Do people care about the nations league? This will be the next nations league for me. I won't even know who won.
European Super League
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I can understand local fans being angry. They won't be able to afford to watch all the away games as they used to be. However our rival teams should just shut up really. What had the likes of Burnley, Stoke and co had done to improve the EPL entertainment thus boosting the very revenue these clubs do not want to lose? Time and time again, the big clubs are facing teams who play catenaccio/rugby style turning games into a frigging bore fest. Sure United are being greedy on this matter. However the same can be said about the small/mid sized clubs who would rather shit on entertainment just to keep on piggy banking on the revenue generated by others.
Does this mean we're out of EL?
What it's most baffling is there clubs, ours with them, are doing this while wanting to play the domestic leagues. So hey we are going to screw CL but everything else to be the same. Instead of finding middle ground with uefa.
Domestic leagues will be dead to with nothing to play for for the most part.
What it's most baffling is there clubs, ours with them, are doing this while wanting to play the domestic leagues. So hey we are going to screw CL but everything else to be the same. Instead of finding middle ground with uefa.
Domestic leagues will be dead to with nothing to play for for the most part.
If you look close enough you’ll probably find some nepotism that will change your mind.
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There is a huge difference from the way football is being looked at by fans in UK and Northern Europe, compared to the Southern countries. Therefore I can imagine that clubs from Italy and Spain will get much more sympathy and support to this new league, than in England and Germany.
300 mio pounds as a starter bonus, and guaranteed 125 min pounds a year is crazy money. Who is going to pay? The fans - sorry, the customers. No way I can afford / will pay to watch that shit.
300 mio pounds as a starter bonus, and guaranteed 125 min pounds a year is crazy money. Who is going to pay? The fans - sorry, the customers. No way I can afford / will pay to watch that shit.
I think that’s what the clubs are going to receive, subscriptions to the TV broadcasts are likely to be a lot less than that for individual customers.
So, throwing away history is ok? Taking even bigger step from what football is ment is ok? Understand.
I want the FA/Premier League to tell the clubs that they will be thrown out of the English football system entirely if they do this.
The angry pundits frothing will work for the broadcasters if the Super League if this gets the go-ahead. Mark my words.
United hasn't made any official statement about this?
It's easier said than done. The FA and Premier League loss of quality by banning top clubs and players will ultimately be the end of its pull.
Meh, I thought it would be a real leauge format. Not a CL 2.0.
We did.
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ce-new-super-league-competition-18-april-2021
Weirdly they didn't post it on Twitter though. Maybe they were afraid from the backlash in the comments.
The only way I can see this not happening is if the clubs are banned from participating in the domestic league or relegated to oblivion. It needs to hurt enough financially, its the only thing the owners care about.
And that statement on the clubs site, saying they do this for all of football, makes me sick. All that extra money, it will come from somewhere and it will be us fans that pays, one way or another. I'm so disgusted, outraged and scared.
I can understand that UEFA is viewed as greedy by the clubs, I think they are too, but when there is no qualification to the new league it's just pointless. It's not based on merit.
And that statement on the clubs site, saying they do this for all of football, makes me sick. All that extra money, it will come from somewhere and it will be us fans that pays, one way or another. I'm so disgusted, outraged and scared.
I can understand that UEFA is viewed as greedy by the clubs, I think they are too, but when there is no qualification to the new league it's just pointless. It's not based on merit.
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Neville and Carragher will be the first to sign up! An extra zero on their payslips no doubt
Obviously. Sky and BT are already bidding for telecast rights probably. While they allow all pundits to take it all out on their channels
Truth be told, AC Milan and Internazionale are no better than Everton and West Ham. Average clubs.
What irks me is they use the historical clout generated by Champions League success, to break away from UEFA. The very hand that fed these clubs for many years.
In terms of quality, the league will not be better than Premier League. It would take a few years for Italian clubs to catch up thanks to enormous pay check.
You are just giving TV rights money to Inter rather than Aston Villa though.
I can see the point for Italian and Spanish clubs, not sure what big 6 PL clubs' rationale is.
What irks me is they use the historical clout generated by Champions League success, to break away from UEFA. The very hand that fed these clubs for many years.
In terms of quality, the league will not be better than Premier League. It would take a few years for Italian clubs to catch up thanks to enormous pay check.
You are just giving TV rights money to Inter rather than Aston Villa though.
I can see the point for Italian and Spanish clubs, not sure what big 6 PL clubs' rationale is.
I’m wondering if Klopp will go at the end of the season. I feel like he might.
I really can’t be arsed with football anymore if this is where it’s going. We’re supposed to play Leeds on Monday and it feels so pointless now.
I really can’t be arsed with football anymore if this is where it’s going. We’re supposed to play Leeds on Monday and it feels so pointless now.
Would I be right in thinking these so-called superclubs just want more games and guaranteed income by forming this new Super League? Out goes the Champions League in exchange for the new format. Surely, they want to still participate in domestic competitions? Basically, these teams would have a massive squad competing for both domestic titles and the Super League.
If they don't nip this in the bud now they'll lose the 6 clubs further down the line anyway when the inevitable expansion of the Super League happens. I hear people talking about points deductions and relegations. No, that's short termist and not strong enough. They need to know they'll be thrown out.
Would you feel better if PL says you have automatically forfeited all coming games till end of season.
I am not saying that. I said it in previous posts that this is a step too far. That particular post tackled the greed coming from the other side.
When I started watching football the EPL wasn't the best league in the world. While the Serie A had the likes of Maldini and Franco Baresi the EPL had Steve Bruce and Tony Adams. However there's no doubt that it was damn entertaining. Even the smaller sides played attacking football and they were proud of having special talent like Le Tissier, Les Ferdinand, Juninho, Di Canio, Ravanelli etc. The EPL was the place to go to watch entertaining football. Well that's long gone.
These days you know that if we're playing against a small side then we'll spent the next 90 minutes trying to break down a 10 men defence. Its frigging boring. The format is the same but football had changed. Entertainment had long gone and all we're left with are teams who would sell their soul just to keep on earning EPL money year after year. That's also greed.
I don’t think I’d care. We won’t be playing in next seasons Champions League regardless of what happens now.
It will be the same against Inter or AC Milan. Italian clubs are very bad.
They have been incapable in Champions League for many years now.
Wow. I thought the Uefa statement was bad.
Did they accidentally post a skeleton 1st draft? The ESL website is laughable too
This might all be hot air and a veiled threat to FIFA, UEFA, FA, etc to reform and give the bigger clubs a larger slice of bread.
Exactly my thought yesterday. They know this will not go well with fans. So ashamed of the club right now.
Good kick them out of their domestic leagues. I would fully support that. Parasites
The Serie A had seen better days but Inter and AC Milan can still produce better football then the one offered by Burnley. However what I am tackling here is the mentality. When I started watching the EPL it was by far the 3rd best league in the world. United would have struggled to be a Serie A top 7 team. However each game was entertaining. These days most small-mid sized side will play catenaccio style just to earn that 1 point against the top side. That's frigging boring.
Not Burnley-level, but certainly Everton- or Villa-level.
I still haven't bothered to check the rules and qualification system of the nations league.
Ok I'll play Devil's advocate here:
Isnt Champions League already boring?
Arent UEFA/FIFA wildly incompetent and full of greed? It has needed replacing the last two decades.
Could it be that the new setup would actually be better? If there's much power to such a league's clubs, you could push FIFA to not being overly greedy. If the new league has a democratic structure (yes itll be highly capitalistic, but there could be more caring for players/sports ethics)
For me, football is quite terrible at the moment overall, so I welcome ideas.
Isnt Champions League already boring?
Arent UEFA/FIFA wildly incompetent and full of greed? It has needed replacing the last two decades.
Could it be that the new setup would actually be better? If there's much power to such a league's clubs, you could push FIFA to not being overly greedy. If the new league has a democratic structure (yes itll be highly capitalistic, but there could be more caring for players/sports ethics)
For me, football is quite terrible at the moment overall, so I welcome ideas.
What have Milan done to get more? Poor governance, mismanagement leads to where they are.
I would rather see Everton get TV money from Premier League than Inter from Superleague.
Only thing in common for 12 founding members is their historical clout, generated by participating in... the Champions League.
Quality-wise, some of these founding members would not get in Europa League if they competed in England.
Unless the Gazers sell we’ll still be a badly run club with little ambition in a Super League, just more guaranteed cash. Likes of ourselves and Arsenal won’t be competing with City and Madrid in a Super League just content to make up numbers and keep the cash.
Yeah possibly. I think there’s too much negativity coming from all of our fan bases as well. FSG folded over ticket prices before. If a majority of fans reject this collectively then maybe there’ll be a rethink.
The people at the head of this (Perez, Henry, Glazer etc) don’t give a damn about regular fans though. All they see is the chance to fill their wallets a bit more.
Not Inter.
It makes me sick tbh. United have worked their arses off all season to get back in the Champions League and it’s all pointless now. Watching us leapfrog you guys, the Champions of England, in the space of just one season has been one of the things that has made the season exciting for us.
The season has been a complete waste of time. All the ups and downs we have had is for nothing. The manager and players for United must be livid right now.
Typically, this is the most promising we have seen for a United side for nearly a decade and it looks like it’s all going to be undone fairly quickly. I definitely can’t see our manager sticking around for this, and I’m certain there will be a fair few players against it (although on the player side of things there are no other alternatives really if all the biggest clubs are playing in this new league).
The official statement is a joke 
They assume fans would be all for it without even consulting them once.
They assume fans would be all for it without even consulting them once.It all depends on how the promotion mechanism for additional five teams is crafted. Yet it was not explained in yesterday's announcement.
Looks like the 15 clubs cannot be relegated no matter what. In the Champions League if you are bad domestically you do not automatically qualify by dint of your historical reputation.
If they wanted to upgrade Champions League, it would have been vital to specify how the additional clubs would get to participate in Superleague. Which they failed to do yesterday.