He'll get sacked in a year after he pisses off every single one of his bosses 
Top, top coach though
Top, top coach though
Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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and then we will appoint another manager and do the same thing over again, as we usually doHopefully he wins the CL with Chelsea and then shit hits the fan after that and it’s downhill from there.
Wow, he's replaced Klopp as the Caf poster boy. For now.
Their DoF or whatever that position is there, really fecks these decisions up.
He'll get sacked in a year after he pisses off every single one of his bosses
Top, top coach though
Wonder what it is that makes him fall out with everyone. Tactically very good, will be interesting to see how he does in a full season. Right now you'd say he'll have Chelsea right in the mix.
I feel like I’ve read this book before where the new guy at Chelsea is rimjobbed by everyone then within 18 months he’s getting the severance package and being called a balding cnut fraud, rather than an eyebrow cnut fraud or a wigged cnut fraud like in previous years.
Because they generally hire the cream of the crop of coaches. I e Lampard needed years to instill his playing style.
If its the same story where he wins the double I'll take it all day.
He'll get sacked in a year after he pisses off every single one of his bosses
Top, top coach though
He'll be getting some serious backing this coming summer by the rumor's currently going around. I'd say he's earned the trust of Roman for a while
Can't see him getting sacked for anything other than performance unfortunately. As I said a few pages back, he isn't a difficult/weird personality like Jose, more like outspoken and direct, and the sports washers didn't like that.He'll get sacked in a year after he pisses off every single one of his bosses
Top, top coach though
Another great win for him.
Think we need to temper it a bit though, this was a City team that made 9 changes & missed a penalty to make it 2-0 & perhaps should have had another 1.
However, there's no doubting he'll start to get in Pep's head.
Think we need to temper it a bit though, this was a City team that made 9 changes & missed a penalty to make it 2-0 & perhaps should have had another 1.
However, there's no doubting he'll start to get in Pep's head.
First time we came from behind to win under him I think? Good time for it. Thing he could improve is telling medical staff to treat Christensen on the pitch long enough for Zouma to be ready. Luckily Ageuro did us a favour.
I know right, Aguero scores his pen and it's game over. Sterling gets the pen he should have in the second half and good chance City win.
Destiny is a b*tch
or the red he should have in the first half....
No, he is a genius, as Pochettino before him, but our own SAF was not a good tactician…caf standards I suppose…
I would just like to know why Tuchel was sacked in his 2 previous jobs, honest question, it never happened to SAF and Guardiola, the 2 genius I have seen on a football bench since I watch football.
Hope he didn't he blow his load by winning today.
3rd time's a charm?
3rd time's a charm?
Avram Grant, Di Matteo, these guys did the same and the latter won the CL. They’ve got a system in place at Chelsea, like other big clubs, where the ‘head coach’ is part of the managerial machinery rather than being the man on whom everything else is dependent.
We need to build a similar structure, otherwise we’ll always just start from scratch with every manager change.
I hope Pep overthinks the final now and just confuses his team with random team selections.
Aye like Frank Lampard. Bring him back.
Its like 2 league titles in 10 years buddy! Calm your horses! 1 league title since Jose left (seems like decades ago)
more like a stripper
Ok so they are fairly bloody good under Tuchel aren't they?
I'm a little worried for next season.
I'm a little worried for next season.
Few throwing little bit of praise for him and muppets just cant take it
every time it goes pete tong, we change it and usually win something at the end of it. Not bad!
All Grant did was babysit a great side to being runners ups and Di Mateo led them to the luckiest tournament win in history. If you recall their league form didn't improve at all.
Fell out with the board in both cases. At Dortmund he was angry they sold key players when he was reportedly told otherwise, and also there are reports that he got extremely pissed with the board for agreeing that the team should play in the CL the day after the bus attack.
At PSG seems to be over squad depth primarily - apparently he fell out with Leonardo because the latter has both pushed out the likes of Thiago Silva, Cavani, and Meunier whilst also selling bright youth prospects, resulting in an extremely top-heavy squad. Leonardo was also reportedly meddling in team selection and training, which led to conflict understandably.
Thanks mate
He’s done an unreal job there.
Leonardo is an immense tool to be fair. Back to Tuchel though, he's doing a good job but nothing extra-ordinary in my books. He has a ridiculous team and the only impressive feats are today & FA Cup wins against City. He's also shown to be cumbersome and passive against Leeds, Southampton, Brighton to name a few.
With the quality of players at his disposal, I expect nothing less than a title challenge next summer.
Anytime
I'm biased obviously but I think this is very harsh. Considering where the team was when he took over (9th and decidedly underdogs vs Atletico Madrid), to be where we are now is a ridiculous turnaround. Especially when the ridiculous schedule and limited training time are factored in - I've been a Tuchel stan for years now but even I wouldn't have dreamt he could have us where we are now given the external and unique challenges of this season.
Yes it's very clear that Lampard was hugely underachieving and that Tuchel has a very talented squad to work with - but the more or less overnight turnaround he's managed is absurd.
Are we beyond the new manager bounce yet? No idea how its clicked so well for him at CFC so quickly, even if he is allegedly a genius level coach.
I get where you're coming from, but by Tuchel's standard of management I would expect nothing less than a turnaround in Chelsea form, especially when you consider he can level easier with star players like Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Silva. I didn't have Chelsea as underdogs to Atletico either, I was expecting them to go through, and Real, well, they are utter shite.
Tuchel's impact reminds me of Conte (albeit midway through the season), he's played a system focusing on the secure defence first and one that is built on ruthlessness. It's an efficient way to make a quick impact and I think that's commendable. But there are certainly games where I think, really? He should be doing better with the fire power he has. I think my criticism of him (and why I didn't want him at United) is I don't find him as direct as he should be, which made him suffer against the much lesser teams in my previous post.
There's a lot made out of Tuchel because he's 1) beaten Pep twice and 2) in the CL final. But his CL final run isn't that impressive when you consider how epically shite Atletico and Real are. And he's beaten Pep which is great but City aren't unbeatable. We've done it and worn the t-shirt a few times but Ole won't get anywhere near the level of praise.
I'm not ruling him out by the way, I just want to see where he goes next season with this. He's got such a silly amount of firepower with Chelsea, its going to be interesting to see how they fare when we actually strengthen to our level and he competes alongside us + City/Liverpool. That's when his style will be really assessed, will he be direct enough against the lower sides? Or will his quick possession based football fall short.
Ah I see! I think your position is perfectly reasonable even if we disagree a bit. Of the matches you mentioned, I'd agree that the Southampton match was quite poor but Tuchel was still assessing the players at that point - case in point Abraham starting. The Leeds game was a bit mad all things considered and for me we were a bit unlucky to not win; would have a hard time holding that up as a match where Tuchel got it completely wrong personally. And the Brighton game I'd argue should be completely written off given the circumstances around the game vis a vis the ESL - yes it was a lifeless lethargic performance but I don't think that can be held against Tuchel.
Re: the CL, I was absolutely pissing my pants during the Atleti tie given the small sample we had with Tuchel - think we were very comfortably underdogs there. Against Real I thought it was more like 55/45 in our favour given the underlying metrics and injuries.
Obviously I'm quite biased and I do think there have been some OTT takes - that said, I would say what he's managed to accomplish is quite remarkable and worthy of praise, especially considering the insane nature of the schedule.
So who did you want us to beat in the run in to the champions league final to make it impressive?.
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At PSG, Tuchel wanted Thiago Silva to have his contract renewed and insisted all over the season. Leonardo didn't make the necessary. Then Leonardo started to negotiate with the Brazilian defender after the champions League but it was too late. Also PSG wanted the players to reduce their salaries during the pandemic and according to some rumours Thiago Silva blocked this, which may have made Leonard bitter but that's just speculation in the news.
Tuchel then wanted a defender to replace Thiago Silva and was interested in rudiger. Thiago Silva hasn't been replaced and a central midfielder Danilo came. To make fun of Leonardo he decided to deploy Danilo as a central defender and also because he prefers marquinhos as a midfielder.
PSG lost several players like rabiot, meunier because end of contract... And failed to sign psg academy players their 1st professional contract like kouassi now at Bayern and he complained about it in the pressz criticizing the club, in other words Leonardo.
The assistant of tuchel made also odd interviews.
Tuchel was about to bench icardi during the whole season and did prefer for good reasons Kean. The issue is that Leonardo paid 50 millions for icardi and Kean is likely to return to Everton next season because there is no buy clause in his loan contract.
Also, in some way, tuchel started to irritate mbappe by replacing him during some games. The issue is the club needs mbappe to be happy in order to have a chance to renew his contract.
The case of Danilo is very emblematic of the tensions between the coach and Leonardo.
Just before being sacked I think he said in an interview that there were too much politics at psg which is a very political club.
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Leonardo is a total prick and i am not surprised he clashed with Tuchel. But the fault is not entirely his. After all Tuchel was not a Leonardo approved hiring. Actually it wasn't Antero Henrique's either.. Tuchel was directly appointed by the Sheikh of Quatar. PSG are a bit of a mess in their hierarchy of who and how is taking the important decisions and this reflects very clearly on the squad.
World class coach, will be challenging for the title next year, if he wins the Champions League this year just a few months after arriving with a team that was fumbling mid table that will be unreal.
PSG, Bayern or City. With the squad Chelsea have, that should be their relative level. They were just fortunate to be on the other side, so it's now just a 90 minute takes all against City.