He never seems to learn, has most of the ball with not 1 short on target, he will be gone at the end of the season.
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
- Status
Couldn't the same be said for tuchel but he ain't doing too bad at Chelsea. PSG is a bit of a poison chalice with the pre madonna characters in the dressing room, it's a club that is controlled by player powerBecause what Levy really wants is a manager back who has almost proven he also can't do it at a club that's expected to walk the league, with almost unlimited resources, and arguably two of the regular Ballon D'or nominees in attack.
A bit like taking your mrs back after you leave her for being frigid once another bloke confirms it for you
The on-pitch display last night suggested to me that he's not evolved, and nothing would change. He has a least some legacy intact, and a return would risk it.
Not really - Tuchel hasn't "gone back" to Chelsea, and he at least won a heft of trophies at PSG and reached a final.
The jury is still out at Chelsea though - the first 6 months don't really imply what the period following that will be.
Not one shot on target, 56% of the ball, pass accuracy at 91%, loses 2-0 its all very similar.
I think he will be gone at the end of the season, 2 domestic cups simply isn't good enough for that team, he has the worst record out of any of their last 4 managers.
I think he will be gone at the end of the season, 2 domestic cups simply isn't good enough for that team, he has the worst record out of any of their last 4 managers.
There is no real shame though in going out of the champions league to this man city team that have looked like the best side in Europe for about 5 or 6 months now, I'm not even confident that madrid under a proven great manager like zidane can stop them if they get to the final.
As for the league, tuchel was doing just as bad and left psg playing catch up when he left. Also spurs are hardly in position of being able to cherry pick the best managers to come to their club.
It depends on the how, though. There's losing to this City side (like Ryan Mason) in a final, and there's going out with a whimper and barely a shot on target over two legs, with one of the best attacking lines out there.
Not really relevant though is it? He was crap before he was sacked, and still seems to be the same one now. It's not hugely different to the argument against Mourinho these days.
Clubs are better off trying something new, rather than re-flogging a dead donkey.
Its silly to comment on another manager?
But its totally understandable when all you do it criticise the Manutd Manager?
Does he fancy a return to Spurs? 
It’s quite telling that even after the shambles under Jose, Spurs fans (on here) don’t seem to want Poch back.
If he doesn’t win L1, I’m pretty sure PSG fans and board would be a bit anxious about giving him next season, seeing as he doesn’t have a history of winning anything at all. He certainly doesn’t look like he has improved the team at his disposal in any way whatsoever during his half-season so far. Questions were already being asked by pundits on French media last night.
If he doesn’t win L1, I’m pretty sure PSG fans and board would be a bit anxious about giving him next season, seeing as he doesn’t have a history of winning anything at all. He certainly doesn’t look like he has improved the team at his disposal in any way whatsoever during his half-season so far. Questions were already being asked by pundits on French media last night.
I think he's a good manager but maybe the PSG job wasn't the best gig for him. In saying that, he was never someone I really fancied to replace Ole. I still have a-lot of doubts about him and I'm not really a fan of his football.
The thing is that PSG needs to rebuild, they do not have a particularly strong team, they have to replace key players that left last summer, Mbappé is likely gone in the next 24 months and Di Maria who was arguably their best performer in the last 2-3 years is now 33 years old and steeply declined this season. If you consider PSG's mid term prospect, someone like Pochettino could be a perfect fit.
Whenever I watch PSG it's as if they don't really have any serious tactical approach. They've got some brilliant indilividial players, like Neymar, Mbappe, Marquinhos etc but they don't look like a collective where every player knows his role and they don't seem to have any flexibility that's necessary to adapt when you play another top quality side. They must be so used to dominating opponents in their domestic league, when they face a well organized top class outfit like City it comes as a shock that their usual routine of blowing away opposition isn't working.
If you watch how City scored their goals last night, it wasn't just because they have top players with skills, it was a team effort, a perfect execution of Pep's training methods. With the exception of the first 45 minutes in Paris, City were largely in control of the tie and the difference in the levels of tactical preparation was obvious. Pep basically taught Poch a lesson.
If you watch how City scored their goals last night, it wasn't just because they have top players with skills, it was a team effort, a perfect execution of Pep's training methods. With the exception of the first 45 minutes in Paris, City were largely in control of the tie and the difference in the levels of tactical preparation was obvious. Pep basically taught Poch a lesson.
When Zidane came back to Real Madrid after they sacked Lopetegui and Solari, they did not improve that season. He won the league the next season and is competing for the league and the CL this season. We also know that Tuchel did badly with this PSG during this season and is doing better with Chelsea.
Sometimes a club is in a dynamic that no one's going to get them out.
I don't think it needs further explanation personally
No it's silly to write off a manager for losing to Man City after 4 months in charge, similarly, its silly to come in here and heap praise when he knocked out Barca and Bayern (at the expense of Ole).
It has become a silly thread of point-scoring between Ole fans and Poch fans (which swings depending on the latest result), rather than one which is actually about Poch and evaluating/critiquing his management.
@Zlatan 7 guess you have your answer after all
One question that I have about Pochettino's decisions is why does he play Verratti as a 10 when Verratti is notoriously not an attacking threat and significantly more influential as a deep lying playmaker. It's even more baffling when I really don't rate any of Gueye, Paredes and Herrera.
Fans of managers? Most people are fans of teams. Then There’s the extreme few that absolutely worship certain managers or even just use that manager to shit on their own. Shame those people were not so vocal at the moment discussing pochs wonders and where they were last night, maybe then we’d have a discussion
Found it baffling that he went with Herrera as the most advanced midfielder last night instead of Draxler personally. Also not yanking Icardi at halftime when he was absolutely useless was pretty cowardly.
Not how this thread reads
Back to business
(picture stolen from a PSG football forum because they know the reputation of the French league in some places)
(picture stolen from a PSG football forum because they know the reputation of the French league in some places)
Thats what I keep saying their midfield is Europa league levels. Veratti is a good player but not so good that he could carry Gueye, Paredes, Herrera and Draxler. Then a decent cb in a kimpepe and a good one in Marquinhos the full backs are the same level as the midfielders. They are not poor footballers but you would want them surrounded by other capable players. Instead you have about 4/5 of this lot starting against man city.
Back to business
(picture stolen from a PSG football forum because they know the reputation of the French league in some places)
That's greatBack to business
(picture stolen from a PSG football forum because they know the reputation of the French league in some places)
I don't particularly believe in his ability to.manage the egos of global stars and get them to buy in. That's far more important at a club like PSG where Neymar, Mbappe, etc. rule the roost.
It's an element of Ole's management that I think he really doesn't get enough credit for. His man management of Pogba has been incredible throughout several tricky periods.
This isn't to say that Ole would be more successful than Poch has been at PSG since arriving, just that I think in some ways Ole was suited for the United job that I haven't seen from Poch yet.
He did a great job at Spurs, no doubt, but that was with a younger, hungrier team. When those players got a little older, didn't have the same energy to press constantly and maybe in the case of Alli, bought into their own stardom, he wasn't able to extract the same performances from them.
I think the hardest thing with picking a manager is evaluating past success, and judging how much the unique conditions during that period were relevant to that success. And also it's difficult to know for sure if that's replicable at a different club on totally different circumstances.
Either way I think Poch is definitely a good manager, but I'd say Ole has shown more big game tactical nous than him. Also the PSG job seems a very poor fit considering what I believe are Poch's strengths unless he's allowed to cull the squad and build around a more youthful core of players.
It's an element of Ole's management that I think he really doesn't get enough credit for. His man management of Pogba has been incredible throughout several tricky periods.
This isn't to say that Ole would be more successful than Poch has been at PSG since arriving, just that I think in some ways Ole was suited for the United job that I haven't seen from Poch yet.
He did a great job at Spurs, no doubt, but that was with a younger, hungrier team. When those players got a little older, didn't have the same energy to press constantly and maybe in the case of Alli, bought into their own stardom, he wasn't able to extract the same performances from them.
I think the hardest thing with picking a manager is evaluating past success, and judging how much the unique conditions during that period were relevant to that success. And also it's difficult to know for sure if that's replicable at a different club on totally different circumstances.
Either way I think Poch is definitely a good manager, but I'd say Ole has shown more big game tactical nous than him. Also the PSG job seems a very poor fit considering what I believe are Poch's strengths unless he's allowed to cull the squad and build around a more youthful core of players.
After Lille overcoming their biggest remaining obstacle last night, the great Poch finds himself in a position where he not only needs to win his remaining three games but also relies on either 13th or 14th place to take points off Lille.
Last team to tip PSG to the title (Monaco 16/17) scored 100+ goals, went 18-2-0 in their final 20 games and ended on 95 points. If you’re PSG and get beaten by a team like that you can only applaud them. With all due respect to Lille they’re nowhere close to that. They’ve only scored 60+ and have been dropping points frequently. Not only that but in a summer where Lille picked up Yilmaz for free (a guy at the end of his career who never had played outside of Turkey), PSG spent 50m on Icardi. This has been a colossal feck up by PSG.
How on earth did it come to this for Poch?
Last team to tip PSG to the title (Monaco 16/17) scored 100+ goals, went 18-2-0 in their final 20 games and ended on 95 points. If you’re PSG and get beaten by a team like that you can only applaud them. With all due respect to Lille they’re nowhere close to that. They’ve only scored 60+ and have been dropping points frequently. Not only that but in a summer where Lille picked up Yilmaz for free (a guy at the end of his career who never had played outside of Turkey), PSG spent 50m on Icardi. This has been a colossal feck up by PSG.
How on earth did it come to this for Poch?
Why do people keep acting as if Pochettino managed them for the entire season and half PSG's results occurred before his arrival?
They have unlimited funds. Does anyone know why they don't do marquee signings anymore? Gueye, Pareses, Danilo, Raphina, Kean very underwhelming for a team with unlimited funds
I agree this isn’t on all Pochettino but just wondering is there a Tuchel v Pochettino table lying around somewhere? It would be interesting to see the comparison between the two and exactly where this title was lost for PSG (as much as I respect what Lille are doing, there’s no denying that PSG lost this title more than Lille won it, IMO).
No doubt about it, however, it doesn’t bode well for Tuchel and Pochettino to be associated with this debacle, no matter which of their tenures caused the most damage to their season.
They don't have unlimited funds and never spent like they did, even when you look at their initial key purchases outside of Cavani their signings were reasonable. Mbappé and Neymar signings were out of character and with FFP, they had to balance the book by selling academy players.
Tuchel had managed 17 league games 11 wins, 4 losses and 2 draws. Pochettino has 13 wins, 4 losses and 1 draw.
I think Tuchel had a better win percentage tha what Poch has currently.
I think it was posted earlier in the thread.
@JPRouve is suggesting different, mate...
Still, there’s no much in it. Pochettino has managed one game more and has two extra wins and one less draw. So you could say for an exact 17-game comparison, Pochettino turned one of Tuchel’s draws into a win. Not much in the difference there and you’d expect a better return for changing managers mid-season.
Because they are 3rd in the table if the league started when he was coming to PSG?
PSG is expected to win the league whoever the manager is, Neymar+Mbappe are worth more than entire Lille who only have 79 points (the worst ppg in europe top leagues).
Most likely for FFP reasons; even Danilo was signed on a loan.
Still nothing from @Amadaeus? Wonder why...
Doing the Panini Euro 2020 album last night, I got asked where Yilmaz currently plays. Great story.
What are the odds on Poch being the next Spurs manager?
What are the odds on Poch being the next Spurs manager?
Simliar records and the PSG owners chose to sack Tuchel and they did it at Christmas and after a 4-0 win.
I think that tells us these are ruthless owners at PSG and for Poch to manage PSG again next season he will likely have to nick this league title off Lille.
He has been there over half the season. They were a point behind Lille at that stage and might well end up a point behind them.
United and City were bottom half and couldn’t buy a win until mid November. Bayern also started poorly. Teams that were busy playing in Europe while preparing for the new season all had a rough start to the season. Those teams gradually picked themselves up though while PSG, despite a managerial change, are almost mirroring their first half to the season.
Where has the new manager bounce been? I watch Tuchel and he has solidified Chelsea. I watch PSG and I don’t see any improvement at all. They look like conceding every time the opponent puts pressure on them. I don't see what their tactics are other than pass it to Di Maria, Neymar and Mbappe and hope they manage to outscore the opponent.
- Status