people needing sheltered accommodation. Lots of care homes as well.
 
Thank goodness we're a very long way away! There is a very high percentage of old people in Southport, as it's completely without hills and at the seaside.

edit - it's our postcode, too. PR9 is full of blocks of flats for older people, both healthy ones and people needing sheltered accommodation. Lots of care homes as well.
I know. My loved one works in a care home and was vaccinated late last week. They've got most of the patients but not the staff. The problem is they turn up one morning or afternoon and the staff that are on duty are done, but it's a 24-hour job, for every person on duty two more are on other shifts or day off. And that's without the countless zero hours agency staff moving from one home to another who don't get paid if they're sick. Ended up ranting, sorry.
 
I've never met a nice South African, and that's not bluddy surprising, man.
Cos they're all a bunch of arrogant bahstards, etc etc.

On a serious note. I, m wondering why they are so keen to clamp down so hard on this south African mutation, as opposed to the Brazilian one?

How is it different? Do they think its more likely to mutate into something more sinister that the vaccines would struggle against down the line?
 
What’s the deal with the SA variant, is it more lethal/infectious?

Likely more infectious, possibly causes more disease, proven to be more effective at evading multiple vaccines than the other variants.
 
Cos they're all a bunch of arrogant bahstards, etc etc.

On a serious note. I, m wondering why they are so keen to clamp down so hard on this south African mutation, as opposed to the Brazilian one?

How is it different? Do they think its more likely to mutate into something more sinister that the vaccines would struggle against down the line?


I'm with you. Been reading all about the existence of these variants but now what makes them worse. I think it's just increased rates of transmission.
 
I know. My loved one works in a care home and was vaccinated late last week. They've got most of the patients but not the staff. The problem is they turn up one morning or afternoon and the staff that are on duty are done, but it's a 24-hour job, for every person on duty two more are on other shifts or day off. And that's without the countless zero hours agency staff moving from one home to another who don't get paid if they're sick. Ended up ranting, sorry.
No, I understand completely. In another life I used to manage a group of care homes. The staff should be given time off to go and get the vaccine, it would be more effective and quicker.
 
I'm with you. Been reading all about the existence of these variants but now what makes them worse. I think it's just increased rates of transmission.
How much more transmissible is it than the UK varient? Any rough figures as yet?
 
I'm with you. Been reading all about the existence of these variants but now what makes them worse. I think it's just increased rates of transmission.

The main concern 2 months ago was about transmission, now it's about the vaccines.

We know from two recent trials that at least two vaccines, and probably all vaccines, don't work as well against it.
Novavax reported that results from mid-stage trials on Thursday showed its vaccine had 50% efficacy overall in preventing Covid-19 among people in South Africa. In late-stage results from the UK, the vaccine had up to 89.3% efficacy.

On Friday, Johnson & Johnson said a single shot of its vaccine had 66% efficacy, judging by a large-scale trial which spanned three continents. In the US, which recorded its first cases of the South African variant this week, the vaccine’s efficacy reached 72%, but it was just 57% in South Africa, where the new variants constituted 95% of the coronavirus cases in the trial.

That's the bad news. The good news is that even though the vaccines aren't as good at preventing people from getting covid, they seem to be just as good at preventing people from getting hospitalised with covid: 85%+. So there'll be more cases and more mild illnesses but as things stand, the vaccines will still save lives, remove the strain on hospitals and get things back to normal.

But we tend to notice these variants months after they've appeared, so it's entirely possible that there is already another variant that will be better at evading the vaccines. Pfizer's CEO said there was a "very high likelihood" their vaccine might become redundant eventually due to virus transmission.
 
Thanks for that Pogue. That explains why they are keen to try to get on top of it. 60 percent efficy of vaccines and more difficult to track. Its in 30 countries so far though, so I'm thinking its not so much a case of trying to stop that varient completely, more realistically trying to suppress it for as long as possible.
 
FFS, not fair if the Isle of Man can return to normality and we can’t. I’m gonna catch COVID and then travel over secretly and go on a coughing spree
Have you ever been to the Isle of Man?
London in the strictest lockdown ever is still better than the Isle of Man.
 
If everybody that finds them self positive quarantines them self this could be the end of it.
As long as its cheap, so everyone can go and do it.

Yes, i think this is the first step in easy mass availability. There are vending machines in NY now as well...

 
Yes, i think this is the first step in easy mass availability. There are vending machines in NY now as well...


Very good news. This could stop the spread and make it die out. Then again a thousand machines for the whole country isnt much. If it takes more than a year then the vaccines might beat them to it.
 
Long may it continue.

I had a random though/concern if the virus has escaped. As WA hadn't had a case in 10 months I was wondering if their contract tracing capacity would be up to the job? NSW probably has the best contact tracing and they helped Vic get up to speed in their outbreak. I hope NSW and Vic can help if required.

16,400 tests conducted in WA, no new cases. all close contacts still testing negative. so far so good.
 
16,400 tests conducted in WA, no new cases. all close contacts still testing negative. so far so good.

I saw that. Great news. Fingers crossed the remaining close contact tests come back negative and they all remain there.

Are you in Perth? Sounds like the city is coping it from bushfire smoke.
 
I saw that. Great news. Fingers crossed the remaining close contact tests come back negative and they all remain there.

Are you in Perth? Sounds like the city is coping it from bushfire smoke.
Whole city is very muggy and ash falling. Fire is basically north east of everything and the wind is blowing it straight across.
 
I saw that. Great news. Fingers crossed the remaining close contact tests come back negative and they all remain there.

Are you in Perth? Sounds like the city is coping it from bushfire smoke.

i'm SOR but commute everyday to CBD (WFH this week), colleagues saying CBD was raining ash and closer (Bennett Springs) it was basically like snowfall.

Theres also now a cyclone. So Western Australia is currently dealing with UK-variant COVID, massive bush fire, northern cyclone :lol:
 
i'm SOR but commute everyday to CBD (WFH this week), colleagues saying CBD was raining ash and closer (Bennett Springs) it was basically like snowfall.

Theres also now a cyclone. So Western Australia is currently dealing with UK-variant COVID, massive bush fire, northern cyclone :lol:

As someone on here famously said (I forget who) "It's not a light at the end of the tunnel, it is a train covered in spiders".
 
Have you ever been to the Isle of Man?
London in the strictest lockdown ever is still better than the Isle of Man.
I love it there. The people are a bit weird, but the countryside is great. I did once upset a local by referring to "the mainland" instead of saying "across."

I would imagine that it's relatively easy to close off a tiny island from the rest of the world.
 
I am going to sound like an absolute prick for questioning this but why is Tom Moore’s family to be at his bedside in hospital while he battles pneumonia and covid whilst most peoples families are completely banished from hospital whilst their loved ones receive treatment?

I know he’s become a national treasure for his fundraising efforts but why does his family get special treatment...?
 
I am going to sound like an absolute prick for questioning this but why is Tom Moore’s family to be at his bedside in hospital while he battles pneumonia and covid whilst most peoples families are completely banished from hospital whilst their loved ones receive treatment?

I know he’s become a national treasure for his fundraising efforts but why does his family get special treatment...?

One for the hypernormalisation thread. Elevate someone to saint like status because of the incredible example they set and then proceed to treat them as privileged.
 
I love it there. The people are a bit weird, but the countryside is great. I did once upset a local by referring to "the mainland" instead of saying "across."

I would imagine that it's relatively easy to close off a tiny island from the rest of the world.

True. So long as you find a way to keep out horny jetski riders.
 
I love it there. The people are a bit weird, but the countryside is great. I did once upset a local by referring to "the mainland" instead of saying "across."

I would imagine that it's relatively easy to close off a tiny island from the rest of the world.

I've been there numerous times for work and several friends/colleagues live there. It is like walking back in time to the 1980s. Its OK for a few days, but I couldn't live there.
They didn't have any restrictions for ages over the winter when we all did, everything was back to normal. Then 7 cases happened and they went into lockdown. I would guess its probably the easiest place in the world to isolate. Less people live there than Purley!
 
Headline below, but this snippet stood out.

"The new South Africa variant, which is more transmissible than the original virus, appears to show a slightly “diminished” response to vaccines, and may eventually require a booster shot, Public Health England (PHE) said."

Thousands in England to be tested in 'sprint' to halt South African Covid variant
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-destruction-of-nature-presents-extreme-risks
 
I am going to sound like an absolute prick for questioning this but why is Tom Moore’s family to be at his bedside in hospital while he battles pneumonia and covid whilst most peoples families are completely banished from hospital whilst their loved ones receive treatment?

I know he’s become a national treasure for his fundraising efforts but why does his family get special treatment...?
I also seen he got it from a holiday to Barbados?