City winning it by far. I'll be a Chelsea fan for one match only next week.
Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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Tuchel job done, Pretty disgusting way to finish 4th though.... this Chelsea side lacks character in the key moments. In the Leicester league game we showed fight at least (after they trashed our flag in cup final).
Had to score in the first 30 odd minutes today when we're on top. We need a goal scorer for next season but most importantly we need a few more outfield players who have that mentality to get us through in clutch games. If Bale is interested in playing football rather than golf next year could be an option for us. We can quote Xg etc all we want, but we're not getting it done on the pitch enough.
Chances of us getting creamed by City in the CL final are high. Only positive is maybe the hugely reduced expectations now could help take pressure off the players.
Had to score in the first 30 odd minutes today when we're on top. We need a goal scorer for next season but most importantly we need a few more outfield players who have that mentality to get us through in clutch games. If Bale is interested in playing football rather than golf next year could be an option for us. We can quote Xg etc all we want, but we're not getting it done on the pitch enough.
Chances of us getting creamed by City in the CL final are high. Only positive is maybe the hugely reduced expectations now could help take pressure off the players.
Are you brain dead ? He took them from 10th to 4th and 2 finals. Is that not doing anything
Ha ha what. You've just got the CL by default and you're on a United forum giving it the big one.
Embarrassing.
That said let's hope you win the CL.
he can cement his legacy as Roberto Di Matteo 2.0 next week. the only question in my mind is do the Chelsea players turn on him next year, or the season after that.
bummed Chelsea made CL next season. This is such a massively unlikeable team, I want only misery for them.
I never said that. Some people love to latch on to that 200m number with no context. When it is an amount over two transfer windows, it is a nothing amount. In todays world of massive TV revenues, teams are going to spend or get left behind.
As far as Tuchel, he said himself that Chelsea have the squad he needs. It is rather standard to judge a manager over a season that he has input on how to set up his team. Tuchel bailed out our season from 9th to 4th and an FA and UCL final. Perhaps as a rival fan you blow that off, but I see it as a serious improvement over where we heading under Lampard.
Isnt it a bit depressing to see 8 defensive minded players in the starting XI when you spent over £200 mill on attackers and only one of them starts? I dont think you win the league anytime soon playing safe like that.
I dont like Azpi playing RWB, much rather James or CHO played out there. I dont see much wrong in playing 3 at the back with 2 more defensive types infront, we still create alot of chances. I mean goals change games, if we took our chances and went 1-0 ahead i think we would win alot of games. The problem is we dont take our chances.
I haven't blown anything off, I think he's done a fantastic job, if a bit too steady at times.
I just think it's a bit churlish to downplay the investment that has gone into this team. £200m in one transfer window is a lot. Tuchel has had a lot to work with.
Try actually watching us play. We press high up the pitch and make plenty of chances. Most chances of any team since he come in. He can't put the ball in the back of the net for them.
Pipe down and read.
I was asking the question of someone else, who stated that he needs his own team...
It seems the new manager bounce has expired.
They can dominate games with possession, but their forward line isn't enough of a threat.
Pulisic (injury-prone and hasn't been great this season), Ziyech (I don't remember him doing anything), Havertz (Forgettable), Giroud (Can score every so often, but never prolific), Werner (Probably the best, but that pretty much shows the state of their attack - the guy has 15 disallowed goals).
I know they conceded today, but they had enough possession to not be in that position in the first place.
They need a new striker and a new right-winger at the very least.
Pulisic (injury-prone and hasn't been great this season), Ziyech (I don't remember him doing anything), Havertz (Forgettable), Giroud (Can score every so often, but never prolific), Werner (Probably the best, but that pretty much shows the state of their attack - the guy has 15 disallowed goals).
I know they conceded today, but they had enough possession to not be in that position in the first place.
They need a new striker and a new right-winger at the very least.
That is the context I was speaking of. It really is not 200m over one window. With the transfer ban and not being able to sign anyone, it is 200m over two transfer windows, which is pretty average for a top 4 club.
What about the 60+ on Pulisic, 80+ on Kepa, 40+ Kovacic, etc
The club has spent an absolute fortune
Look at what United has spent and what Chelsea have spent in the last 10 years and let me know.
Kepa was signed by Sarri in 2018.
Let you know what?
No I know. But to say he's not got a team to work with given the money in is daft. Especially when you consider how you operate with signing players. The manager shouldn't make much difference.
Both our teams and Man City are spending about the same to stay relevant.
Nobody has made that statement.
We drastically need to improve in front of goal. There's no getting away from that. It's nowhere near good enough to be profligate to that extent. We should really have paid for it with Europa League football but we got lucky.
We conceded a penalty and a kind of a flukey goal. Villa played well but I never felt they were particular threatening, but we were somehow 2-0 down despite defending really well. We were really solid again and I'm happy enough with that performance. I think if we play the same game 10 times we probably win it 8 times. I said something similar after the Arsenal game so clearly it's a reoccurring problem for us.
Anyway. Delighted to squeeze over the line. Nothing too remarkable in the end. We did just enough. We need to be better in the scoring department by a lot next season.
It's hard to make excuses about signings when we have one of the most bloated squad in Europe.
Overall I think Tuchel has done an excellent job considering the way our season looked to be heading at one point. He'll have the chance to make it a legendary season next weekend. If we don't win the final, then he'll have just turned a potentially disastrous season into a pretty OK season.
I think they'll lose the CL final and it'll be a shitty end to the season overall.
However with the right market they'll be tough challengers for the league next season.
Next season will be really tough with City, us, Chelsea and Liverpool. I expect all of these teams to be much better next season.
However with the right market they'll be tough challengers for the league next season.
Next season will be really tough with City, us, Chelsea and Liverpool. I expect all of these teams to be much better next season.
They weren't awful in the last games but they really lack calm and maybe a bit of luck in front of goal.
Excellent is over cooked. He's had some big wins, and some poor results, WBA/Southampton/Leeds/Brighton/Villa today. That's quite a few dropped points to consider anything "excellent".
Of course, if he wins the CL he deserves full praise for doing so. Can't take anything from him if he beats City in the final.
I was really hoping they’d finish 5th today. That way it would give them even more motivation to win the CL if they wanted to be in it next season.
Obviously I'm taking the FA Cup and the Champions League performances into consideration too. Overall, to me, he's been excellent.
It's the Champions League final mate. No extra motivation required.
If we lose next week, it wont be because we lack motivation!
He lost the FA Cup final. I mean even we beat Liverpool in the FA cup but we aren't looking back on the campaign as a green tick for Ole.
Why are people hyping his season so far?
So what if he took over when Chelsea were 9th, they were only 7 points behind 4th spot. Let's not act like Tuchel has done some miracle to get into the top 4. He relied on Rodgers being a shitebag and going defensive with 30 minutes to go today.
Also, Chelsea were very fortunate they got to play against a City reserve side and snatched 2 extra points late on which has secured a top 4 spot, clear penalty denied for City and the Aguero penalty miss. He has won 11/19 league games, it's really not THAT impressive and it's also very valid to say he has been extremely lucky. Scrapped into top 4 and had to rely on other sides collapsing like Spurs and Leicester.
Also imagine actually going on about being in a cup final when you lost it to a Leicester side with many injuries.
As for the CL, he should be thankful the VAR ref is a shambles, as Atletico would have knocked them out if the penalty and red card was given.
That being said if Chelsea win next week, that would turn into a very good season overall, nobody can deny that.
So what if he took over when Chelsea were 9th, they were only 7 points behind 4th spot. Let's not act like Tuchel has done some miracle to get into the top 4. He relied on Rodgers being a shitebag and going defensive with 30 minutes to go today.
Also, Chelsea were very fortunate they got to play against a City reserve side and snatched 2 extra points late on which has secured a top 4 spot, clear penalty denied for City and the Aguero penalty miss. He has won 11/19 league games, it's really not THAT impressive and it's also very valid to say he has been extremely lucky. Scrapped into top 4 and had to rely on other sides collapsing like Spurs and Leicester.
Also imagine actually going on about being in a cup final when you lost it to a Leicester side with many injuries.
As for the CL, he should be thankful the VAR ref is a shambles, as Atletico would have knocked them out if the penalty and red card was given.
That being said if Chelsea win next week, that would turn into a very good season overall, nobody can deny that.
The context matters though. He took over a team low in confidence, losing games at an alarming rate, skidding down the table. We were 9th and likely looking at a last 16 exit on Europe. It's fine if you don't agree tbh.
Yep, I think he'll be out of a job before the end of next season. Just like Conte, or numerous other managers were at Chelsea.So in essence, you believe Tuchel will be fired next season after taking them from 9th to fourth and reaching the UCL and FA cup final. Impressive
Roman cares only about trophies, if Tuchel doesn't win one or is not in contention for the CL and PL next season till the very end, he will out, no doubt.So in essence, you believe Tuchel will be fired next season after taking them from 9th to fourth and reaching the UCL and FA cup final. Impressive
As if you've not sacked managers who've done way moreIf he loses the CL final he's at par. If he wins it then you have to give him credit.
Either way though it's not rave worthlessness in my eyes. Just the difference between a novice manager who had lost the dressing room to one who is capable and experienced.
Either way though it's not rave worthlessness in my eyes. Just the difference between a novice manager who had lost the dressing room to one who is capable and experienced.
He took over a side with immense quality, and a new manager bounce is certainly a factor too, which helps in cups particularly.
He is obviously a good manager so I think there's little we disagree on. Just I wouldn't go so far as to say his turnaround was excellent, just yet.
Oh give over, Haaland improves any team, especially one that currently doesn't have a single on form striker.
There are 2 certainties in life. Death and you running into this thread, cock in hand, after a Chelsea loss.