How was that not a foul on Werner? These officials doing everything they can to ensure Liverpool don’t ‘slip’ too far behind in the top 4 race.
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The technology is just fine, as shown in other countries. Don't know why the Premier League persists with their ridiculous line/armpit/whatever methods.
Any sensible person would call that a fair goal by Werner. VAR wasn't implemented to cancel those kinds of goals. Nobody wanted that. It's how children would enforce rules. No place for common sense.
VAR made football worse.
this is sabotage
they're sabotaging VAR
they're sabotaging VAR
The line also said he was onside
I mean feck Liverpool and all but I can’t help have a cheeky giggle about this after Tuchel’s ranting last weekend. Karma is a bitch, isn’t it.
Once it starts measuring from armpits and sleeves, they need to accept some sort of margin for error. Feet and knees being offside is a bit clearer, but they seem to measure on a different part of the arm each time.
I genuinely think the Premier League doesn't want it and are indeed tanking it.
Yeah, it needs competence at the other end. It has been nothing short of a disaster in the Premier League. Comprehensively made the game worse. If they had decent refs and decent video assistant refs, it would be fine.
It's not fine. It's clearly not precise enough for close offside decisions. Seems entirely arbitrary whether the frame is freezed exactly when the ball is played, or split seconds before or after. That can be the difference when an armpit hair can make you offside. You're right, though, a margin of error and a dose of common sense would help.
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Liverpool players are amazing at the delayed dive. That one from Jones was Salah inspired.
The technology is fine. The people using it are not. All VAR has done is remove all doubt about the ineptitude of referees.
In other countries, such as The Netherlands, they have clearly defined rules about the margin of offside required to have it overturned. In the PL it seems completely arbitrary at times.
Just get rid of the thing and go back to how it used to be.
How can you be offside with your arm when if the ball hits any part of your arm during an attack the goal will be disallowed for handball? It doesn’t make sense.
Liverpool are so bad I reckon United could get a 0-0 draw against them.
Decent watchable game this.
You can't. They made a blatantly wrong call. Proper outrageous, honestly.
think I might sue them. Got a bet on Chelsea winning!
Any technology that does this "Line drawing" thingy....it looks like a human being is behind the drawing of the lines.
I don't want that.
I want a fecking supercomputer that could beat any chess player behind the line drawing....not some wanker in the VAR room.
I have ZERO faith in this, regardless of the stupid armpit rules.
Shite match this
Really don't know. Thought you could only be offside for a body part you could legitimately score a goal with.
Mane diving again
Don't all players wears trackers now? Surely it can just be done like that which would be accurate enough and then. Like goal line tech, the refs watch buzzes. No need for the waiting or reviews. Get on with the game.
Mane
It’s clearly not, you’ve got some bloke guessing where an imaginary line is on someones arm and then judging it on a mm. That’s not fine no matter how well he knows the rules.
It won't be if it hits the upper part of your arm, as you're allowed to play the ball with that part. That's where the offside lines are being drawn from too.
The problem is that because that isn't an actual body part, it's hard for them to be consistent in where they draw the line.
True. Where the armpit begins seems entirely subjective and coincidental. It would be simple if it was the lower part of your body but when you draw the line at an arbitrary place on the arm, you're bound to get inconsistencies.
It's just baffling watching this week after week when everyone, players, fans, coaches, pundits, can see how ridiculous it all is. Everyone apart from the clowns in charge.
It's been around a lot longer in Belgium than in the PL and if anything it has made offside decisions easy as (as opposed to handballs, tackles or stuff) it's either black or white, you're onside or not. The PL just completely misuses the system with their weird lines and triangles and angles and whatnot.
Not sure a margin of error would help either because then where would you draw the line? It would just shift the discussion from onside/offside to "how much offside was he", wouldn't solve anything. Just look at countries where it's working and AVOIDING debate instead of causing it, and use those methods.
You're discussing the method of how the technology is used, not the technology. Which, I agree, is wrong in England. There's nothing wrong with the technology in itself if applied correctly.
They're planning to introduce something like that for the Qatar world cup.
Yep. That's been my suspicion since day one, which is why I refuse to blame the technology itself and go after the refs instead.
What technology have I missed that’s not using a line but more accurate?
We'd soon realise how shit that was. I'd rather they just sorted their rules and refereeing.
I don't really see why humans are drawing those lines. Can they not invest in technology to check multiple frames and if a percentage mark it off it's off.
I find it mad that they don’t have a decent camera angle for almost every VAR incident. They have to implement more cameras, surely.
Mount!
Ah lovely goal..
MOUNT!
Oooooooooooooohhhh
Yeah, that doesn't make sense because I could have a bigger upper arm than you and how do you decide where the upper arm begins in a fair manner!
Mason Mount gives Chelsea the lead. Nowt wrong with that.