SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
South Carolina is rescinding all guidance for closing schools based on community spread of Covid AND moved people from lower tiers ahead of teachers in the vaccine lineup.
Nice.
Nice.
Opinion piece about the Australian approach to the pandemic in the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...single-covid-19-case-we-welcome-restrictions/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...single-covid-19-case-we-welcome-restrictions/
massive trump guy, as you'd expect.
i saw a b-movie featuring him (and his father) called high voltage, it is great fun.
Yep. The State Superintendent of Education said “Schools reopening does not cause an increase in Covid cases”.
A guy that “has struggled in the past” with doing crystal meth is worried about what’s in a vaccine...
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Pretty much the mood right now. Yep.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...acked-over-perths-reaction-to-one-covid-case/
@Wibble this is really strange to watch. O'Brien essentially conveying through tone of the segment that Perth contact tracing is magic and the UK 22 billion pound system couldn't even generate a list of sites?
@Wibble this is really strange to watch. O'Brien essentially conveying through tone of the segment that Perth contact tracing is magic and the UK 22 billion pound system couldn't even generate a list of sites?
The other big factor is that when you are dealing with low numbers of infections contact tracing works. Once numbers explode it becomes harder to the point of impossibility. In Victoria's outbreak the contact tracing was overwhelmed. Even now when they have expanded employment to 2600 people and digitised their processes they can still only cope fully with 500 new cases per day. The UK peaked at 60,000 cases per day so I'm guessing they couldn't possibly keep up.
Another reason why going hard, fast and early was the right course of action.
oh no doubt....but 22 billion pounds? And he's suggesting a list of sites is like some magic reality?
But 20 billion of that has to be used to enrich the private companies that in no way get favorable deals from the Tories and are in no way Tory party donors. Allegedly.
That doesn't leave much to do the actual work
The UK response to covid has been an utter shambles and contact tracing has been a spectacular and expensive failure. I'm surprised they aren't burning effigies of Bojo in the street so murderously disastrous has been his government.
We have been saved by our state politicians and the Feds have been hopeless barring international border closures, and even then they have abdicated all responsibility for things like quarantine and don't give a toss about the 10,000's of thousands of Aussies stranded overseas. Yet they seem to be largely getting a free pass as well.
But 20 billion of that has to be used to enrich the private companies that in no way get favorable deals from the Tories and are in no way Tory party donors. Allegedly.
That doesn't leave much to do the actual work
The UK response to covid has been an utter shambles and contact tracing has been a spectacular and expensive failure. I'm surprised they aren't burning effigies of Bojo in the street so murderously disastrous has been his government.
We have been saved by our state politicians and the Feds have been hopeless barring international border closures, and even then they have abdicated all responsibility for things like quarantine and don't give a toss about the 10,000's of thousands of Aussies stranded overseas. Yet they seem to be largely getting a free pass as well.
0 new cases today from 8477 tests, no close contacts (or housemates) have caught it.
this guy is an "anti-superspreader"
0 new cases today from 8477 tests, no close contacts (or housemates) have caught it.
this guy is an "anti-superspreader"
Excellent news.
Wait what? How can a software system cost 22 billion???
best i could find is that it's "test and trace"
https://www.politico.eu/article/auditors-say-nhs-test-and-trace-program-not-reaching-enough-people/
However..........22 billion spent on "test and trace", yet O'Brien suggests they couldn't even produce a list of sites the person visited within 24-48 hours???? I mean...wtf??
I mean I could kinda understand 500m or even up to 1b at a push (I’d still question that) but surely it doesn’t cost 22 fukin billion to make a bit of software do something
EDIT never mind I’ve seen the breakdown above not just software system. Still seems hugely overpriced
https://fullfact.org/health/independent-sage-contact-tracing/
At least 2.4 billion on " tracing, technology and central support functions"
22 billion seems to be the entire program. EDIT: or maybe 45 billion?
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It's very loose here in Florence. I've seen more people doing the chinstrap mask thing than those wearing them properly. Maskless people are also a fairly common sight. Restaurants and shops are very busy and I've seen people shaking hands and hugging.The weather is lovely right now and the city is very busy. I think there is going to be a nasty shock in the coming weeks as everybody seems to have let their guard down here.
The working hypothesis for the Perth, Western Australia infection is that a seriously ill hotel quarantine arrival received medication to their room and the open/closing of the door created an air transfer system right past the guard sitting down the hallway. Perth has not had a community case in 10 months. This guard went on with his life and visited about 20 high-population sites whilst infectious.
It's a 50 cal. bullet dodge that we aren't currently reporting 50-100 cases a day...of the UK variant. The more you lower your guard, the more vulnerable you become.
English and Brazilian variants are present in Italy too.
Had my second vaccine dose yesterday. Soon after I finished work, I ordered the new Microsoft Surface Studio, only £4290. It allows me to do everything I need to do.
Jesus christ! It'd had better suck you off for that price.
The great thing is that you don't even need to connect it to the WiFi it just logs onto the 5G implant in your arm.
Bill Gates conspiracy theories confirmed.
Overpaid doctor
Overpaid doctor
I can't tell whether my joke was just poorly executed, but yeah I didn't buy such an item
Just fueling the Microsoft-controlling-chip theorists.In probably too-good-to-be-true news out of Israel, some allegedly promising phase I results for an inhaled immunomodulatory experimental drug originally apparently designed for ovarian cancer called EXO-CD24
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-i...-to-serious-covid-cases-within-days-hospital/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-i...-to-serious-covid-cases-within-days-hospital/
I can't tell whether my joke was just poorly executed, but yeah I didn't buy such an item
I thought you were serious. I was joking myself, what someone does with their own money is not my business!Wasn't sure where to post this. It's a good listen
I knew where you were coming from. But then I may have already been vaccinated so that's probably just the hive mind network linking upI can't tell whether my joke was just poorly executed, but yeah I didn't buy such an item
I had my first CV vaccine today. The whole thing was superbly well organised. The vaccines were the Oxford AZ one which I was very happy with.
While I was being booked in, a guy was told by the receptionist next to me that he would be getting the Astra Zenica vaccine.
The guy said that he didn't want that one, only the English jab.
The receptionist told him that it was the English one.
Well that's ok then he said.
I am not having the Russian or Chinese one. Only the English one.
Luckily I had a mask on so he could not see me smiling...
While I was being booked in, a guy was told by the receptionist next to me that he would be getting the Astra Zenica vaccine.
The guy said that he didn't want that one, only the English jab.
The receptionist told him that it was the English one.
Well that's ok then he said.
I am not having the Russian or Chinese one. Only the English one.
Luckily I had a mask on so he could not see me smiling...
Reminds me of being in the dentist surgery once, and an Eastern European receptionist getting some grief off some idiot on the phone, apparently moaning about wanting to "speak to someone who can speak english". (She spoke perfect English - just had an accent)
The dentists were Spanish and Indian, so I wonder if that person tried to push their weight around with them as well.
10,000 Pfizer does due in the next 2 weeks with border and quarantine staff first cab of the rank.
No new cases today as well. Housemates still testing negative.
The Repubblica newspaper reports today that a hospital in the Veneto region has 22 elderly patients and 4 care staff who have tested positive, after refusing the vaccine. Whilst no-one can say for sure if the staff were the people who infected the patients, the local health authority is actually consulting lawyers about it. There have been statements to the effect that it's unacceptable for health care workers to refuse the vaccine when they're working with vulnerable people in hospital.
It raises an interesting question about the right of an individual to refuse the vaccine on "I just don't want it" grounds, when their work makes them more likely to spread the virus. I personally find it astonishing that a healthy person would turn it down when they're working in a hospital with daily patient contact.
It raises an interesting question about the right of an individual to refuse the vaccine on "I just don't want it" grounds, when their work makes them more likely to spread the virus. I personally find it astonishing that a healthy person would turn it down when they're working in a hospital with daily patient contact.
Its definitely an interesting dilemma and one that @Pogue Mahone has rightly already mentioned a few times.
I don't know what the situation is across mainland Europe or North America (though I can't imagine it is that different) but you can't work as a doctor in the UK or Australia without evidence of an extensive array of vaccines/ immunities/ lack of current infection of various pathogens. Of course, nobody is saying that you have to have those vaccines, there's no straightjacket involved....Just, if you don't want to have the vaccine, you can find work in another field. Every time you move to a different trust, you have to show evidence of these vaccinations and you'll have to get blood tests showing your current HIV/Hep B/ Hep C status every few years if you're moving usually.
I think there is currently some leeway because it is all so new and most governments are learning on the job, reacting to new information all the time and making huge, long-lasting decisions. And in fairness, the flu vaccine isn't compulsory, though they lean on staff very heavily to have it. But I can definitely see there being pressure to add the covid vaccine to the list eventually.
Most of the staff I know who don't want it at the moment are (sadly) from ethnic minorities. Most in fairness are not vaccine skeptic as such, they just want to see it being rolled out over a 5-6 month period before being happy with getting it themselves. There's a lot of misinformation to be combated though, I walked past a group of African and Indian nurses last week huddled round a phone playing a video of how the covid vaccines are a way to sterilise the ethnic minorities in Western countries.