European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Self entitled greedy fecking fecks.

How fecking dumb does the Superleague sound?!

The world really is a money driven merry go round. We all knew that, but you still had a ounce of hope that not everything is about money, that there is still some pride and integrity in this world.

They can all feck off if this goes through.
 
Sultan said:
Cricket fans will remember similar arguments against the T20, IPL, and Kerry Packer. Players clubs and national associations have had to relent and give permission for players to take part.
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ROFLUTION said:
Out of curiosity how has it been? Entertaining, boring, meh?
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Ironically, T20 killed my love for the game. I'm sure older cricket lovers will confirm that ODIs had the same impact, but T20s for my cricket watching era, resulted in an overwhelming shift in favour of batsman and against bowlers.
 
Nani Nana said:
Truth be told, AC Milan and Internazionale are no better than Everton and West Ham. Average clubs.

What irks me is they use the historical clout generated by Champions League success, to break away from UEFA. The very hand that fed these clubs for many years.

In terms of quality, the league will not be better than Premier League. It would take a few years for Italian clubs to catch up thanks to enormous pay check.

You are just giving TV rights money to Inter rather than Aston Villa though.

I can see the point for Italian and Spanish clubs, not sure what big 6 PL clubs' rationale is.
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Yes this. With the state of La Liga and Serie A, you can see why they would want this. Those leagues are at their death knells.

Honestly I would rather watch the likes of Everton or Villa rather than Inter. Europe has always just been a bonus. The domestic game is much more interesting to me.
 
The FA and PL set the wheels in motion themselves when they allowed Oligarchs and US owners to takeover the clubs. They can feck off.
 
Sultan said:
Cricket fans will remember similar arguments against the T20, IPL, and Kerry Packer. Players clubs and national associations have had to relent and give permission for players to take part.
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Good point. But there's two main differences here in my opinion. One, the reaction against this league has come from all levels and in many countries. Cricket while huge in numbers of fans, is very concentrated in 3,4 key countries; two, I think the zeitgeist has really changed and the accusations of greedy capitalism will stick much, much more in this era of ubiquitous social media.
 
Just playing devils advocate - is there a case to be made for the elite football clubs who generate much of the revenue not getting their due share of the pie from UEFA or is it all down to them being too greedy?
 
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...he-english-football-association-the-premier-/

"As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."

If this is true then there will be no more PL games for said clubs this season, nor any cups. Maybe not even intl games for the players.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Yes this. With the state of La Liga and Serie A, you can see why they would want this. Those leagues are at their death knells.

Honestly I would rather watch the likes of Everton or Villa rather than Inter. Europe has always just been a bonus. The domestic game is much more interesting to me.
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Most teams in the premiership would do extremely well in every other league in Europe because they are all rich. We have the best league in the world and these clubs are going to destroy it to be part of a much inferior product.
 
KM said:
The FA and PL set the wheels in motion themselves when they allowed Oligarchs and US owners to takeover the clubs. They can feck off.
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Thing is, Madrid and Barcelona are also in favour of this, as I suppose there's always a desire for extra money to be pocketed, or be made available for expanding your business.
 
I genuinely want the Premier League to punish the teams involved. Find a way to guarantee West Ham, Leicester and Everton qualify for next year's Champions League. Start creating a new "big 4" since it was all some media manufactured thing anyway. If these teams don''t want to be in the Champions League don't let them be, let all these teams sit out European Football for the next 3 years.
 
This is all about the owners greed. The PL, UEFA and FIFA should all stop crying as they allowed football to get to this stage by allowing immoral owners to take over our historic clubs and corrupt oil barons and countries to decimate the integrity of our competitions. Sky and BT also culpable.

This has nothing to do with 99.9999999% of stakeholders: players, staff, fans. They just want to line their pockets
 
KM said:
The FA and PL set the wheels in motion themselves when they allowed Oligarchs and US owners to takeover the clubs. They can feck off.
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exactly

They are just pissed they can't profit otherwise they would be happy
Sky the same, they probably aren't involved so are happy to air negativity towards it


Whoever wins, the fans lose in the end.

The owners, FIFA, UEFA and all these millionaires with their faux outrage can fck off (especially the ex players who will happily take jobs to be pundits and commentators)
 
Zehner said:
I also wonder if they really got the calculations correct. 10 guaranteed games against world class opposition sounda nice on paper but realistically the effect will wear off quickly. In no time, United playing Tottenham is the new United playing Sheffield. And Barcelona playing Juventus is the new Barca playing Sevilla. The atmosphere that surrounded these ties in the knockout stages of the CL will be no more.
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Quite. It's insane that they haven't realised this. Liverpool-Juventus or Man Utd-Barca are special because they happen so rarely, and the teams have to work so hard to earn the right to play those games.
 
Cardboard elk said:
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...he-english-football-association-the-premier-/

"As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."

If this is true then there will be no more PL games for said clubs this season, nor any cups. Maybe not even intl games for the players.
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Not happening. People need to slow down. So far it's just a rumour/announcement. This is going to take a long while to materialise, if it ever does.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Yes this. With the state of La Liga and Serie A, you can see why they would want this. Those leagues are at their death knells.

Honestly I would rather watch the likes of Everton or Villa rather than Inter. Europe has always just been a bonus. The domestic game is much more interesting to me.
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I have seen that just for the invite each club will earn £425m. That’s 4 times more than winning the Premier League. Any United fan wanting this is an idiot. Do they honestly think that additional money will go back into our squad and stadium?
 
I'm a bit out of the loop, can someone fill me in? I get the premise/ concept of the proposal but what stage are we at? Have the clubs officially made a statement they can't back down from or have they registered their interest to gauge public/ wider perception?
 
Cardboard elk said:
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...he-english-football-association-the-premier-/

"As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."

If this is true then there will be no more PL games for said clubs this season, nor any cups. Maybe not even intl games for the players.
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The breakaways are going to have to go home with their tails between their legs. The reaction has been fierce and overwhelming. The hit to UEFA's pockets is not immediate, it'll take a couple of seasons before they feel it. This hammer is immediate.
 
RoyH1 said:
Good point. But there's two main differences here in my opinion. One, the reaction against this league has come from all levels and in many countries. Cricket while huge in numbers of fans, is very concentrated in 3,4 key countries; two, I think the zeitgeist has really changed and the accusations of greedy capitalism will stick much, much more in this era of ubiquitous social media.
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There is also one major difference with cricket (and I always though Packer was a w@nker): the county championship never drew huge crowds and was barely covered on TV
 
Btw people saying that the PL should throw away the big six are surely looking at the smaller picture. The other 14 clubs will be financially destroyed if the big six are out of the league. The TV revenue will be reduced by 70-80% imo.
 
Brightonian said:
Quite. It's insane that they haven't realised this. Liverpool-Juventus or Man Utd-Barca are special because they happen so rarely, and the teams have to work so hard to earn the right to play those games.
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Absolutely. Our great CL games are special because they were rare. Playing Madrid regularly will make it about as interesting as your regular game against Chelsea. The magic which is borne out of novelty will truly be lost IMO. Not that the PL games are boring but they are meaningful for other reasons such as your local history re: that club.
 
KM said:
Btw people saying that the PL should throw away the big six are surely looking at the smaller picture. The other 14 clubs will be financially destroyed if the big six are out of the league. The TV revenue will be reduced by 70-80% imo.
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Yes, it's easier said that done.

I reckon there are a lot of games being played right now by all parties. Power moves and posturing. Let's wait and watch to see what meaningful outcomes are actually realised.
 
I hope they dock enough points off the six clubs that it's Leicester and West Ham duking it out for the title this year. A strong message needs to be sent immediately or this isn't going away.
 
Sylar said:
exactly

They are just pissed they can't profit otherwise they would be happy
Sky the same, they probably aren't involved so are happy to air negativity towards it


Whoever wins, the fans lose in the end.

The owners, FIFA, UEFA and all these millionaires with their faux outrage can fck off (especially the ex players who will happily take jobs to be pundits and commentators)
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One scenario makes the fans lose more than the other for me. Football does need a total revamp in its institutions for sure but this would be a horrible start
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Thing is, Madrid and Barcelona are also in favour of this, as I suppose there's always a desire for extra money to be pocketed, or be made available for expanding your business.
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Real Madrid and Barcelona are both in riduclous amounts of debt. Ofcourse they are going to be a part of this. Madrid made 0 singings last summer. These two teams can do whatever the feck they want in their league with out any repercussions.

Having said that no team is going to back out of ESL. They will miss out on a lot of money. Fear of what they might miss out on. Its stupid.
 
Brightonian said:
Quite. It's insane that they haven't realised this. Liverpool-Juventus or Man Utd-Barca are special because they happen so rarely, and the teams have to work so hard to earn the right to play those games.
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I’m not sure that is true, given the interest in United-Liverpool and other domestic rivals every season/
 
The only way this could be stopped is:

All other clubs in the Prem/La liga/Bundesliga/Italian/French leagues decide not to sell players to the Superleague clubs.

In 3 years the SL clubs would be fecked.

No Mbappes, no Bruno, etc.

They could have all the money in the world, yet, they couldn't spend it.
Sure, you could buy brazilians and other South Americans....
 
We are talking about UEFA being corrupt as feck for how fecking long now? Why the backlash now when some clubs have decided feck them?
 
TMDaines said:
I’m not sure that is true, given the interest in United-Liverpool and other domestic rivals every season/
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That is because there is actually a rivalry there, between the people of the two cities, historically related and not just football. There is no rivalry between United and Barcalona, it is just a unique attracted to watch them play because it doesn't happen often.
 
The hubris of the clubs involved is shocking. Where are Ajax for example. You want to generate revenues? Then put rangers and celtic on the competition? Those games against english clubs would attract alot of people.

Also how do two clubs who have never won the european cup end up founder members? Embarrassing.

Really hope someone like rashford says something today. Someone from the Utd team should.
 
This has been coming for a long time. They ruined the European Cup by letting clubs into it for finishing third or even fourth in some leagues just to placate the bigger names because they were scared of a European Super League, which is upon us anyway because our favourite footballing conglomerates can't make money quickly enough.
 
Kostov said:
We are talking about UEFA being corrupt as feck for how fecking long now? Why the backlash now when some clubs have decided feck them?
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Because they're not just fecking over UEFA. It is fecking over the Leagues and Fans of all the Clubs not invited to this circus.

If this shit was done 20 years ago Newcastle would be a founding member. 40 years ago Everton would be. As its now Spurs are and will forever be. fecking over clubs like Newcastle and Everton forever. Who wants that?
 
DickDastardly said:
The only way this could be stopped is:

All other clubs in the Prem/La liga/Bundesliga/Italian/French leagues decide not to sell players to the Superleague clubs.

In 3 years the SL clubs would be fecked.

No Mbappes, no Bruno, etc.

They could have all the money in the world, yet, they couldn't spend it.
Sure, you could buy brazilians and other South Americans....
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That's not how it works, the players that wants to leave would simply not extend or resign. One of the reasons players don't resign is because FIFA wouldn't register the player with his new club but in this case the competition they are joining is out of FIFA's jurisdiction.
 
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Rightnr said:
Oh, come on. Surely you must be paid for this.

This whole model is made by Americans for American consumer consumption. It's basically the NBA/NFL model for football.

It's so obvious that I think you're trolling or have ulterior motives.
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Who cares? Everything is made for consumer consumption these days, not sure why you're so anti American all of a sudden. If the model works then what does it matter?

The reason people are getting upset by this is getting wilder by the second
 
When is UEFA meeting? Seems like a lot of lawsuits have already been filed by Super league. This is going to be nasty
 
The NFL merged with the AFL and it didn't ruin American football. The NBA merged with the ABA and it didn't ruin basketball. The National League and American League started playing interleague games and it didn't ruin baseball.

It seems absurd that some of the best players in the world might go their entire careers without facing each other. I get why traveling fans would be dismayed because it's ruining a culture built up for a century... but just in terms of the football it seems silly that the best aren't always playing the best.
 
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