European Super League
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
As much as I oppose this move, after everything settle down, many fans will be back supporting their respective clubs.
Imagine they can watch on weekly basic entertaining games eg. Man Utd vs Barca, Man Utd vs Real Madrid, Man Utd vs Juventus, Man Utd vs Liverpool and etc while also competing in EPL (if FA didn't ban them).
It will be much more interesting than the system now in Champions League. But this will essentially kill European football.
Imagine they can watch on weekly basic entertaining games eg. Man Utd vs Barca, Man Utd vs Real Madrid, Man Utd vs Juventus, Man Utd vs Liverpool and etc while also competing in EPL (if FA didn't ban them).
It will be much more interesting than the system now in Champions League. But this will essentially kill European football.
Loudest voices are never the majority when it comes to consumption and leisure. They will sign up for the streams, they will will pile into the stadia when they reopen and there will be new generations of fans replacing the old if they defect, which they mostly won't because it's still the same game, only with the best teams.
People do not care about the smaller teams. They are not the bedrock as some would like to believe. They're just dressing to sell the main dish.
Arsenal (a 'legacy' club) are closer to the relegation spots than they are to the top of the table, so no?
If attendances drop significantly, the franchise will be moved to Tokyo.
You should put your money where your mouth is and get shorting it if you truely believe that
I bet AIG and Merrill Lynch thought the same. Wrong thread for this, but JPM's record of risk avoidance is not infallible.
People will say they will never watch it, but I'm sure with all that star power, fans and most importantly marketing budget, ESL will be something big.
Eventually many will.
When some fans start watching and talking and all news channels and papers who are well paid by them constantly throw scores, highlights and news, when apps on the phones start pushing notifications/ads about the event, people will eventually want to check it out and adjust to the new reality.
Well that's the problem... after a few seasons of watching United repeatedly play Barca or Juve it gets boring quickly.
Too much of anything is bad they say.
Yeah exactly. People on here and Twitter arent the majority, or anywhere close to it. They are just the most engaged.
There is no doubt ESL most likely will be a better and more entertaining product than the CL (until you reach later knockout stages) because group stages are a complete borefest and the new format will make it even worse. If you are a supporter of one of those clubs that will participate in ESL and you don't care about the rest, you will definitely be able to enjoy more high quality football and be happy about it. But if you look at the bigger picture, there will be a massive problem with national leagues. Now teams have goals to finish in TOP 4, TOP 6 or whatever to get into Europe for that extra money. To do so you have to invest into the squad. What happens when the ESL becomes a real thing? Teams that are not fighting for the title will stop giving a shite about the league in January as it doesn't matter where you finish, 2nd or 12th and most likely rotate teams because ESL will be a priority with more money involved there. The quality of EPL will inevitably go down as it will very likely become a secondary trophy. The gap between the rich and the rest will become bigger than ever and it's definitely not healthy for football.
It was inevitable to happen because FIFA/UEFA are blatantly corrupt failures and I think many people would support a new competition if it had a proper promotion/relegation system in place, so basically any club would be able to join if they do well. As it stands, it completely kills the need to be competitive, you can be absolutely useless like Arsenal and still rake in your £300m by participating. Absolute joke.
Totally. We and the largely the Glazers should held accountable for this farce. I understand wanting bigger slice of the pie but to completely bastardise the sport we love is a fecking step too far.
I think China makes more sense commercially
I don’t think the fans organisations of Liverpool putting banners up outside their ground or the other fans organisations of teams are off the caf
Based on what?
Blast from the bloody pastI think most of the outrage is pointless. There is one way to boycott this, and if fans of football despise the idea, the idea will fail. This all came because of UEFA bs to dilute UCL quality with teams that are not even in Europe. Feedback from biggest teams was not accepted and now they formed this thing. Super League will not succeed just with casual fans watching it/supporting it.
There is more to this than just biggest teams going for a money grab. Let's not be naive.
There is more to this than just biggest teams going for a money grab. Let's not be naive.
Ohhhh what can I say to make the fans think I love them and understand them today? This little routine of his gets very boring very quickly. You chose to move to PSG mate, there’s no moral high ground.
Just without us legacy fans.
Based on the Premier League having to agree for any of its members to be able to play in another competition.
How much would the EPL expect to lose in such situation?
I was ranting about this yesterday but I feel less concerned that this will happen having seen the actual announced plans, the whole thing looks fecking amateurish. They have a preferred start date but it's flexible, they seem to have no plan for what the criteria for these 5 invitees would be, the 3 additional "founding" members are going to be less glamorous clubs then was being mentioned before (i.e. no Bayern Munich), they've tacked on some half-arsed thoughts about the women's game and the whole branding is absolutely shit.
Do you think it would make any difference to Liverpool if 50,000 fans boycotted all games? No of course not. There would be 50,000 to fill their space in a second...
No clearly we could get relegated, but perhaps more to the point it's very easy to drop out of the top 4 and drop out of the CL. This super league idea by-passes that idea, the fact is you dont really have to be competitive in it you will still get the money and if we are getting the money however we perform you think the glazers will dip into there pockets much for new players? I doubt it why would they? We could finish bottom of the super league but we would still be in it the next season and still get the obscene amount of money from it.
They have designed there own cash cow that they can milk whenever and however they want without having to invest a huge amount every year to stay competitive. Absolute scandal.
No it isn't.
Watching United in 10th play Inter in 12th with neither team able to be relegated or win anything doesn't sound terribly exciting to me. And you will VERY quickly see matches like that, games against Spurs, Arsenal, Athletico etc. lose their glamour and be the kind of games fans skip.
When City have won this thing for 5 seasons in a row at least we can say we're part of the spectacle though yeah.
When City have won this thing for 5 seasons in a row at least we can say we're part of the spectacle though yeah.
They cannot do that, they don´t have the authority apparently.
Many lawyers have shown examples of federations trying to ban players and others from participating in unrecognized competitions.
You could bet your ass that these clubs have looked into each scenario.
Many lawyers have shown examples of federations trying to ban players and others from participating in unrecognized competitions.
You could bet your ass that these clubs have looked into each scenario.
because we're all bored of watching united play pretty much the same teams in the league every year right?
It's greatly in the PL's interest to keep the 6 big teams.
they still manage to clean their image and eventually get into the position of making sure they would have a lots of future favours (and loosing a lot of money in the process).Yeah, daft argument.
"So did you watch Champions league last night? West Ham vs Sevilla, good game! Antonio is the best player in the world!"
"Nope, last night I watched United vs Real Madrid, Mbappe scored a hattrick for us. You should try watch it."
Man City fans are so livid about this they’ve started protesting by not turning up to games 10 years ago. Well ahead of the curve, those lot.
Joint statement from Spirit of Shankly and other supporter groups representing the Big Six
Twitter Seriously, how spurs get in?1 day in and I am still baffled.
Seriously, how spurs get in?1 day in and I am still baffled.like there's never any dead rubbers in the current format? how about United needing to win their last few group games to make it to the knock out stages? that will just be dull, eh?